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  1. 3 hours ago, Hilltopper said:

    Somebody else posted this on Facebook. I agree with all.the conclusions.

     

    Akron Football: When Exposure Becomes an Auction Block

    For decades, the Mid-American Conference (MAC) built its football brand on one thing: exposure. Midweek “MACtion” meant that on Tuesday and Wednesday nights in November, when most of college football was idle, the MAC had the national stage. Even if stadiums were half empty, Akron, Kent State, and their peers could say: “We’re on ESPN.”

    That pitch worked for a while. Players got national airtime, coaches got recruiting leverage, and universities got their names mentioned on broadcasts that reached millions of households.

    But in the Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) era, exposure has flipped from asset to liability.

    Exposure, Then and Now

    Before 2021, a Tuesday night breakout could put a MAC athlete on the NFL radar. Coaches could sell recruits on the guarantee of national TV games. For universities like Akron, whose football profile lagged far behind Ohio State, the ESPN window was a rare equalizer.

    Now? That same highlight package on ESPN is an advertisement for Power 4 programs to swoop in and recruit Akron’s best players away—with six-figure NIL packages.

    The math is brutal:
     • MAC collectives average roughly $0.5 million annually. Akron’s is closer to $341,000.¹
     • Power 4 schools now routinely spend millions per year per athlete.
     • A MAC player who shines on national TV is no longer a point of pride—it’s a scouting reel for someone else’s roster.

    Exposure without the financial power to retain talent just accelerates the talent drain.

    The Optics Problem

    Even when players shine, the pictures ESPN broadcasts are damaging. Attendance across the MAC collapses for midweek games: Saturday contests averaged 16,738 fans in 2018, while midweek games averaged just 12,255—a 27% drop.²

    At Akron, the numbers are even worse. In 2022, fewer than 3,000 fans attended a sunny, 80-degree home game against Miami (OH). For context, in 2005—a Thanksgiving morning blizzard game with –6° wind chill—more than 7,000 showed up.

    What ESPN cameras show now isn’t “passionate fans” or “hidden gems.” It’s empty stands, lifeless atmospheres, and lopsided scores from overloaded buy games. That hurts Akron’s brand far more than it helps.

    The Enrollment Squeeze

    Akron’s enrollment collapse compounds the problem. In 2011, the university had 25,190 students.³ By 2024, it had dropped nearly 40% to 14,813.⁴

    That decline affects everything: tuition revenue, student fees that help fund athletics, and the size of the potential fan base. With fewer students and shrinking resources, Akron can’t afford to prop up an FBS football program at the level the system demands.

    A Conference in Decline

    The larger MAC picture isn’t rosy either. The league’s national perception has declined sharply since the early 2000s, when it produced NFL names like Ben Roethlisberger, Julian Edelman, Charlie Frye, and Josh Cribbs. In the past 20 years, the quarterback output has been thin:
     • Keith Wenning (Ball State, 2014) — limited to practice squads
     • Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan, 2010) — never started in an NFL game
     • Kurtis Rourke (Ohio → Indiana, 2025) — drafted but unproven

    The league that once marketed itself as a talent incubator now serves as a farm system for wealthier schools.

    The Core Problem: Exposure Without Retention

    For Akron, the ESPN window no longer sells. National visibility doesn’t build fan support, it doesn’t stabilize enrollment, and it doesn’t retain talent.

    Instead, it broadcasts the program’s weakness: low crowds, heavy losses, and players destined to leave once they succeed. The very tool meant to elevate the MAC now underscores its irrelevance.

    Exposure without retention is brand erosion.

    The Path Forward

    Akron faces a stark choice. Staying in the FBS MAC means continuing to cash the occasional $1 million “buy game” check and enjoying ESPN visibility—while enduring blowout losses, talent drain, and empty seats. Dropping to the FCS would lower costs and restore competitive balance, but at the expense of national profile and big payouts.

    Neither option is glamorous. But pretending that exposure alone is still a benefit in 2025 is self-deception. The NIL era has changed the rules. Without new resources or a strategic reset, Akron’s midweek ESPN appearances don’t build the brand—they auction it off.

    Sources
     1. NIL reporting: MAC collectives average ~$536,000 annually; Akron’s closer to $341,000.
     2. The Ringer: 2018 MAC attendance — 16,738 (Saturday) vs. 12,255 (midweek), –26.8%.
     3. University of Akron Institutional Research: enrollment peaked at ~25,190 in 2011.
     4. Ideastream: Akron’s fall 2024 enrollment at 14,813.

    Everyone knows who wrote it. I wish he would have put it citations for all of my ideas I have been posting for years. I've been saying most of this for years. 

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  2. Ya, id rather think about food and the possibility of some.of you being able to go to a game that starts on a day and time that is convenient for you to attend. It's going to be 80 degrees. Get out of your freaking house. The lawn can wait another week. 

     

    Rent a room and stay the night after going to a great steakhouse. You won't regret it. 

     

    https://mancyssteakhouse.com/#

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  3. 14 hours ago, MangoZip said:

    Wow, Toledo -21.5

    I wish the Zips could start out a season 2-2 and fans describe us as struggling. 

     

    Toledo plays extremely well at home.  They blew out Morgan State and handled a good WKU program. 

     

    They have a relatively close loss at Kentucky and a one point loss on the road at Western, who always plays well at home. 

     

    Take the Rockets giving the points. If you don't have much to do Saturday, go to the game if you are close enough. Toledo is a great setting for a college football game. It's going to be 80 degrees there on Saturday. Enjoy it while it lasts. 

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  4. 29 minutes ago, kreed5120 said:

     

    My complaint with the transfer portal is that it's open during the CFP. They should move the window to early February IMO. Trimming it down to 1 window was a big improvement.

     

    I feel a little bit more study needs to be done to determine proper roster size. NFL teams have roster size of 53, but they have an additional 17 player taxi squad, who they have on hand to step in when needed. Plus they can sign FA mid-season. An NFL team uses much more than 53 individual players over the course of the season when you factor in injuries. I would think 70-75 players would be adequate and accomplish some of the goals you stated.

    70 is probably a better number than my original. They could have 53 scholarships and 17 walk ons. 

     

    It wouldn't take much time. They could chart the number of plays per player on every roster. Some players may only play a handful of plays in a season. I believe those players are unnecessary to give scholarships. 

     

    A lot of NFL players are brought in n mid season to replace IR players or guys who aren't cutting it. Injuries are part of sports. Teams will need to deal with those problems with their available roster. Life isn't fair. 

  5. 9 hours ago, MangoZip said:

    This is a good step. Next step should be reducing scholarships to 65. College football is now a professional minor league. If 53 players per roster is good enough for the NFL, college can do the same thing. It will make coaches really think about who and who does not get a scholarship. One half of all kids in the TP never play football again. It will also accelerate them out of the sport and move them to things they can do on life where they can be more successful.  

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  6. 1 hour ago, Hilltopper said:

     John Groce has done an exceptional job at doing this and the results are evident. At a MAC level school you need someone who is willing to help sell the program to the potential donors.

    This interests me because he doesn't strike me as a sales type guy, but a gym rat kind of guy. It must have been hard at first because he wasn't really a "name" when he came to town. Imagine how easy it was for Sanders or George to do. Akron football needs to do at least one thing that would make life easier for them. 

  7. 2 hours ago, kreed5120 said:

     

    I wouldn't even know of a candidate, like Eddie George, who would both generate buzz and who would actually want to coach at Akron.

    I imagine a lot of Tennessee State fans said things like this over the years. At some point, someone decided to ignore the sad sacks and do something truly different. Why can't we get someone like that "someone" to work for us. What is our most recent marketing genius AD going to do that the last 10 didn't? He might be really bright and energetic, but I've already seen Band Day, etc.

     

    If Eddie George is too old and irrelevant for kids to remember and be drawn to, why are so many good transfers from respectable schools drawn to him?  The nightlife at Bowling Green?

  8. 2 hours ago, clarkwgriswold said:

     

    I'd be curious to see how Eddie George relates to the kids and gets the credibility.  I suspect the awards and rings are the key as they'd have no idea who he was coming through the door as he played before most of them were born.

     

    As for donors and NIL, I suspect JoMo is not the guy to work a room to whip up support from wealthy donors.  I've overused the comparison but we have a basketball coach who is that guy.

    I bet the coaches and players of the kids going to BG remember him. Heisman Trophy winners are hard to forget. He's Dieon Sanders without the flash and gold jacket (yet). Imagine the recruiting credibility he'll have if he gets a Hall of Fame induction in the next couple of years. Imagine if he is coaching at BG if it happens and the entire team is sitting in front of the stage while he gives his induction speech. It's not outside of the world of reality. 

     

    Kids want to win. Tennessee State won their conference for the first time since 1999 last year. He actually built a solid team over 4 years and BG was on solid footing when he took over. He has a win against Liberty already, which could prove to be hollow at seasons end, but a big name win already. 

     

    I'm guessing a lot of the moms and grandmas of the recruits are more than impressed with him. The fathers want to be him. The mother's want to jump in the sack with him. Good grief, he's married to a pop music star. 

     

    Is education important to you?  It is to him. He has a degree in Landscape Architecture from OSU and an MBA from Northwestern. 

     

    George's credibility is immediate and lasting. If Day ever leaves OSU, George is immediately one of the finalists for the job. 

     

    What else could he do that could make him more credible to kids? 

  9. 2 hours ago, ZippyDoo said:

    Kids are going to Akron for one of three reasons:

    a.) they have no other Division 1 offers

    b.) they believe that the program is so bad that they can come here get playing time early, get film and bounce in no more than two years to get paid

    c.) somehow Akron has the financial backing to entice them with money.

    Maybe there is another option. Maybe we could hire a coach with so much credibility with kids that they would be lining up to play for the Zips. 

     

    https://bgsufalcons.com/news/2025/7/8/bowling-green-football-lands-no-1-transfer-class-in-the-mac-per-247sports

  10. 1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said:

    I thought is would be interesting to compare the coaching staffs and budget between UAB and Akron. From what I can tell, UAB's football budget is roughly 11 million dollars...about double that of the Zips

     

    UAB has 24 football coaches and 18 support staff.

    Akron has 12 coaches and 6 support staff.

     

    And we only lost by 3 to them, on the road.

     

     

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    The first D1 team at Akron had 10 coaches. The only thing they have more today of is an extra DB coach and special teams coordinator. This is year 38 of complete mismanagement. 

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  11. 21 minutes ago, Lee Adams said:

    They don't correct problems when they present themselves.

    It's worse than this. In many cases, managers can't accurately define the problems, so they can't fix what is wrong. Look at it this way. The lack of money at Akron is a symptom of a larger problem (s). I am of the opinion that Akron does not do enough to benefit the athletes students alumni fans and general community around Akron. Those are five problems impacting a lot of people. The football program is a product to sell and only people can spend money. A person has to buy a ticket. A person has to authorize corporate sponsorship money. People have to authorize tax dollars being spent. Akron isn't doing enough to satisfy the needs of these people so no money is spent. 

     

    My biggest problem is this. I'm a guy living in the Carolinas and I really have no idea how to fix the problems. I have ideas, but I don't know enough to actually fix the problems. My worry is that the people who are supposed to know, don't know much more than I do. I'm also worried that they don't actually know how to go about finding the answers so they do the same things I've and over again. 

  12. 2 hours ago, exit322 said:

    Clearly we're waiting for Moorhead 's contract to expire so we can hire a 6-5 FCS coach whose school is glad to get rid of him.  That'll get excitement back to the program.

    We've been waiting a lot longer than that. 

     

    The question I have is this. Are the people managing the coach good at managing based upon the two criteria I was presented when I was younger?

     

    It seems to me that when there is coaching turnover, the response to it by upper management is almost always the same in college sports, although we didn't do this when hiring Joe. When there is turnover or a desire to make a change, the ADs reach in to their tired bad of tricks and call an overpriced coaching recruiting firm to do a search. That firm reaches into their tired bag of recycled hacks and pulls out some names. A new head coach is hired. This all sounds to me like a collosal and lazy waste of money. 

     

    Do any of the dummies who run athletic departments ever reach out to an organization like the NFL Players Association?  The NFL PA is in charge of managing retiree benefits so they are probably regularly in touch with former players. I would think the nflpa would want to help their members in this way. Here, I'll write the letter to the NFLPA for every AD in America since most are not even slightly this creative, and what I'm doing isn't all that creative to begin with. Here it goes. 

     

    Dear Mr. Reeves-Maybin,

     

    I am the Athletic Director at School X. School X has many active and retired members of your organization as former players. Included in this group are Chase Blackburn of the NY Giants Super Bowl winning team, Victory Green of the Jets and Patriots, and Hall of Famer Jason Taylor. Currently , I am conducting a search for a new Head Coach for our football program.and am looking for networking support.

     

    I believe former NFL players could provide great value to School X and the young men they would lead, and I would respectfully request that you make your retired members and their representatives aware of this great opportunity. The changing landscape of college football presents many possibilities for former professional players and if any of them are interested in talking with me, I'm interested in talking to them. 

     

    Below are links to the job description and application. 

     

    Link to job description. 

     

    Link to application. 

     

    If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me. My contact information is below. 

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Blah blah blah

     

    Then Akron could do something like posting the letter to social media and tagging the NFLPA along with the NFL itself and any other party of interest. 

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  13. 8 hours ago, ZippyDoo said:

    If the talent is not there it doesn't matter who the coach is. If the players are getting paid to go to other colleges why would they come to akron?

     

    bring in your young coach full of pee and vinegar maybe the best mind in coaching if he cannot bring in the talent it isn't going to matter at all.  

     

    as soon as the last game ended last year, instead of celebrating the players were immediately talking about how it was time to get paid and they were gone. that's the mentality of the college athletes with NIL now. There is no loyalty to the university it's show me the money. 

     

    Jomoe doesn't need the money, why stay if he didn't care? Especially since the majority of the posts in here say he can go elsewhere?  Maybe what he complains about aren't excuses it's him trying to point out what needs to change so they program can recruit the better talent and convince it to stay so they can build a program.

    This is a good post and paints a clear view of the reality. 

     

    We need two things badly. They are problems 1A and 1B. We need a coach who can both make it attractive for people to spend money on NIL and manage turnover in large numbers up front. A smart guy once told me about being a manager is that the two most important things to manage are safety and turnover. If you can't manage those, you can't manage. Same for college football coaches. 

     

    We don't need some child with a lot of energy but no experience. We don't need a money guy who has no experience in dealing with turnover. We need guys like Dieon Sanders and Eddie George. Their names attract money and the NFL is a great place for people to learn about turnover as NFL rosters are relatively fluid from year to year. They weren't in the NFL for five minutes. Their long careers exposed them to a great deal and they seem like smart guys. God knows they don't need the money. Is it impossible for us to get someone like this?  I don't think so. Jackson State and BG did it. Colorado quickly went from a laughing stock to some level of respectability. BG is playing well. 

     

    Former NFL players are chomping at the bit for a college head coaching gig. The problem many have is they don't want to work their way up the ladder, and I'm not sure they are wrong about that. I'm not sure I would want to make $100 million and then work as a grad assistant or low level assistant for someone I would be confident I understood more about football and the organizational structure of what has now become professional football than they do. 

     

    What are we waiting for?

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  14. 1 hour ago, exit322 said:

    UCLA and Virginia Tech decided today keeping their failed head coaches was more costly than getting rid of them.  So I guess it's doable even when UCLA's stadium was 80% empty.  Wild.

    Schools like this have much more in their calculations. Akron just has money. Either they can afford to fire Joe, or not. 

  15. 12 minutes ago, clarkwgriswold said:

    I'm thinking old Joe's value in the college football universe has taken a nosedive after leading one of the most inept programs in the nation.

    Meaning what?  How will failing at the Graveyard of Coaches hurt his career or money making potential? Keep in mind Arth is the passing coordinator for an NFL team. 

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  16. 1 hour ago, AkronAlumnus said:

    I agree that Joemo is a cancer and needed canned yesterday (said so since 2023) but I also understand the financial predicament...  I still think we have to find a way to cut ties and not spend $$ doing it.  Maybe have a 3L comb over the contact or something, idk.  He needs to go though and I'm glad that's now obvious

    This is the day every coach firing fan lives for. 

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