The reason Bowser's TD review took so long

[johnnyzip84]

1st of all, I am still wonderfully amazed by that catch. Sure he may have dropped a few over the course of this season, but I contend that he's the only UA receiver in the last dozen years (at least) that is even capable of making that play.Now to the newly discovered evidence. I can now see clearly (ha ha) why the ref (or back judge, linesmen....whatever) blew the call on the field

[Valpo Zip]

I cannot believe that when the refs called an incomplete pass, they didn't throw their flags for pass interference. The CB had no idea where the ball was and he initiated contact with Bowser before he touches the ball. The refs did however call a similar pass interference for Can't (in our end zone) few plays later.

[GoZips88]

I cannot believe that when the refs called an incomplete pass, they didn't throw their flags for pass interference. The CB had no idea where the ball was and he initiated contact with Bowser before he touches the ball. The refs did however call a similar pass interference for Can't (in our end zone) few plays later.

Truly unbelievable that a flag wasn't thrown for interference. MAC refs suck ...

[skip-zip]

johnnyzip... skhorbotly....I've been harping about why interference was not called all along. This is as obvious of an interference penalty as you are ever going to see. I wonder why more people have not brought this up. In addition, I understand that the ref who actually made the incomplete call was one that was not in the best position of the two. I was even more stunned to find out yesterday that we had to use a timeout just to get the refs to even look at it again, since they apparently were not going to look at it initially on their own. A complete comedy of errors. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I will bring it up again. At a game at OU a couple of years ago, we were trying an onside kick at the end of the game to come back and beat them, in the year that they won the East. Our player recovered the ball, and stood up and held the ball in the air. At the time, the referees were still looking into a pile of players away from where the actual recovery took place. Apparently, they didn't know what to do, so they gave the ball to OU. However, they did review it, and despite the fact that you could CLEARLY see the Akron player standing there in the footage holding the ball up in the air, they STILL did not reverse the call.Does anyone else remember this? This is why I have no confidence in these guys getting calls right.

[zen]

@interferenceif the ball is thrown behind the receiver, or underthrown, or in other words, if the receiver has to go back through the defender to get the ball, then I think interference might be ambiguous. If the receiver had turned around without stopping and the defender makes contact before the ball, then there is no ambiguity at all.I wanna see a replay again, because I wasn't really thinking much about interference at the time... I was more focused on the fact that they called it incomplete. But I am just wondering if the Ref felt that Bowser stopped in a way that didn't give the defender a chance to stop as well.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Found this video of the ref exiting the stadium. It explains a lot...

[johnnyzip84]

johnnyzip... skhorbotly....I've been harping about why interference was not called all along. This is as obvious of an interference penalty as you are ever going to see. I wonder why more people have not brought this up. In addition, I understand that the ref who actually made the incomplete call was one that was not in the best position of the two. I was even more stunned to find out yesterday that we had to use a timeout just to get the refs to even look at it again, since they apparently were not going to look at it initially on their own. A complete comedy of errors. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I will bring it up again. At a game at OU a couple of years ago, we were trying an onside kick at the end of the game to come back and beat them, in the year that they won the East. Our player recovered the ball, and stood up and held the ball in the air. At the time, the referees were still looking into a pile of players away from where the actual recovery took place. Apparently, they didn't know what to do, so they gave the ball to OU. However, they did review it, and despite the fact that you could CLEARLY see the Akron player standing there in the footage holding the ball up in the air, they STILL did not reverse the call.Does anyone else remember this? This is why I have no confidence in these guys getting calls right.

It is true that the ref shown in the Beacon pic was NOT the one who made the initial incomplete call (not like he had a good view of the play or anything ) The guy from the other side of the endzone came running in with an emphatic sideways "scissoring" of his arms, and only THEN did the one in the pic join him in the embarrasingly incorrect signal.Also, Skip, I DO recall that play agaist OU 2 years ago. There wasn't much time left, but still the call was a blatant error.

[Zippysgotagun]

If CJ wouldn't have underthrown a 25 yard pass by 5 yards, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous catch.

[g-mann17]

If CJ wouldn't have underthrown a 25 yard pass by 5 yards, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous catch.

Yep it would have been out of bounds and an incomplete pass. Jacq put the ball where it needed to be so that Bowser was the only one with a chance to catch it.

[zen]

If CJ wouldn't have underthrown a 25 yard pass by 5 yards, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous catch.

Yep it would have been out of bounds and an incomplete pass. Jacq put the ball where it needed to be so that Bowser was the only one with a chance to catch it.

While I feel that you are probably right to be cynical in your response to a post that was obviously motivated as a dig on our QB, I think that the point is valid. The pass was not in the optimal location for Bowser to make the catch. Over his shoulder and to the outside while he was in stride would have been best case. Bowser simply made a great athletic play to catch that ball (over and around the defender) and take and keep possession of it. If the defender had been playing the ball, odds are he would have had position to deflect it, at the very least.

[Blue & Gold]

If CJ wouldn't have underthrown a 25 yard pass by 5 yards, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous catch.

Yep it would have been out of bounds and an incomplete pass. Jacq put the ball where it needed to be so that Bowser was the only one with a chance to catch it.

Yeah, good answer. I'm a bit perturbed w/ all the negativity Jac gets on this board. Jac's not a perfect QB, but he's really progressed from where he was last season (which is really all we can ask of him) and he can really move the offense. He did throw 3 picks last week, but only one was entirely his fault. Again, JC's not a perfect QB, and he's no Charlie Frye, but then again, we may never see another Charlie Frye again! Jac's obviously put in a ton of work this past off season and does a commendable job! Go Zips!

[johnnyzip84]

All kidding aside, the Leakin has an article on what really took place in the booth on Saturday. It seems strange that JD needed to use his challenge on that play to get a "shutdown". I'm just glad he made the call in time, because Can't couln't have been more than 1 second away from snapping the ball.Link

[GoZips]

The officials on the play need a refresher course on refereeing.Two points.One. The receiver only needs to have possession established, not several seconds. The receiver wasin the end zone. Its a touchdown. Bad call.Two. The ground, by rule, cannot cause a fumble. The ball came out when Bowser hit the ground.There was no defender touching him. Nor, according to the two refs in the end zone, there was nopass interference which implies contact with the receiver. Its a touchdown. Bad call.

[ksu sucks]

All kidding aside, the Leakin has an article on what really took place in the booth on Saturday. It seems strange that JD needed to use his challenge on that play to get a "shutdown". I'm just glad he made the call in time, because Can't couln't have been more than 1 second away from snapping the ball.Link

I think with all of the negative responses people tend to throw JD's way, he really deserves the respect of the fans for that timeout. A complete game saver. I know it's been said already, but great call JD!

[Zippysgotagun]

If CJ wouldn't have underthrown a 25 yard pass by 5 yards, it wouldn't have been such a ridiculous catch.

Yep it would have been out of bounds and an incomplete pass. Jacq put the ball where it needed to be so that Bowser was the only one with a chance to catch it.

The middle of a defender's back is hardly "where it needs to be." If the defender is watching for the ball instead of face guarding, you'd be whining about CJ's 4th int of the day to put the nail in our coffin.Best place to put a fade pattern pass is to hit the back pylon. It's a good target because it doesn't move. Your receiver's job running a fade is to head for that pylon, and the QB's job is to throw it there so any pursuing DB's can't get it unless they run over your receiver.This picture shows that the ball was barely over the goal line when Bowser had to come back for it. So my original estimate was off a bit. He underthrew it 8 yards.

[skip-zip]

zippysgotagun...it's hard to disagree with you there. Nice picture. Yes, the ball could have been thrown deeper in the end zone. But, I will also agree with some of the others that Jac is a better QB this year, and has improved. I have to correct one thing about the rules that someone brought up. No, the ground cannot cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass. If someone falls to the ground trying to catch a ball, and the ground jars it loose before he catches it, it is going to be ruled imcomplete. Bowser had possession before he fell to the ground in the end zone. If by chance he had not gotten a hold of the ball before the ground knocked it loose, it would have correctly been ruled incomplete.

[Captain Kangaroo]

You're really reaching when you complain about your QB's late 4th-quarter touchdown pass that essentially won the game. You throw the ball where your WR can catch it and let him do his job. Daunte Culpepper made a career out of tossing balls "in the general vicinity" of Randy Moss. When a guy is covered like Bowser was, one-on-one, you toss it up high and let him make a play. I like Bowsers' chances to out-jump and out-fight ANY MAC cornerback.

[g-mann17]

The middle of a defender's back is hardly "where it needs to be." If the defender is watching for the ball instead of face guarding, you'd be whining about CJ's 4th int of the day to put the nail in our coffin.Best place to put a fade pattern pass is to hit the back pylon. It's a good target because it doesn't move. Your receiver's job running a fade is to head for that pylon, and the QB's job is to throw it there so any pursuing DB's can't get it unless they run over your receiver.This picture shows that the ball was barely over the goal line when Bowser had to come back for it. So my original estimate was off a bit. He underthrew it 8 yards.

It's a jump ball, 3-4 yards into the endzone. The idea of the route is that the receiver runs into the endzone turns and looks for the ball. Ideally the ball is thrown quick enough to where the defender's options are A. Turn around and risk being wrong on the timing of the throw and the route. B. Put your hands up and stay in the receiver's face and hope you block the ball. (per college rules a defender does not have to face the ball to defend it)Jacq put the ball where the defender could not see it, and put the ball where Bowser had a chance to catch it and stay in bounds. Jacq threw a good ball. Deal with it.

[zen]

Guys I'm sorry. I don't mean to ride the fence but I agree with both sides. If you have a good receiver you put it near him and hope he makes football plays and athletic plays on the ball.However, that is not best case. One would like a QB to put the ball were the receiver has the best chance to catch it. Forcing your receiver to stop and go up and over the defender, while in his vicinity, certainly is living dangerously. If the defender would have turned to the ball, he would more than likely catch it, break up the play, or even possible receive an offensive interference call since the receiver was all over his back going for the ball.So, since I agree that you should expect your receiver to make plays, you surely cannot rely on that play in and play out.

[Zippysgotagun]

Jacq put the ball where the defender could not see it, and put the ball where Bowser had a chance to catch it and stay in bounds. Jacq threw a good ball. Deal with it.

The defender only couldn't see it because he wasn't looking for it. If he's turned around, it hits him in the center of his chest!! The fact that Jaq was lucky and the defender chose to face guard Bowser doesn't mean the ball was thrown well. If he turns around when he sees Bowser stop, the pass hits him in the numbers, and it's an easy catch. If Jaq throws that ball so that Bowser is in full stride in that same spot (instead of mid-air and draped on a defender), it's a simple catch and an easy call for the official.

[zippyrifle32]

who cares? we got the td, we won the game. if this, or if that, maybe the circumstances would be different. but they're not and no amount of debating will change it.