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[Dr Z]

You can bitch and moan all you want, but Brookhart aint goin nowhere soon, and niether is the 3-3-5. GET OVER IT.

You do realize that over the two buy weeks they experimented with the four DL set and used it against Toledo right?

[Big Zips Fan (220lb)]

Couldn't agree more. I think this program has come a long way. The next step that this program needs to take is to actually WIN those big games. That's when we know that Akron Football has come full circle.

Akron has come a long way since....Gerry Faust went 1-10 in his final year of coaching. Most definitely a long way since that. Lee Owens compiled just 12 wins in his first four seasons as head coach. Definitely a long way since then.Lee Owens compiled a 49% winning record his last 5 years as coach. I would say its come at least a little way since then.We did win a MAC Championship. Since then, we've had two loosing seasons. I generally feel that these Zips teams are generally better than years past, but the overall W-L record doesn't show us to be a MAC powerhouse. Hence, my statement that we have come at least a little way the past few years, but not necessarily a long way.If the program has come a long way, then next year the team should be expected to win those big games as you've said. If we are just a few mistakes or a couple of dropped balls away from a MAC championship game, then that should be remedied by next season. At the same time, if we have come a long way we will easily beat our last two opponents this year who both have losing records. If not, I would say that Akron football has not come a long way recently. Wait 'till next year is something Akron fans have had to say for a long time. If that is what we end up saying this year, how can we say Akron has come a long way?

[skip-zip]

Here's the way I see it with our coaches, and our 1-A history.....Coach Faust took over a program with 1-AA players, and slowly worked to try to make it a 1-A team. He was also further limited by the NCAA not allowing us to immediately go to 95 players, like the rest of our competition. Unfortunately, he left on a bad note with that 1-10 team his 9th year, but compiled a .500 record through the first 8 years, and still holds our best record of 7-3-1 as a I-A program. Analysis: A good start, but more work to be done. Mr. Owens takes over a program established for nearly a decade at D-1A, and a roster full of returning starters. He end ups with a record 20+ games under .500 through 8 years. Analysis: A step backwardsJD comes in and competes for a MAC title his first year, wins it his 2nd year, and further accomplishes a number of firsts, including a bowl bid, and our first ever wins over BCS schools. He's struggled the last couple of years, but still owns a record of only a few games under .500 in his 5th season as coach.Analysis: Some steps back in the right direction, but needs to show that he is going to bounce back from the last two dissappointing seasons.

[skip-zip]

Guys..one other thing.As you look at the "could have been" when looking at this season, please don't forget that we did pull out victories in a couple of close games this year. So, although we like to think "we could be 8-2 right now".....we could also be 3-7 as well. We could have also folded on the road in the 4th Q against Syracuse on the road when they started coming back, but instead came on with a vengeance to close the game. There's a lot of "ifs".So, should we be thankful to be 5-5 right now? I don't know. That's up to each of us to decide. But when we think that it could have been better, a couple of bad breaks could have made it worse also, considering the number of close games that we've been in.

[johnnyzip84]

In my opinion, we haven't had a real strong defense since coach Junko was the D-Coordinator during the Faust era. With that said, where is the problem? In my opinion, which is shared by some of the rest of the old timers I talk to........I urge everyone to think less about the alignment, and more about the personnel. We simply are a bad tackling team. 3-3-5...3-4-4...4-3-4.... it doesn't matter if you can't tackle. I'll say this for the 10th time. Guys like John Mackey made this defense look good at times over the last few years (refer to the game at Ohio State last year, for one...or the game at Miami, where we shut out their offense). So, I ask all of you...where is the Mackey or Stokes on this team? The guys who you could count on to make a textbook tackle when you need it? The guys you always talk about when you watched a game and said, "Hey..he's solid and can make plays all over the field". I know...I don't think there is anyone who fits this bill right now, and herein lies the difference this year.

I am with you and have preached the same thing about the fact it doesn't matter on the primary defensive formation. They chose the 3-3-5 because of the flexibility it has for personnel. Unfortunately we don't have that primary hero-back that we need (he's recovering from a shoulder injury and is hopefully going to be available next year) Williams was supposed to be, but he is designed more as a cover safety the a true Rover. Bottom line if a coach is an idiot for running the 3-3-5, then I guess Ball State has the dumbest 10-0 coach in the nation.

I assume you are talking about Will Fleming? Is there any way we can keep Will, yet resassign his papa? Seriously we NEED to make some major changes on D (this coming from some jerk, that would be ME, who thought this year's year's team had the making of a great defense lol) and I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a new DC in 2009. Ryan Bain will help, but not cure the woes we have all grown accustomed to seeing all too often.

[ksu sucks]

You can bitch and moan all you want, but Brookhart aint goin nowhere soon, and niether is the 3-3-5. GET OVER IT.

You do realize that over the two buy weeks they experimented with the four DL set and used it against Toledo right?

I suppose my point dealt more with the fact that some fans on this board believe that sitting around and complaining will acomplish something. It won't. Brookhart will eventually make the needed changes when he see the need to. You have to remember, most of you aren't there at practice seeing things that Brookhart sees. And obviously he has tried, assuming your post is true.

Couldn't agree more. I think this program has come a long way. The next step that this program needs to take is to actually WIN those big games. That's when we know that Akron Football has come full circle.

Akron has come a long way since....Gerry Faust went 1-10 in his final year of coaching. Most definitely a long way since that. Lee Owens compiled just 12 wins in his first four seasons as head coach. Definitely a long way since then.Lee Owens compiled a 49% winning record his last 5 years as coach. I would say its come at least a little way since then.We did win a MAC Championship. Since then, we've had two loosing seasons. I generally feel that these Zips teams are generally better than years past, but the overall W-L record doesn't show us to be a MAC powerhouse. Hence, my statement that we have come at least a little way the past few years, but not necessarily a long way.If the program has come a long way, then next year the team should be expected to win those big games as you've said. If we are just a few mistakes or a couple of dropped balls away from a MAC championship game, then that should be remedied by next season. At the same time, if we have come a long way we will easily beat our last two opponents this year who both have losing records. If not, I would say that Akron football has not come a long way recently. Wait 'till next year is something Akron fans have had to say for a long time. If that is what we end up saying this year, how can we say Akron has come a long way?

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.

[Lee Adams]

You can bitch and moan all you want, but Brookhart aint goin nowhere soon, and niether is the 3-3-5. GET OVER IT.

You do realize that over the two buy weeks they experimented with the four DL set and used it against Toledo right?

I suppose my point dealt more with the fact that some fans on this board believe that sitting around and complaining will acomplish something. It won't. Brookhart will eventually make the needed changes when he see the need to. You have to remember, most of you aren't there at practice seeing things that Brookhart sees. And obviously he has tried, assuming your post is true.

Couldn't agree more. I think this program has come a long way. The next step that this program needs to take is to actually WIN those big games. That's when we know that Akron Football has come full circle.

Akron has come a long way since....Gerry Faust went 1-10 in his final year of coaching. Most definitely a long way since that. Lee Owens compiled just 12 wins in his first four seasons as head coach. Definitely a long way since then.Lee Owens compiled a 49% winning record his last 5 years as coach. I would say its come at least a little way since then.We did win a MAC Championship. Since then, we've had two loosing seasons. I generally feel that these Zips teams are generally better than years past, but the overall W-L record doesn't show us to be a MAC powerhouse. Hence, my statement that we have come at least a little way the past few years, but not necessarily a long way.If the program has come a long way, then next year the team should be expected to win those big games as you've said. If we are just a few mistakes or a couple of dropped balls away from a MAC championship game, then that should be remedied by next season. At the same time, if we have come a long way we will easily beat our last two opponents this year who both have losing records. If not, I would say that Akron football has not come a long way recently. Wait 'till next year is something Akron fans have had to say for a long time. If that is what we end up saying this year, how can we say Akron has come a long way?

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.

:blink: haven't beaten a team with a winning record..1 win at home...what am i missing?..that said if brookhart goes 6-6 he gets another year and a locker at the INFO...if not 3 losing seasons in a row after 2 + one win seasons..!

[ksu sucks]

You can bitch and moan all you want, but Brookhart aint goin nowhere soon, and niether is the 3-3-5. GET OVER IT.

You do realize that over the two buy weeks they experimented with the four DL set and used it against Toledo right?

I suppose my point dealt more with the fact that some fans on this board believe that sitting around and complaining will acomplish something. It won't. Brookhart will eventually make the needed changes when he see the need to. You have to remember, most of you aren't there at practice seeing things that Brookhart sees. And obviously he has tried, assuming your post is true.

Couldn't agree more. I think this program has come a long way. The next step that this program needs to take is to actually WIN those big games. That's when we know that Akron Football has come full circle.

Akron has come a long way since....Gerry Faust went 1-10 in his final year of coaching. Most definitely a long way since that. Lee Owens compiled just 12 wins in his first four seasons as head coach. Definitely a long way since then.Lee Owens compiled a 49% winning record his last 5 years as coach. I would say its come at least a little way since then.We did win a MAC Championship. Since then, we've had two loosing seasons. I generally feel that these Zips teams are generally better than years past, but the overall W-L record doesn't show us to be a MAC powerhouse. Hence, my statement that we have come at least a little way the past few years, but not necessarily a long way.If the program has come a long way, then next year the team should be expected to win those big games as you've said. If we are just a few mistakes or a couple of dropped balls away from a MAC championship game, then that should be remedied by next season. At the same time, if we have come a long way we will easily beat our last two opponents this year who both have losing records. If not, I would say that Akron football has not come a long way recently. Wait 'till next year is something Akron fans have had to say for a long time. If that is what we end up saying this year, how can we say Akron has come a long way?

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.

:blink: haven't beaten a team with a winning record..1 win at home...what am i missing?..that said if brookhart goes 6-6 he gets another year and a locker at the INFO...if not 3 losing seasons in a row after 2 + one win seasons..!

Thats idiotic. Your basing the job security of our coach on ONE game? Please.

[uafan]

:blink: haven't beaten a team with a winning record..1 win at home...what am i missing?..that said if brookhart goes 6-6 he gets another year and a locker at the INFO...if not 3 losing seasons in a row after 2 + one win seasons..!Thats idiotic. Your basing the job security of our coach on ONE game? Please.What's idiotic about his statement? And what are you saying? Which ONE game are you talking about?

[uafan]

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.Are you good with this statement? Are you satisfied that we lost some close games the media said we would lose? "Oh well, the media says we should lose, so I hope we can just keep it close!" Bulls--t! The fact is, we are losing winnable games, and until we turn that around, we are a loser program! All the talent and coaching in the world are no good until we start winning. If you're OK coming close, fine. But don't expect me to be happy with these results!

[ksu sucks]

:blink: haven't beaten a team with a winning record..1 win at home...what am i missing?..that said if brookhart goes 6-6 he gets another year and a locker at the INFO...if not 3 losing seasons in a row after 2 + one win seasons..!

Thats idiotic. Your basing the job security of our coach on ONE game? Please.

What's idiotic about his statement? And what are you saying? Which ONE game are you talking about?

If I understand correctly, hes saying that if we win one more game this sesason than Brookhart should stay. And if we lose both of the last two, then Brookhart should be fired. That means 6-6 he stays, 5-7 and he goes. That, my friend, is a difference of one game. Here, perhaps this will help:(6-6) or (5-7)Taking the bolded 6, and subtracting the bolded 5, equates to 1. As follows:6-5=1Therefore, we have a difference of(brace yourself) one game.So then if we are going to base this season on one game, which one should it be? Because we could of won three other games this season, but didn't. Shudda, wudda, cudda, right? I'm not going to waste any more time on this, because how amazed would you be if Rhodes just walked up to Brookhart and said: "J.D, look, I'm real sorry, but as you know, its been a real rough season, competing for the East title and all. So were going to have to see you win one of the next two games or else your gone. I can't risk bringing the same coach we've had for five years into a brand new stadium. It would work out better starting over from scratch and rebuilding with the new stadium, as far as ticket sales go.Won't happen. Quit whining. Go watch the Browns or something.

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.

Are you good with this statement? Are you satisfied that we lost some close games the media said we would lose? "Oh well, the media says we should lose, so I hope we can just keep it close!" Bulls--t! The fact is, we are losing winnable games, and until we turn that around, we are a loser program! All the talent and coaching in the world are no good until we start winning. If you're OK coming close, fine. But don't expect me to be happy with these results!

Wait a second, didn't you repeat exactly what I just said with a more pessimistic outlook?

[uafan]

Gee, I guess I didn't understand what you weere saying. I'm just getting tired of people who seem to be happy when we come close in a game others said we should lose. If we come close, we should win, especially at home. That is what upsets me. And until we start winning those games, we won't earn anyone's respect. The media looks at Akron, and in what should be a close game, they automatically pick us to lose. That is what we need to turn around!

[ksu sucks]

Gee, I guess I didn't understand what you weere saying. I'm just getting tired of people who seem to be happy when we come close in a game others said we should lose. If we come close, we should win, especially at home. That is what upsets me. And until we start winning those games, we won't earn anyone's respect. The media looks at Akron, and in what should be a close game, they automatically pick us to lose. That is what we need to turn around!

I agree completely. I don't think you can always blame the fans though for their attitudes. With the exception of 2005, in recent years, these fans haven't had much to cheer about. Theres no doubt that the losing mentality of a teams fans is a direct product of that teams lack of success. J.D needs to start winning those close games, and to his credit, he has won some. He just hasn't won enough to bring us to the next level. That's not going to work with UA fans much longer. We want to see a winning product, especially with the completion of the INFO coming up.

[skip-zip]

uafan...and some others....I'll make two points...1) I think what some people are trying to say (including me) is that we had some good performances against some superior competition, and feel some sense of encouragement from those performances. I don't think any one of us are happy with a loss, or somehow relish in what some call this "loser mentality". Cincinnati is a Top-20 team, and we played them to the wire. I walked away from that game thinking "if only we could have found a way to win".....but certainly was not dissappointed with the way we performed.2) You're forgetting....there were other close games this year where we DID find a way to win.

[RACER]

the problem with the football team is the expectation level is set low.it's pretty bad when a coach goes 6-6,and people think he should get coach of the year.most programs 6-6 season fans would be calling for the coach to resign.not akron.we settle for 6-6 as a great season,and a pay raise.i am all for giving jd another year,but we need to start winning.where is all this talent everybody says akron has.the offense does have some good players,and jd has done a good job.the defense is another story.i see no difference in talent from owens / jd on defense.they were bad then,and they are bad now.the zips need to pull together, and win the next two games.no reason they should not beat either ou,or temple.

[Lee Adams]

You can bitch and moan all you want, but Brookhart aint goin nowhere soon, and niether is the 3-3-5. GET OVER IT.

You do realize that over the two buy weeks they experimented with the four DL set and used it against Toledo right?

I suppose my point dealt more with the fact that some fans on this board believe that sitting around and complaining will acomplish something. It won't. Brookhart will eventually make the needed changes when he see the need to. You have to remember, most of you aren't there at practice seeing things that Brookhart sees. And obviously he has tried, assuming your post is true.

Couldn't agree more. I think this program has come a long way. The next step that this program needs to take is to actually WIN those big games. That's when we know that Akron Football has come full circle.

Akron has come a long way since....Gerry Faust went 1-10 in his final year of coaching. Most definitely a long way since that. Lee Owens compiled just 12 wins in his first four seasons as head coach. Definitely a long way since then.Lee Owens compiled a 49% winning record his last 5 years as coach. I would say its come at least a little way since then.We did win a MAC Championship. Since then, we've had two loosing seasons. I generally feel that these Zips teams are generally better than years past, but the overall W-L record doesn't show us to be a MAC powerhouse. Hence, my statement that we have come at least a little way the past few years, but not necessarily a long way.If the program has come a long way, then next year the team should be expected to win those big games as you've said. If we are just a few mistakes or a couple of dropped balls away from a MAC championship game, then that should be remedied by next season. At the same time, if we have come a long way we will easily beat our last two opponents this year who both have losing records. If not, I would say that Akron football has not come a long way recently. Wait 'till next year is something Akron fans have had to say for a long time. If that is what we end up saying this year, how can we say Akron has come a long way?

Bottom line: Akron has the talent, and the coaching, now we just need to go out there and put some W's on the board. That's all it comes down to. This season was as close as it gets. There's really only two games this year that we flat out LOST. We won close games we should of won, and lost some close games that the media said we would lose. We need to start winning those to take the next step in the right direction.

:blink: haven't beaten a team with a winning record..1 win at home...what am i missing?..that said if brookhart goes 6-6 he gets another year and a locker at the INFO...if not 3 losing seasons in a row after 2 + one win seasons..!

Thats idiotic. Your basing the job security of our coach on ONE game? Please.

guess ya gotta read everything...ITS NOT JUST ONE WIN AT HOME ITS ALL THE OTHER STUFF TOO...like i said if he gets this bunch to 6-6 EVEN THOUGH THEY WILL NOT HAVE BEATEN A TEAM WITH A WINNG RECORD i think jd gets one more year..

[Lee Adams]

the problem with the football team is the expectation level is set low.it's pretty bad when a coach goes 6-6,and people think he should get coach of the year.most programs 6-6 season fans would be calling for the coach to resign.not akron.we settle for 6-6 as a great season,and a pay raise.i am all for giving jd another year,but we need to start winning.where is all this talent everybody says akron has.the offense does have some good players,and jd has done a good job.the defense is another story.i see no difference in talent from owens / jd on defense.they were bad then,and they are bad now.the zips need to pull together, and win the next two games.no reason they should not beat either ou,or temple.

thanks RACER...nobody wants to face reality...

[ksu sucks]

Most of this is directed towards Lee Adams, but also toward the rest of you who enjoy arguing over moot points.So your saying if we win one of the other three close games this season(BG,UB,UC) then he should keep the job, even if he loses to both OU and Temple? That would make us 6-6 and still meet your criteria for holding onto Brookhart. Let's face the true reality here. J.D needs to win big games and he hasn't. I understand that. I'm not even really defending Brookhart. I'm just trying to keep an objective outlook.You either want a coach gone, or you want him to stay. If you don't want J.D to stay, then just say so and be over with it.All that you are doing is putting yourself in a win-win situation. If UA wins out, hey, shot at a bowl game and your team in the mix! And if J.D loses both of the last games, you can play the "I told you so" game. So what happens if he does go 6-6? Do you just keep him around and bash him every time we lose a close game next season? A lot of you seem to be against a lot of my thoughts, and I don't know why. I'm just trying to think about this teams future logically. If we dump J.D, what happens next year at the new stadium? A MAC championship in '05 raised the bar, and the past three seasons haven't even come close to meeting the expectations. But where do you guys propose we go for a new coach? I'm serious? Who else is there for this program that you think could justify rebuilding with the opening of a new stadium.By the way, I love it guys, this is funny. Arguing over pointless things gives me a reason to avoid my calculus homework.

[GP1]

J.D needs to win big games and he hasn't. I understand that.

What do you call the MAC Championship against the best team in the league that year. He also beat the same team earlier in the season. How soon you guys forget when it doesn't meet your argument. I guess that's why the saying, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument" exists.

[ksu sucks]

J.D needs to win big games and he hasn't. I understand that.

What do you call the MAC Championship against the best team in the league that year. He also beat the same team earlier in the season. How soon you guys forget when it doesn't meet your argument. I guess that's why the saying, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument" exists.

Haha, I refuse to argue with that reply until you read the rest of my posts.