Face the Facts

[fallingzips]

Hipsher brought credibility to a down program. He did not perform well in the MAC Tournament but Akron had never been in a MAC Tourney game before he got to Akron. Huggins won in the lowly Ohio Valley Conference. Face the facts Zips Fan's Akron and Buffalo are the armpit of the MAC. The Rubber Bowl and The JAR are 2nd rate facilities.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Hipsher brought credibility to a down program.

I'll give you that one, but that is a pretty "soft" opinion. Is that the best you've got?

He did not perform well in the MAC Tournament but Akron had never been in a MAC Tourney game before he got to Akron.

How many years were the Zips even in the MAC before Hipsher? Three? I guarantee if you'd have given Coleman Crawford 9 more years to try and get to the MAC tourney even he'd have made it at least once!

Huggins won in the lowly Ohio Valley Conference.

The OVC was a tough conference in the mid/late 80's. Middle Tennessee won games in the NCAA tourney, and I believe Murray State did too. Do your homework before typing that crap.

Face the facts Zips Fan's Akron and Buffalo are the armpit of the MAC.

There are about 10 teams in the MAC that would kill for the talent the Zips and Buffalo return in 2004-5.

The Rubber Bowl and The JAR are 2nd rate.

The Rubber Bowl and the JAR would need severe upgrades to reach the lofty status of "second-rate."

[fallingzips]

Over a 3 year period from 1998-2000, Akron was the winningest program in the MAC (36-18). You think CC could have done that? He could barely win a game in the MAC.

..... before writing the crap! Did I upset you ? Relax big fella, it's only an opinion. You are correct though, Murray State beating Kentucky in '82 and Florida State in '89 was tougher than competing with teams that went to the Sweet 16 (Miami of Ohio) and Elite 8 (Can't STATE).

10 teams might kill for a player or two (Turner Battle), but not the whole team. Be real.

[Guest Guest]

Rubber Bowl 2nd rate facility? Compared to the facilities aka dumps listed below, and this list is not exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination, the Rubber Bowl is the Trump Towers:

Orang Bowl (Miami) now thats' a 2nd rate facility;

The Big House (Miiiiiiiiichigan) now that's a 2nd rate facility;

Legion Field (Alabama) now that a 2nd rate facility; and

Memorial Stadium (Cal Berkley) now that a a a a a a DUMP.

AND THEY ALL PLAY TO CAPACITY

CROWDS Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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(High profile local and regional talent so, among other things, their fan base can attend ALL the home games). How many family members from Florida, Oklahoma, Georgia, California, and Texas if "Pro Scout" would have had his way attended the home games last year-heck within the last five years?

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

IN MT I TRUST

IN ZW I TRUST

IN JD IM PLACING MY TRUST

PSS: When is the spring fling? I'm planning on being in A cron the weekend of April 17th.

[Guest Guest]

The Rubber Bowl and The JAR are 2nd rate facilities.

Have you ever been in the Can't State's MAC Center ? It is a hole. In the second deck, you can't see some of the court or scoreboard due to poor sightlines. There are plenty of other second rate facilities in the MAC. Do some research.

As for the Bowl, it's a football field used 5 times a year. It now has a decent playing surface so it serves it's purpose. Obviously, we all know it needs improvements.

[Guest RooFan]

I worked as a student employee for UA during '84 to '88 for Physical Facilities. Even back then we all new the Rubber Bowl was a dump. The closed end is actually dangerous. Had to pump millions of $$ in concrete under it because the underground river washes away the foundation. Remember when it was closed off?? City shut it down cause it wasn't safe.

Built in 1930's by WPA as a gov't works program. It's not in great shape. But as they say, "If you win, they will come." Or is it, "If you win, they will build a new one?" -- Can't remember.

As for the JAR. UA officials were complaining about it while it was being built. Too small. Oversized high school gym. Held only a few more than Memorial Hall. Huggins filled it to capacity when I was a Junior... wow 4500 people...

A few years ago, City offered to combine John S KNoght Center with UA domed stadium effort... Faust era -- I think. UA said no to going for some state $$ and idea died. Sure would have been nice to be inside in late November @ 70 degrees instead of having 4,000 die hards shivering in the cold and snow.

[Guest Guest]

Over a 3 year period from 1998-2000, Akron was the winningest program in the MAC (36-18). You think CC could have done that? He could barely win a game in the MAC.

..... before writing the crap! Did I upset you ? Relax big fella, it's only an opinion. You are correct though, Murray State beating Kentucky in '82 and Florida State in '89 was tougher than competing with teams that went to the Sweet 16 (Miami of Ohio) and Elite 8 (Can't STATE).

10 teams might kill for a player or two (Turner Battle), but not the whole team. Be real.

1.) The response seemed very simple: Coleman Crawford would likely have won at least one MAC tourney game if he had 9 years to try. How you twisted that into some "overall record in 2000-whatever" is testamony to your weak initial post.

2.) You neglected Middle Tennessee's success in the tourney. I guess because it doesn't "fit" your point? Nice job. Also, just to remind you, your point was not that the MAC was overall stronger than the OVC...it was that the OVC sucked. That point is proven to be untrue (crap). Also crap is tring to prove your point that the OVC of Huggin's days sucked by comparing it to the MAC of 2-seasons in the 90's. By the way...how did the OVC and the MAC compare in 2003-4?

You've got some ax to grind? Go away until you have something besides flames, lies and retarded spins to post.

[fallingzips]

I'm sorry Middle Tennessee was a power in the tournament. They won only one NCAA Tourney game in the '80's. I guess that compares with a Sweet 16 and an Elite 8.

You can't compare the OVC to the MAC. The MAC is rated 15th this year and the OVC is rated 23rd out of 32. The OVC did suck and continues to suck.

I was just pointing out that you lost a good coach who did a good job in a tough league with near bottom of the league support.

[Zip Watcher]

Hipsher did a good job & improved the situation he was given. Respectable, but not a great job. Now we need a great job & MT has decided to move on.

Regarding the OVC .. it is a good hoops conference .. was then and is now. MTSU, MSU & AP have all had good teams recently and over the years. Certainly not the depth of the MAC, but opening round wins by the OVC are not uncommon.

I think people are also forgetting what I believe was a near Sweet 16 run by Austin Peay back in 87 or so. It sticks in my mind because they got absolutely jobbed by the refs against a Rick Pitino coached Providence Friars club. Remains the worst call I've ever seen in my life.

[Big Zip]

Falling Zip -- I'm not really sure what your point is, but I do have one question you may be able to answer for me. If you feel Dan Hipsher was unfairly fired -- what would it have taken in your eyes to be fired?

Please note you have stated winning one game in the MAC Tourney in nine years was sufficient for your liking. I only ask this question because I'm afraid you are just another Akronite who seems to be okay with losing. If Dan would have gotten the talent out of the players he had and had even a little success -- he would be hailed as a hero on this board. The people here have watched Can't turn into a MAC perenial contender and post season tournament regular as their Zips have turned into also rans.

Why do I feel like the people on this board are beating their collective heads against a wall with you? Any rational argument isn't accepted by you at all.