Dave in Green Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 As in all types of politics, I'm open to good data presented in positive campaigning by all sides, and closed to all forms of negative campaigning by all sides, no matter how persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive. Some of the most noble as well as some of the most despicable people and organizations in history have been persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive in pursuit of their causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tbozeglav Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 @ZackTheZipI love that comic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 All hail the mighty Jake. The smartest most knowledgable and most arrogant person on these boards LOL. The university and the city will do whatever they want to do. BTW, the city is working with the U of A on this project. I have spoken with a person in the city that is familar with all of the inner workings as far as sports and athletic evens are concerned and there are ongoing discussions taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 All hail the mighty Jake. The smartest most knowledgable and most arrogant person on these boards LOL. The university and the city will do whatever they want to do. BTW, the city is working with the U of A on this project. I have spoken with a person in the city that is familar with all of the inner workings as far as sports and athletic evens are concerned and there are ongoing discussions taking place.All hail the mighty akronad...the smartest most knowledgable and most arrogant person on these boards...LOL. He has spoken with a person in the city that (it should read, who) is familiar with all of the inner workings (oooohhhhh, i'm scared over the term "inner workings"...not!) as far as sports and athletic events are concerned and there are ongoing discussions taking place. Hey, akronad, I am very much aware of the fact there are ongoing discussions taking place. Mind telling us how that fact discredits my position? I don't claim to be almighty even though you have chosen to bestow that title upon me under the influence of your own rage and weird insecurities.I'm curious as to why you have this need to personally attack me just because I have an opinion that I am willing to stick to and back up. I don't back down and that quality in me seems to upset you. What a weird person you must be for getting so upset over consistency and sticktoitvness. It appears that you and some others on this blog suffer from the same ailment that our football team suffers from and that is the lack of BALLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 quote name='Dave in Green' post='96871' date='Oct 31 2009, 06:24 PM']As in all types of politics, I'm open to good data presented in positive campaigning by all sides, and closed to all forms of negative campaigning by all sides, no matter how persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive. Some of the most noble as well as some of the most despicable people and organizations in history have been persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive in pursuit of their causes.You are interested in process. I and others are interested in results and I seek those results through legitimate paths and not the mental masturbation that you seem obsessed with.And your original objection was to my quality of persistence without your afterthought of its application to good or bad objectives. You claimed that my persistence somehow discredited my opinion. Persitence alone is not a bad thing and if you are going to turn it into a bad thing, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to back it up with some facts. It's obvious that my unwllingnness to back down is being redefined by you and those who would confuse backbone with arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I just disagree Zach. It appears that it is you who obsesses over someone being "wrong". It is your problem that you can't handle dissension and no one elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Jake: You are one that is obsessed with the new arena being ON CAMPUS. While I would prefer a downtown location, BTW which is now part of the campus, contrary to your reasoning, I believe that whatever is the best locaction as determined by the powers that be would be the location that is most beneficial for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infofan Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I just disagree Zach. It appears that it is you who obsesses over someone being "wrong". It is your problem that you can't handle dissension and no one elses. Jake- lets start over. I appreciate you being an opinionated Zip fan. I do disagree with you on the projected location but its a free country. As such lets respect that we can agree to disagree. And make no mistake, if a new arena/convocation ctr is built on campus Ill be estatic. Lets just try to get along on here. Were all zip fans with the same end result in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 As in all types of politics, I'm open to good data presented in positive campaigning by all sides, and closed to all forms of negative campaigning by all sides, no matter how persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive. Some of the most noble as well as some of the most despicable people and organizations in history have been persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive in pursuit of their causes.You are interested in process. I and others are interested in results and I seek those results through legitimate paths and not the mental masturbation that you seem obsessed with.And your original objection was to my quality of persistence without your afterthought of its application to good or bad objectives. You claimed that my persistence somehow discredited my opinion. Persitence alone is not a bad thing and if you are going to turn it into a bad thing, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to back it up with some facts. It's obvious that my unwllingnness to back down is being redefined by you and those who would confuse backbone with arrogance.My original general statement on persistence was that people on this forum "are sophisticated enough not to confuse the validity of a position with the persistence of that position's advocates."Here's a general statement on process:Sometimes people are tempted to use tactics to achieve results that result in achieving the opposite results. An example would be advocating something on a forum by using the tactic of belittling and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with one's position. Would people be more or less likely to vote with a political activist who used the tactic of knocking on their door and yelling in their face, "You're a stupid idiot unless you vote for my position." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottditzen Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Jake/Blake, what is your goal in posting your opinions on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 As in all types of politics, I'm open to good data presented in positive campaigning by all sides, and closed to all forms of negative campaigning by all sides, no matter how persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive. Some of the most noble as well as some of the most despicable people and organizations in history have been persistent, steadfast, passionate and assertive in pursuit of their causes.You are interested in process. I and others are interested in results and I seek those results through legitimate paths and not the mental masturbation that you seem obsessed with.And your original objection was to my quality of persistence without your afterthought of its application to good or bad objectives. You claimed that my persistence somehow discredited my opinion. Persitence alone is not a bad thing and if you are going to turn it into a bad thing, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to back it up with some facts. It's obvious that my unwllingnness to back down is being redefined by you and those who would confuse backbone with arrogance.My original general statement on persistence was that people on this forum "are sophisticated enough not to confuse the validity of a position with the persistence of that position's advocates."Here's a general statement on process:Sometimes people are tempted to use tactics to achieve results that result in achieving the opposite results. An example would be advocating something on a forum by using the tactic of belittling and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with one's position. Would people be more or less likely to vote with a political activist who used the tactic of knocking on their door and yelling in their face, "You're a stupid idiot unless you vote for my position."And you make a good point and I have never used that tactic, but those who have opposed me have. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Jake/Blake, what is your goal in posting your opinions on this forum?Very simple...that The University of Akron builds its new multipurpose basketball arena on the real and true University of Akron campus and not someone's idea of a pseudo/fake campus. Does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Jake, would you consider the location of the abandoned carwash to be on campus, at least after the dorms are built across the street from it? It kind of makes sense. It puts all of our athletics venues on Exchange street and it has all the advantages that the stadium has as far as traffic and visibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Jake: You are one that is obsessed with the new arena being ON CAMPUS. While I would prefer a downtown location, BTW which is now part of the campus, contrary to your reasoning, I believe that whatever is the best locaction as determined by the powers that be would be the location that is most beneficial for all.Obsessed is not the same as dedicated and I don't abdicate to what you call "the powers that be", you wuse! And you can lie all you want, downtown Akron is not part of the campus of The University of Akron. Saying so is just one of many myths and lies that Akron yokals like to perpetuate. Anyone with half a brain would realize that a new university arena should be built on the university campus proper in a clear, concise and conspicuous manner just as the stadium is. But, then again, it is you and people like you who wanted the UA stadium to be downtown as well. Why do you hate The University of Akron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Jake, would you consider the location of the abandoned carwash to be on campus, at least after the dorms are built across the street from it? It kind of makes sense. It puts all of our athletics venues on Exchange street and it has all the advantages that the stadium has as far as traffic and visibility.Yes, I certainly do and in fact that is where I have already proposed that the new University of Akron Arena be built.. However, someone on this site denigrated me for that suggestion claiming that the site is smaller than the footprint of Rhodes Arena which it is not. It is a pefect site for a new on-campus, multi-purpose University of Akron Arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I just disagree Zach. It appears that it is you who obsesses over someone being "wrong". It is your problem that you can't handle dissension and no one elses. Jake- lets start over. I appreciate you being an opinionated Zip fan. I do disagree with you on the projected location but its a free country. As such lets respect that we can agree to disagree. And make no mistake, if a new arena/convocation ctr is built on campus Ill be estatic. Lets just try to get along on here. Were all zip fans with the same end result in mind. I am a Zip fan and more importantly, I am a Univeristy of Akron fan and we do not have the same end in mind. So, let us not play footsie games with one another. I have my opinions and that is not the same as being opinionated. If you or anyone else wants to see a downtown Akron Arena, I have no problem with that as long as it is solely a city effort and not a so-called, phony joint university/city/county effort. For the past several decades, the City of Akron has derailed, emasculated and made invisible The University of Akron in order to hijack its facilities, services and accomplisments in a successful attempt to fraudulently convince the region that Akron, Ohio is the source of the accomplshments acheived by The University of Akron.If you are wondering if this is the reason why I am against a joint UA/city/county effort towards an arena, then wonder no more. You are absolutely correct!I maintain my position and there is no changing my mind.BUILD THE NEW UNIVERSITY OF AKRON ARENA ON THE UNIVERSITY OF AKRON CAMPUS AND NOT IN DOWNTOWN AKRON. It is that simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath .....Everytime I read one of Jakes posts, this just keeps popping into my head.I fixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath .....Everytime I read one of his posts, this just keeps popping into my head.THANKS FOR SEEING THE OBVIOUS. THE MAJORITY ON THIS SITE ARE EPITOMIZED BY THE LITTLE CHICKEN. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING THE SAME STUPID QUESTIONS. THEY GO ROUND IN A CIRCLE...LIKE THE BILLY PRESTON SONG!Will It Go Round in Circles 4:28 Billy Preston 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Billy Preston $0.99 R&B/Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hilltopper Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath .....Everytime I read one of Jakes posts, this just keeps popping into my head.THANKS FOR SEEING THE OBVIOUS. THE MAJORITY ON THIS SITE ARE EPITOMIZED BY THE LITTLE CHICKEN. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING THE SAME STUPID QUESTIONS. THEY GO ROUND IN A CIRCLE...LIKE THE BILLY PRESTON SONG!Will It Go Round in Circles 4:28 Billy Preston 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Billy Preston $0.99 R&B/SoulWhoooosh! Right over his head! There, I fixed it. I wasn't talking about Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I just took a time out to study a little history on this subject. As near as I can tell, there's a long history of civil discussion on ZN about potential sites for a new arena. The nature of that discussion appeared to change at the point that a new forum member accused older forum members of being "dishonest" and "trollish." From that point on, the general level of civility on this subject has remained beneath former ZN standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath .....Everytime I read one of Jakes posts, this just keeps popping into my head.THANKS FOR SEEING THE OBVIOUS. THE MAJORITY ON THIS SITE ARE EPITOMIZED BY THE LITTLE CHICKEN. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING THE SAME STUPID QUESTIONS. THEY GO ROUND IN A CIRCLE...LIKE THE BILLY PRESTON SONG!Will It Go Round in Circles 4:28 Billy Preston 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Billy Preston $0.99 R&B/SoulWhoooosh! Right over his head! There, I fixed it. I wasn't talking about Dave.Not over my head at all. You seem to have a problem with analogies. BTW, I never called anyone a troll. I was however called a troll by some of the dishonest members of ZN. And, that's right I said DISHONEST. It's not an insult just an honest observation. Quit treating ZN as though it were some sacrosanct church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 End of discussion.Everyone's holding their breath .....Everytime I read one of Jakes posts, this just keeps popping into my head.THANKS FOR SEEING THE OBVIOUS. THE MAJORITY ON THIS SITE ARE EPITOMIZED BY THE LITTLE CHICKEN. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP ASKING THE SAME STUPID QUESTIONS. THEY GO ROUND IN A CIRCLE...LIKE THE BILLY PRESTON SONG!Will It Go Round in Circles 4:28 Billy Preston 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Billy Preston $0.99 R&B/SoulWhoooosh! Right over his head! There, I fixed it. I wasn't talking about Dave.He's right. You guys are built too low. I've been compared to Foghorn Leghorn before and I'm proud of it. Thanks for the compliment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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