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[Captain Kangaroo]

Starting QB to be announced tomorrow. Nice call, whoever said it would be today

Link

I need to vent a little bit....

This whole QB situation has just been upsetting to me. After seeing what we've seen from these two QBs, I can't see anything about this decision to get excited about. And the designated starter is now facing the disadvantage of having received diminished reps with the first teamers with only 10 days left til opening day. I'm not sure that's the way they wanted it to be. But, from what we saw in 2009, I think it's understandable if they wanted to do plenty of evaluation before making a decision. I unfortunately see the Quinn vs. Anderson comparisons that many of you are seeing. Meanwhile, lowly Ken+ State has a freshman QB step in last year and play only 2/3 of the season, throw for well over 2,000 yards, including two late-season starts in which he threw for nearly 400 yards, and looks to have the potential for an amazing future. Barring any unforseen events, they probably have a solid starter for the next 3 seasons, with several good performances already under his belt. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir with many of you who are done with the "they just need more experience" talk. I had hoped that Akron was at the point where we could nab a Charlie Frye-caliber QB once every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to hope a little longer, unless our selected 2010 starter makes a dramatic improvement from what we've seen thus far from these two individuals.

This isn't Quinn-Anderson...it is Kosar and Don Strock/Gary Danielson. It's Stabler and George Blanda. It's Bradshaw and Hanratty or Stoudt. It's Bob Griese and Erol Morral.

Nicely is the QB. Done deal. Rodgers is the competent veteran back up who can manage a game in a pinch. That's the way it is.

I'm astounded at the anti-optimism over Nicely. As long as the OL gives him reasonable time, he's going to be a great ... not average... GREAT QB.

Will he be as good as Getsy? Eventually, yes. But he's a true Soph, and Luke came in as a 4th year Junior.

Obviously he won't be perfect. So please spare me any "SEE I TOLD YOU SO's!!" after every interception. Everyone knows there will be a few. Luke sure tossed his share.

[Big Zip]

Captain and others....my comments are not based on seeing the kid play only in college. My comments come from talking with a close friend who saw him play every game in High School. He said what he saw at the from Nicely last year is exactly what he saw from him throughout high school -- no different.

What I saw last year was a guy who could throw the ball the length of the field but had almost absolutely no touch on the ball at all. I"m looking forward to the first game to see if he has developed the touch he will need to succeed in college...if it still isn't there I'm thinking it is going to be a long season.

[ZachTheZip]

All of the talk about Nicely being a done deal assumes we have a coach competent enough to make the right call. That's why I'm doubting.

[MaxZIP]

All of the talk about Nicely being a done deal assumes we have a coach competent enough to make the right call. That's why I'm doubting.

There is a whole lot of baseless doubt flying around here today.

[ZachTheZip]

All of the talk about Nicely being a done deal assumes we have a coach competent enough to make the right call. That's why I'm doubting.

There is a whole lot of baseless doubt flying around here today.

The optimism is equally baseless.

[MaxZIP]

All of the talk about Nicely being a done deal assumes we have a coach competent enough to make the right call. That's why I'm doubting.

There is a whole lot of baseless doubt flying around here today.

The optimism is equally baseless.

True but at least it is more fun

[Captain Kangaroo]

What I saw last year was a guy who could throw the ball the length of the field but had almost absolutely no touch on the ball at all.

Any negatives I saw last season seemed to have a reasonable explanation -

• His O-line regressed terribly from 2008. His protection was minimal.
  
• He had absolutely no running game to support the pass.
  
• With Bowser on the shelf, he had no WR's.
  

Combine that with the fact that he was a true Freshman, and he did the best anyone could under the same situation.

I like Nicely's vision. I like his arm strength. I like his footwork. I like how he worked through his progressions and didn't lock onto his primary WR.

I don't like his tendency to fumble.

A strong-armed thrower like Nicely can work on the "touch" throws. A weak-armed QB like Rodgers will never develop a long-ball. Or be able to zip a screen pass quick enough to avoid the route-jumping DB.

[skip-zip]

I'll add some of the Captain's comments to the list that includes "he looks good in the pocket" and "I like his size". The problem is, a QB has to also complete passes, and move the offense down the field. As ZachTheZip says...baseless optimism.

Let me state again, I am not thrilled with ANY QB OPTION we have right now. But, I'm just amazed at the high status that's being given to a guy that completed barely half of his passes, and accomplished little during an 8 game stretch besides a couple of home wins against two of the worst teams in the league and 1-A football. Plus, I'm even further baffled by the constant belittling of the other QB, who actually made plays and put points on the board for us. Have some of you forgotten that after the CMU game (Rodgers last full game) we didn't score more than 20 points again the rest of the season with the exception of those two games against lowly Ken+ and EMU? Where is this clear-cut decision in favor of Nicely that should have been so obvious to our coach? I certainly don't see it if production is a factor. But maybe a couple of you folks know best, and can see it in things like "the way he moves his feet while standing in the pocket".

Big Zip...you hit again on something I've also heard from people who watched him during his HS career, and last season appeared to be a continuation of that. I've also heard about collapses against quality opposition. In fact, a couple of weekends ago I was around one of these people, and they overheard me telling someone else that he could be our starter, and he turned around quickly and laughed and said, "He's going to be Akron's starter? Good luck with that!!".

Not what I wanted to hear.

[xu9697]

My thoughts from spring:

http://zipsnation.org/forums//index.php?sh...+derek+anderson

In addition:

Mar 24 2010, 02:03 PM Post #6

[in this case, we have at least a sample (not huge, of course) of viewing Rodgers v. Nicely in game action. Rodgers was thrown into a bad situation, no doubt. But, you can just see it with Nicely. I never thought he would look as good as he did so soon. Throw out the stats..the kid just looks like a QB, and a darn good one.

If Rodgers comes out and beats him, I will be somewhat surprised, somewhat impressed, and at least a little bit concerned about our coaching staff (and their decisions).

And somewhere, though I could not find it, I stated how damn funny I find it that people rip on Nicely and have this fear that he will be "Derek Anderson".

I will say it again...if Patrick Nicely in college is like Derek Anderson in college...these next 3 years are going to be a lot of fun for Zips fans!

[Captain Kangaroo]

I'll add some of the Captain's comments to the list that includes "he looks good in the pocket" and "I like his size". The problem is, a QB has to also complete passes, and move the offense down the field. As ZachTheZip says...baseless optimism.

Funny.... when ZachTheZip states an opinion, it makes me bullish about the opposing view.

[Dave in Green]

I need to vent a little bit....

This whole QB situation has just been upsetting to me. After seeing what we've seen from these two QBs, I can't see anything about this decision to get excited about. And the designated starter is now facing the disadvantage of having received diminished reps with the first teamers with only 10 days left til opening day. I'm not sure that's the way they wanted it to be. But, from what we saw in 2009, I think it's understandable if they wanted to do plenty of evaluation before making a decision. I unfortunately see the Quinn vs. Anderson comparisons that many of you are seeing. Meanwhile, lowly Ken+ State has a freshman QB step in last year and play only 2/3 of the season, throw for well over 2,000 yards, including two late-season starts in which he threw for nearly 400 yards, and looks to have the potential for an amazing future. Barring any unforseen events, they probably have a solid starter for the next 3 seasons, with several good performances already under his belt. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir with many of you who are done with the "they just need more experience" talk. I had hoped that Akron was at the point where we could nab a Charlie Frye-caliber QB once every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to hope a little longer, unless our selected 2010 starter makes a dramatic improvement from what we've seen thus far from these two individuals.

Nice thought, but how many college teams in the country regularly get an NFL-caliber QB every 5 years?

Hard to say how polished Nicely will become over the course of the next three seasons. But at least he has the size and arm strength to be a potential NFL QB, and those are two things that can't be taught. All the areas of criticism where Nicely could stand improvement are things that can be learned. It remains to be seen how much he will learn and how well he can consistently execute. The same situation exists on the basketball team with Zeke Marshall. He has the size and speed to be a potential NBA player someday. But he also displayed areas of weakness in his freshman season. No one really knows how advanced either of these players will be by the time they graduate. We know where they've been, but we don't know where they're going.

[johnnyzip84]

I need to vent a little bit....

This whole QB situation has just been upsetting to me. After seeing what we've seen from these two QBs, I can't see anything about this decision to get excited about. And the designated starter is now facing the disadvantage of having received diminished reps with the first teamers with only 10 days left til opening day. I'm not sure that's the way they wanted it to be. But, from what we saw in 2009, I think it's understandable if they wanted to do plenty of evaluation before making a decision. I unfortunately see the Quinn vs. Anderson comparisons that many of you are seeing. Meanwhile, lowly Ken+ State has a freshman QB step in last year and play only 2/3 of the season, throw for well over 2,000 yards, including two late-season starts in which he threw for nearly 400 yards, and looks to have the potential for an amazing future. Barring any unforseen events, they probably have a solid starter for the next 3 seasons, with several good performances already under his belt. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir with many of you who are done with the "they just need more experience" talk. I had hoped that Akron was at the point where we could nab a Charlie Frye-caliber QB once every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to hope a little longer, unless our selected 2010 starter makes a dramatic improvement from what we've seen thus far from these two individuals.

Nice thought, but how many college teams in the country regularly get an NFL-caliber QB every 5 years?

Hard to say how polished Nicely will become over the course of the next three seasons. But at least he has the size and arm strength to be a potential NFL QB, and those are two things that can't be taught. All the areas of criticism where Nicely could stand improvement are things that can be learned. It remains to be seen how much he will learn and how well he can consistently execute. The same situation exists on the basketball team with Zeke Marshall. He has the size and speed to be a potential NBA player someday. But he also displayed areas of weakness in his freshman season. No one really knows how advanced either of these players will be by the time they graduate. We know where they've been, but we don't know where they're going.

This is a pretty balanced view on Nicely, IMHO. I'm not sure I'm ready to say Patrick WILL excel as a QB for the Zips, but I'm firmly in the camp that believes he has a far greater chance of reaching that potential than anyone else currently on the roster. As for those that doubt his potential, there are other folks besides us rose-colored glasses wearing Zip fans who also project good performances from PN7. Unless, of course, Dr Z moonlights as a writer for The Sporting News Actually I believe a Buffalo writer, who took over the TSN MAC coverage from that clown out of Muncie (Doug Zaleski), was the one responsible for selecting Nicely 1st team all-MAC pre-season QB. Why would the Buffalo writer have this opinion? Because Patrick played a very good game at UB. The UB message board had plenty of Bull fans who agreed. The general thought among UB followers was that the Zips had found themselves a QB. He also played quite well against K.E.N.T., outdueling Spencer Keith (who, I agree, is a talent to be reckoned with over the next few years, assuming he's healthy). Who really thinks we win that game without PN7? Were there poor outings out of Patrick? Of course there were. But, poor pass protection and a non-existent running game certainly didn't help his cause. The upside with Patrick is clearly tangible. His size, mobility, and arm strength are unquestionable. Can the staff get him to improve in the other areas? That's the proverbial $64,000 question.

Hey, I was hoping to see a little more improvement in this past scrimmage myself. While he didn't move the ball consistently, the two throws to Carter were outstanding. Didn't the TD indicate some degree of "touch"? I'm more than willing to see how he fares over the course of a season.

Finally, I'd caution against putting too much stock in a high school scouting report originating from one of my buddies, unless I was friends with Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Brian Kelly. This is doubly true is the aforementioned aquaintances were the same ones who predicted great things from Alex Sullivan at UA.

[skip-zip]

I need to vent a little bit....

This whole QB situation has just been upsetting to me. After seeing what we've seen from these two QBs, I can't see anything about this decision to get excited about. And the designated starter is now facing the disadvantage of having received diminished reps with the first teamers with only 10 days left til opening day. I'm not sure that's the way they wanted it to be. But, from what we saw in 2009, I think it's understandable if they wanted to do plenty of evaluation before making a decision. I unfortunately see the Quinn vs. Anderson comparisons that many of you are seeing. Meanwhile, lowly Ken+ State has a freshman QB step in last year and play only 2/3 of the season, throw for well over 2,000 yards, including two late-season starts in which he threw for nearly 400 yards, and looks to have the potential for an amazing future. Barring any unforseen events, they probably have a solid starter for the next 3 seasons, with several good performances already under his belt. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir with many of you who are done with the "they just need more experience" talk. I had hoped that Akron was at the point where we could nab a Charlie Frye-caliber QB once every 5 years or so. I guess I'll have to hope a little longer, unless our selected 2010 starter makes a dramatic improvement from what we've seen thus far from these two individuals.

Nice thought, but how many college teams in the country regularly get an NFL-caliber QB every 5 years?

Hard to say how polished Nicely will become over the course of the next three seasons. But at least he has the size and arm strength to be a potential NFL QB, and those are two things that can't be taught. All the areas of criticism where Nicely could stand improvement are things that can be learned. It remains to be seen how much he will learn and how well he can consistently execute. The same situation exists on the basketball team with Zeke Marshall. He has the size and speed to be a potential NBA player someday. But he also displayed areas of weakness in his freshman season. No one really knows how advanced either of these players will be by the time they graduate. We know where they've been, but we don't know where they're going.

This is a pretty balanced view on Nicely, IMHO. I'm not sure I'm ready to say Patrick WILL excel as a QB for the Zips, but I'm firmly in the camp that believes he has a far greater chance of reaching that potential than anyone else currently on the roster. As for those that doubt his potential, there are other folks besides us rose-colored glasses wearing Zip fans who also project good performances from PN7. Unless, of course, Dr Z moonlights as a writer for The Sporting News Actually I believe a Buffalo writer, who took over the TSN MAC coverage from that clown out of Muncie (Doug Zaleski), was the one responsible for selecting Nicely 1st team all-MAC pre-season QB. Why would the Buffalo writer have this opinion? Because Patrick played a very good game at UB. The UB message board had plenty of Bull fans who agreed. The general thought among UB followers was that the Zips had found themselves a QB. He also played quite well against K.E.N.T., outdueling Spencer Keith (who, I agree, is a talent to be reckoned with over the next few years, assuming he's healthy). Who really thinks we win that game without PN7? Were there poor outings out of Patrick? Of course there were. But, poor pass protection and a non-existent running game certainly didn't help his cause. The upside with Patrick is clearly tangible. His size, mobility, and arm strength are unquestionable. Can the staff get him to improve in the other areas? That's the proverbial $64,000 question. Hey, I was hoping to see a little more improvement in this past scrimmage myself. While he didn't move the ball consistently, the two throws to Carter were outstanding. Didn't the TD indicate some degree of "touch"? I'm more than willing to see how he fares over the course of a season.

Finally, I'd caution against putting too much stock in a high school scouting report originating from one of my buddies, unless I was friends with Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Brian Kelly. This is doubly true is the aforementioned aquaintances were the same ones who predicted great things from Alex Sullivan at UA.

I completely agree with you on the statement highlighted above. Lets hope it happens.

Since your last paragraph may have been directed at me, I am not one to put too much stock in "a buddy's opinion" myself, unless in these cases you point out, my buddies are coaches in the Cleveland area, and in some cases have been coaches in that area for decades, and in some cases also know some of the players I have referenced over the years personally. Yes, quite a bit more reliable than your average beer-swilling sports fan, I agree.

On Sullivan specifically, I reported that he was accepting Akron's offer on this board, and was flooded with responses such as, "maybe HE has interest in AKRON" or "We might take him as a walk on", etc, etc., for quite some time, before it was verified as being true. And although I have reported what I was told about his playing ability, and I am sad that he didn't stick it out, I can't recall anyone reporting to me that they predicted his greatness at Akron. But I do recall being told that he would likely redshirt his freshman year, which we know now was also accurate.

It seems as if one of the purposes of this board is to report reliable information to fellow Zips fans. I think that WAY too much predicting goes on here.

[Captain Kangaroo]

It seems as if one of the purposes of this board is to report reliable information to fellow Zips fans. I think that WAY too much predicting goes on here.

I like the predicting that goes on here. Especially when it is provided by people whose opinion I value. It is interesting, and I learn something from it.

It is easy to attend a game, watch it, and say "This it what happened....", reeling off what everyone witnessed. Any clown can do that.

It is also easy to expound using universal truths - "You win some, you lose some...in the end it really doesn't matter who wins and loses .. kids will be kids, and everyone has their ups and downs in life...hey, who here hasn't made mistakes?....and on and on and on...." You can write the same post regarding absolutely any event or individual athlete.

It is easy to parrot someone else's thoughts. It saves you from the effort of thinking for yourself. This is the ESPN/WKNR SportsTalk Syndrome. Lot's of people need this direction in the life... because...well..they just aren't all too insightful. The think they are, but they aren't.

It is more worthwhile to hear someone say, prior to the game, "He's how I think things are going to play out, and here's why..." The same goes for prediction an individual player's performance, or career promise. In a way, it is like recruiting. Coaches see a kid at 16 years old, and have to predict what he'll be like as a 22 year old man when making a decision whether or not to offer him a scholarship. The best recruiters have a knack for it.

The best posters here also have a knack for foretelling how Zip-related things will pan out. Everyone should learn from them.

[johnnyzip84]

I completely agree with you on the statement highlighted above. Lets hope it happens.

Since your last paragraph may have been directed at me, I am not one to put too much stock in "a buddy's opinion" myself, unless in these cases you point out, my buddies are coaches in the Cleveland area, and in some cases have been coaches in that area for decades, and in some cases also know some of the players I have referenced over the years personally. Yes, quite a bit more reliable than your average beer-swilling sports fan, I agree.

On Sullivan specifically, I reported that he was accepting Akron's offer on this board, and was flooded with responses such as, "maybe HE has interest in AKRON" or "We might take him as a walk on", etc, etc., for quite some time, before it was verified as being true. And although I have reported what I was told about his playing ability, and I am sad that he didn't stick it out, I can't recall anyone reporting to me that they predicted his greatness at Akron. But I do recall being told that he would likely redshirt his freshman year, which we know now was also accurate.

It seems as if one of the purposes of this board is to report reliable information to fellow Zips fans. I think that WAY too much predicting goes on here.

Looking back at the Sullivan thread (link), I'll concede that greatness at UA was not exactly predicted. My apologies BUT, your sources clearly thought the Zips had someone special by all of the Red and Silver references. You might say Alex wasn't given a fair shot here to prove or disprove that opinion. I don't think that's the case. But that's really another story.

Link

I know you've never actually said the words, but from your comments about Nicely it seems as though you think he has little to zero chance of being a quality QB for the Zips. It's just as hard for me to draw that conclusion at this point in time as it is for me to think he'll be a star for the next 3 years.

Predictions and speculation are a big part of what a sports message board is all about. We discuss. We agree sometimes. We disagree others. No biggie to me. If we had to wait just for reliable information on Zip sports for every post, I think it might get a tad boring in here.

[skip-zip]

I completely agree with you on the statement highlighted above. Lets hope it happens.

Since your last paragraph may have been directed at me, I am not one to put too much stock in "a buddy's opinion" myself, unless in these cases you point out, my buddies are coaches in the Cleveland area, and in some cases have been coaches in that area for decades, and in some cases also know some of the players I have referenced over the years personally. Yes, quite a bit more reliable than your average beer-swilling sports fan, I agree.

On Sullivan specifically, I reported that he was accepting Akron's offer on this board, and was flooded with responses such as, "maybe HE has interest in AKRON" or "We might take him as a walk on", etc, etc., for quite some time, before it was verified as being true. And although I have reported what I was told about his playing ability, and I am sad that he didn't stick it out, I can't recall anyone reporting to me that they predicted his greatness at Akron. But I do recall being told that he would likely redshirt his freshman year, which we know now was also accurate.

It seems as if one of the purposes of this board is to report reliable information to fellow Zips fans. I think that WAY too much predicting goes on here.

Looking back at the Sullivan thread (link), I'll concede that greatness at UA was not exactly predicted. My apologies BUT, your sources clearly thought the Zips had someone special by all of the Red and Silver references. You might say Alex wasn't given a fair shot here to prove or disprove that opinion. I don't think that's the case. But that's really another story.

Link

I know you've never actually said the words, but from your comments about Nicely it seems as though you think he has little to zero chance of being a quality QB for the Zips. It's just as hard for me to draw that conclusion at this point in time as it is for me to think he'll be a star for the next 3 years.

Predictions and speculation are a big part of what a sports message board is all about. We discuss. We agree sometimes. We disagree others. No biggie to me. If we had to wait just for reliable information on Zip sports for every post, I think it might get a tad boring in here.

On the first highlighted item, I do NOT think that Alex was not given a fair chance. But, I was hopeful that he would have stuck around long enough for us to see some of his abilities. And actually, considering the number of experienced guards ahead of him, I'm still surprised that we brought in another small guard at that time, regardless of his accolades. Obviously, our coaches were impressed with what they had seen/heard about him. The Red and Silver references are related to my disdain for OSWho

Back to football...

On the second highlighted item, I was actually was initially quite surprised by the negatives I heard about his game before he came here, and I don't like a lot of what I've seen of him since he's been here. And unfortunately, most of what I've seen has been consistent with what I was told to expect.

On the third item, you are probably RIGHT. But, I could surely get by with a lot less of the "I'm right...You're wrong" fortune tellers, and the name-calling, which keeps so many other older fans I know away from here. But I appreciate your comments, especially since I know you're one of the older posters as well. I just try to pass along good information whenever I have it.

[ZachTheZip]

Back to the QB situation, does anybody know when practice starts today?

[Captain Kangaroo]

But, I could surely get by with a lot less of the "I'm right...You're wrong" fortune tellers, and the name-calling, which keeps so many other older fans I know away from here.

I agree. I know a lot of old guys who absolutely can't stand the fortune-telling, doom-and-gloom spouting worry worts on this board. They view ZipsNation as a bunch of whiners who never can place a positive outlook on anything. All they do is worry and complain. Or, complain and worry.

How can we fix that, and get those coveted "old guys" to participate?

I also agree the name-calling on this board is out of control. I will contact a Mod and see what they can do about it.

[johnnyzip84]

I completely agree with you on the statement highlighted above. Lets hope it happens.

Since your last paragraph may have been directed at me, I am not one to put too much stock in "a buddy's opinion" myself, unless in these cases you point out, my buddies are coaches in the Cleveland area, and in some cases have been coaches in that area for decades, and in some cases also know some of the players I have referenced over the years personally. Yes, quite a bit more reliable than your average beer-swilling sports fan, I agree.

On Sullivan specifically, I reported that he was accepting Akron's offer on this board, and was flooded with responses such as, "maybe HE has interest in AKRON" or "We might take him as a walk on", etc, etc., for quite some time, before it was verified as being true. And although I have reported what I was told about his playing ability, and I am sad that he didn't stick it out, I can't recall anyone reporting to me that they predicted his greatness at Akron. But I do recall being told that he would likely redshirt his freshman year, which we know now was also accurate.

It seems as if one of the purposes of this board is to report reliable information to fellow Zips fans. I think that WAY too much predicting goes on here.

Looking back at the Sullivan thread (link), I'll concede that greatness at UA was not exactly predicted. My apologies BUT, your sources clearly thought the Zips had someone special by all of the Red and Silver references. You might say Alex wasn't given a fair shot here to prove or disprove that opinion. I don't think that's the case. But that's really another story.

Link

I know you've never actually said the words, but from your comments about Nicely it seems as though you think he has little to zero chance of being a quality QB for the Zips. It's just as hard for me to draw that conclusion at this point in time as it is for me to think he'll be a star for the next 3 years.

Predictions and speculation are a big part of what a sports message board is all about. We discuss. We agree sometimes. We disagree others. No biggie to me. If we had to wait just for reliable information on Zip sports for every post, I think it might get a tad boring in here.

On the first highlighted item, I do NOT think that Alex was not given a fair chance. But, I was hopeful that he would have stuck around long enough for us to see some of his abilities. And actually, considering the number of experienced guards ahead of him, I'm still surprised that we brought in another small guard at that time, regardless of his accolades. Obviously, our coaches were impressed with what they had seen/heard about him. The Red and Silver references are related to my disdain for OSWho

Back to football...

On the second highlighted item, I was actually was initially quite surprised by the negatives I heard about his game before he came here, and I don't like a lot of what I've seen of him since he's been here. And unfortunately, most of what I've seen has been consistent with what I was told to expect.

On the third item, you are probably RIGHT. But, I could surely get by with a lot less of the "I'm right...You're wrong" fortune tellers, and the name-calling, which keeps so many other older fans I know away from here. But I appreciate your comments, especially since I know you're one of the older posters as well. I just try to pass along good information whenever I have it.

Truth be told, there weren't any actually Red and Silver references.....it was Suckeyes. I just wanted to switch it up a little for Buckzip I rather like it that "Red and Silver" has caught on here. A guy I used to work with provided the inspiration.

[Dave in Green]

Any clown can try to do anything. Whatever anyone tries to do, some do it better than others. Some are better at forecasting. Some are better at observing and reporting. Some are better at understanding and respecting the effect of universal truths on everything.

One universal truth is that what we say about others says a lot about us. There's a natural tendency to build up that which we most value and dismiss that which matters less to us. But we all have different value priorities, and we all express our respect and disrespect a little differently.

We come to forums with a common interest -- Zips sports in the case of ZN.O -- but for different reasons and with different attitudes. Each of us has something to teach and each of us has something to learn.

The magic of a good forum, or any gathering of people with diverse backgrounds, is when we overcome our prejudices and open our minds to learning something from everyone.

[xu9697]

Have to say this guys...

I go to a few forums for various teams I follow (along with a few that deal with urban development).

In regards to the sports/school forums I go to...ZipNation is on the HIGHER end of posters being respectful, thoughtful, etc.

I guess, as a 36 year old male, I am probably somewhere in the middle (maybe SLIGHTLY towards the younger end) of the demographics of the board.

Sorry to go off topic again, but truly this is a great forum and has only helped ENCOURAGE me to become a bigger fan of the Zips and the University (of which I have no official affiliation).

[akronad]

Well, I guess it time to support a QB. Nicely will be taking the snaps. I thought this might be the case, only because Rogers had to came back from a majr injury. Now that we have nanmed a starting QB, it is time to start getting ourselves ready for 'Cuse.

GO ZIPS!!!!

[dreal1scout]

Any clown can try to do anything. Whatever anyone tries to do, some do it better than others. Some are better at forecasting. Some are better at observing and reporting. Some are better at understanding and respecting the effect of universal truths on everything.

One universal truth is that what we say about others says a lot about us. There's a natural tendency to build up that which we most value and dismiss that which matters less to us. But we all have different value priorities, and we all express our respect and disrespect a little differently.

We come to forums with a common interest -- Zips sports in the case of ZN.O -- but for different reasons and with different attitudes. Each of us has something to teach and each of us has something to learn.

The magic of a good forum, or any gathering of people with diverse backgrounds, is when we overcome our prejudices and open our minds to learning something from everyone.

Well said.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Well, I guess it time to support a QB. Nicely will be taking the snaps. I thought this might be the case, only because Rogers had to came back from a majr injury. Now that we have nanmed a starting QB, it is time to start getting ourselves ready for 'Cuse.

GO ZIPS!!!!

Who knew? I, for one, and absolutely shocked.

I thought it might be the case because...well...Nicely is a lot better quarterback.

Somewhere, Mike Rasor is weeping.

[Dr Z]

Telling thread. It will be fun to refer back to.

Congrats PN7, Don't Look Back!