Kangaroo Craig Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Bowling Green (5-2): Can clinch with a victory at Toledo or a loss by Akron to Can't State. A Bowling Green loss and an Akron victory would eliminate the Falcons. Akron (4-3): Must defeat Can't State and Bowling Green would have to lose to Toledo. Akron holds the head-to-head tiebreaker over Bowling Green. A loss would eliminate the Zips. MAC West Northern Illinois (5-2): Will clinch the MAC West with a victory against Western Michigan. A loss would eliminate the Huskies. Toledo (5-2): Needs to defeat Bowling Green and for Western Michigan to defeat Northern Illinois. A loss eliminates Toledo. Western Michigan (5-2): Must defeat Northern Illinois and needs Toledo to lose to Bowling Green. A loss or a Toledo victory would eliminate Western Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Go Toledo! In years past I would have thought BG wins because we never get a break. Things are finally starting to roll our way. Playing Can't on Turkey Day for the MAC East tiltle, man what a day that would be. Come on Rockets!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 So the Miami / OU game has ZERO effect on us. Here is the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I still don't get how Dave is right. Some of the posts in other threads make more sense. But Dave is usually right. Guess that I am rooting for CMU and NIU just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 O.K. If OU defeats Miami and Toledo defeats B.G. and Akron defeats Can't,then we have a two way tie between Akron and B.G.,which Akron defeated earlier this year. Therefore Akron wins the East. BUT!!! If Miami defeats OU this Monday, then the only way that Akron can win the East is for the following to happen:(three way tie) A.) This Saturday, C. Mich must beat Ball St B.) This Tuesday Toledo must beat B.G. c.) This Wednesday N. Ill must beat W. Mich d.) This Thursday Akron must beat Can't. In other words : The two-way tie and the three-way tie The three way tie in this case, would result in Akron winning the East, since although Miami has been eliminated in every case ,by winning against OU, they can force a three-way tie , if the games a-d mentioned above turn out as I mentioned. The tie-breaking procedure would then revert back to the first test, which is head-to head, against B.G., who Akron defeated So this Saturday, root for C. Mich defeat Ball St, since the two-way tie scenario might not work out for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 hopefully toledo will beat bg. i just hate having the fate of your team in somone elses hands. i was so sure michigan state would have beat the rainbow warriors last year, and that fell through.hopefully toledo will rebound ,and beat bg for us.we had our chances at ball state; so no reason to complain if things don't work out. beat can't!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy989 Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 If Miami defeats OU this Monday, then the only way that Akron can win the East is for the following to happen:(three way tie) A.) This Saturday, C. Mich must beat Ball St B.) This Tuesday Toledo must beat B.G. c.) This Wednesday N. Ill must beat W. Mich d.) This Thursday Akron must beat Can't. So this Saturday, root for C. Mich defeat Ball St, since the two-way tie scenario might not work out for us. Not so fast my friend.. I believe the CMU-BSU game is almost irrelevant as well cause the Zips pick up a win no matter who wins. And Miami cannot overtake the Zips in the three-way tie-breaker, period. A CMU win gives the Zips a second way to win a three-way tie breaker but it is not a must.... B,C,D are musts...Toledo/BG and NIU/WMU are the key games and of course the Zips would need to stomp the flushes. See if this adds up to you. I 've been looking at this over and over... I agree a two-way tie with BG is best scenario. Although I believe the Zips still have the advantage in 2 out of 3 three-way tie scenarios. The only bad three-way tie is if WMU beats NIU. Background info on 3 way tie scenarios: 1) MAC EAST FINAL STANDINGS Akron 5-3 BG 5-3 Miami 5-3 2) Three-way tie is resolved by the winning percentage of cross-divisional opponents. CURRENT STANDINGS BG >> BSU, WMU, Toledo 14-7 Akron >> BSU, CMU, NIU 13-8 Miami >> CMU. NIU, EMU 11-10 3)If we assume Toledo beats BG and Miami wins and Akron wins to force the 3 way tie, then BG has one loss with Toledo and needs WMU to Beat NIU to win the MAC East. Cuz the Zips will get a win out of BSU-CMU no matter who wins the game (it's better for us if CMU wins cuz then BG gets 2 losses but it really doesn't matter. Cuz if we tie BG we win on head-to-head.) Scenario #1: Advantage Zips THE ASSUMPTIONS: Zips win vs Can't BG loses to Toledo Miami win vs OU BSU over CMU NIU over WMU.... THE FINAL STANDINGS Akron 15-9 BG 15-9 Miami 13-11 (we'll assume EMU over Buffalo) Miami is eliminated because, even if all three opps win (CMU, NIU and EMU) it will give the Zips 2 wins as well and Akron finishes 1 game ahead of Miami. (Head-to-head does not apply in the three-way tie-breaker.) So, while on paper this is a three-way tie, it is really a two-way tie with BG and the Zips. Zips win on head-to-head by virtue of 24-14 win over BG. Scenario#2: Advantage Zips THE ASSUMPTIONS Zips win vs Can't BG loses to Toledo Miami win vs OU CMU over BSU NIU over WMU THE FINAL STANDINGS Akron 15-9 BG 14-10 Miami 13-11 Zips win on three-way tie-breaker Scenario#3: Advantage BG Zips win vs Can't BG loses to Toledo Miami win vs OU BSU over CMU WMU over NIU Akron 14-10 BG 16-8 Miami 11-13 BG Wins on three-way tie-breaker. Who would have thought it may all come down to 1st-and-goal in Muncie??? Damn.. So... 1) Root for Toledo on Tues.... otherwise nothing else matters... 2) Root for NIU on Wednesday... and then 3) Go to the Bowl Thanksgiving morning and watch our Zips win the MAC EAST!!! 4) Zips vs NIU rematch in MACC in Detroit??? Cool.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Zippy989, Nice work. But I do not believe CMU vs Ball ST is significant. A win for CMU is a win for us and a loss for us, but it is just a loss for B.G(if i am correct, b.g played bsu and beat them)??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Zippy989, I will double check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Zippy989, Are you looking at overall winning percentages of west opponents or MAC winning percentages of west opponents.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Zippy989, Refer to your post where you mention 'CURRENT STANDINGS' If Ball St beats CMU then Akron is 14-9 and B.G is 15-7. Then even if N.Ill defeats WMU Akron would end up at 15-9 and B.G at 15-8. 15-8 is a better winning percentage than 15-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Zippy989 Correction: Again refer to your "current standings" If CMU beats Ball St , B.G goes to 14-8, Akron goes to 14-9 If Toledo beats B.G, B.G goes to 15-8. If N. Ill beats WMU, B.G. goes to 15-9, Akron goes to 15-9 Therefore Akron wins.(as you said) If Ball St beats CMU, B.G. goes to 15-7, Akron goes to 14-9. If Toledo beats B.g, B.G goes to 16-7 If N.ill beats WMU , B.G goes to 16-8, Akron goes to 15-9 Therefore B.G wins. My point is, since we need Toledo to beat B.G. and N.Ill to beat WMU, the game between Ball St and CMU is significant since we cannot win a three-way tie without a CMU victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 OK, I see that this is very confusing. What has me totally amazed is that ESPN or someone in the press hasn't picked up on the complete and total disaster the MAC is this year. You know that the press would be able to get the ear of someone in the MAC office to set this entire thing straight. It would make GREAT conversation for all the sports nuts, even if it is only the MAC. In the end, this season is ending very similar to last season. A must win final game for Akron to Make the MACC (though last year was more cut and dry). Though I admit we didn't have a stellar year, it still says something that we are still in the race. Also, Akron is again depending on someone else to win a game for us to get to the post season. I wouldn't be suprised if we get screwed again this year. The media will want BG to win the MAC East because of Omar (he is a truly outstanding player). I guess after what happened in Hawaii last year and what happend to the Akron Soccer team seeding this year, I'm convinced that it where your team ends up isn't 100% dependent on how you perform on the field. Here's my prediction: Akron Blows out Can't. BG beats Toledo w/ a little help from the ref's. We all turn our attention to soccer/basketball/rifle So telling that this year's motto is exactly what will keep us out of the hunt. THREE MORE FEET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zff Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 BigZipGuy, Is correct. The threee way tie bareaker is the winning % of the MAC West teams you played. The Zips need CMU, NIU, and Toledo to all win if Miami should be OU. Period end of story!!!! Or if OU beats Miami then we just need Toledo to win. Period end of story. And this is the Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip37 Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 All this gives me a head throb-- it violates the KISS principle. I'm just going to wait and hope the Broken Urnal gets it right. With ball amminition lock and load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Zippy989, thanks for laying this out. In scenario 1 and 2, I don't think that you are counting the Toledo win over BG as an extra point for BG. If you did, BG would get an extra point in both scenario 1 and 2 giving us 1 shot to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 I think the most interesting thing is -- although there is a lot that needs to happen for the Zips to get to Detroit -- it actually doesn't seem out of the realm of reality. The great thing is we aren't looking for Buffalo to knock of Toledo or something like that. I hate to say it, but this is all a moot point if we run QB sneak at BSU. Tell me coaches don't really win and lose game and I'll point to that game every time. So you guys can continue to sing JD's praises -- I say the jury is still out considering the lackluster inconsistent play of this team and the poor play calling when it counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 So you guys can continue to sing JD's praises -- I say the jury is still out considering the lackluster inconsistent play of this team and the poor play calling when it counts. In the two years JD has been here, Akron has been in contention for the MACC going into the last game and we pull in the #2 recruiting class. I'm still onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Here are two things that I know for sure. 1.) BG wins against Toledo and no other scenario matters. BG is in. Remember guys. They still have a one game lead on us, and if they win there is no way we can make that up. 2.) Zips loose to Can't (I hang myself for one) no other scenario matters. Lets take care of these two things first and then we can let the rest of it all pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 So you guys can continue to sing JD's praises -- I say the jury is still out considering the lackluster inconsistent play of this team and the poor play calling when it counts. Unlike Owens/Winters, who were so very "clutch" when the game was on the line. I'm sure Winters' patented 3rd-and-8 draw play would have gotten us at least 45 points vs. Ball State and Owens' D would have held BSU to only 5 or 6 TD's...or 7. Dude...to get 6 wins this year with the players we have is a good coaching job. 90% of the best recruiting class in the MAC was redshirted. We are ok. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 You can call me crazy all you want, but I'm not the one who blew the BSU game that would be JD. The game that with a win of Can't has us in the MAC Championship. Guess what he has put us there yet so I guess he's just as good as Owens so far. I was one of the first on this board to call for his firing by the way. All I would have like to have heard after the game was I let the team down for not calling a QB sneak on the goal line. How about some accountability. You talk about the lack of talent on this team -- well with that lack of talent a QB sneak and they are in the MAC Championship. You do need to remember you've got a Big East recrutied QB in there -- doesn't that account for something? How about Biggs and Hixon -- you saying they aren't talented. I don't think this team is untalented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Score: At the half Ball ST 14 C. Mich 10 C. Mich scored a TD with 10 seconds left in the half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Big Zip, you are going to have to eat your words. Since when were you an Owens-lover? JD is the Real Deal; he can coach, he can recruit. You are such a naysayer. Tell you what - if in three years we're not a conference powerhouse, I'll take you to lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Update: 3:44 to go in the 3rd qtr at Muncie: Ball St 21 C. Mich 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzipguy Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Going to overtime at Muncie C. Mich 24 Ball st 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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