Akron September opponent's coach in hot water?

[GP1]

Tressel had a documented problem of reporting violations in a timely manner, If this is all true, it is the very definition of loss of institutional control, which would result in the severest of penalties from the NCAA.

He did have trouble reporting in a timely manner. Even worse, he had trouble following the rules over and over again. There is no way on God's green Earth he didn't know giving a recruit a jersey was a violation.If anyone is interested, Google "lack of institutional control". A PDF file comes up as one of the first choices. It is rather long. It looks like an NCAA document that is rather detailed. Maybe one of the Mods could help us out and post it on this tread.

[Dave in Green]

That document would take up quite a bit of space here. It's easy enough to link to:Lack of Institutional Control Document

[ZachTheZip]

Tressel essentially hired Gene Smith. Smith had Tress' seal of approval, so he was the one who got the job. I am certain that there was an understanding between the two, something along the lines of "You let me do my thing, no questions asked, and I'll make sure you are the one who gets the job." And so Smith stopped the paper trail. OSU's legal department should all be fired. The first rule of Legal at a large institution is document everything, also known as the CYA rule. They should have noticed this some time in the six years that it had been going on.

[Dave in Green]

Before the tOSU scandal broke, AD Gene Smith, a former member of the NCAA infractions committee, was asked by CBS Sports how to penalize a school when the wrongdoers -- coach, players -- have departed."It's still an institutional issue," Smith said. "At the end of the day, the institution has to suffer." That was then. What about now? How would he react if the NCAA imposes sanctions on tOSU beyond what tOSU has self-imposed?"I'll be shocked and disappointed and on the offensive," Gene Smith said last week. "Unless something new arises from where we are today, it'll be behavior [from me] you haven't witnessed." Cleanup of college football needs to start in Columbus

[Dave in Green]

tOSU called the "tipping point" for a new, tougher era of NCAA enforcement.ADs, consider this a warning: NCAA isn't playing nice anymore

[Dr Z]

That document would take up quite a bit of space here.

How about this, copy and paste at smallest text size. Still long though.PRINCIPLES OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL AS PREPARED BY THE NCAA COMMITTEE ON INFRACTIONSA. "CONTROL" IS DEFINED IN COMMON-SENSE TERMS.In determining whether there has been a lack of institutional control when a violation of NCAArules has been found it is necessary to ascertain what formal institutional policies and procedureswere in place at the time the violation of NCAA rules occurred and whether those policies andprocedures, if adequate, were being monitored and enforced. It is important that policies andprocedures be established so as to deter violations and not merely to discover their existenceafter they have taken place. In a case where proper procedures exist and are appropriatelyenforced, especially when they result in the prompt detection, investigation and reporting of theviolations in question, there may be no lack of institutional control although the individual orindividuals directly involved may be held responsible.In a situation in which adequate institutional procedures exist, at least on paper, a practical,common-sense approach is appropriate in determining whether they are adequately monitoredand enforced by a person in "control." Obviously, general institutional control is exercised by thechief executive officer of a member institution. However, it is rare that the chief executive officerwill make decisions specifically affecting the operations of the institution's athletics program.Instead, the day-to-day duties of operation, including compliance with NCAA rules, will have beendelegated to subordinates either by specific action or by the creation of appropriate jobdescriptions. Moreover, it is usually left to senior subordinates, such as the director of athletics,further to delegate various duties regarding compliance with NCAA rules.In most institutions, especially those with large and varied athletics programs, such delegationsare made to a number of individuals who are expected to exercise control over compliance withregard to specific aspects of the program. The specific obligations of such individuals should bein writing, and not merely an understanding among the senior officials of the university and theathletics department. Not only the director of athletics, but other officials in the athleticsdepartment, the faculty athletics representative, the head coaches and the other institutionaladministrators outside of the athletics department responsible for such matters as the certificationof athletes for financial aid, practice and competition, are expected to assume a primary role inensuring compliance. Even though specific action has been taken to place responsibilityelsewhere, these individuals will be assumed to be operating on behalf of the institution withrespect to those responsibilities that are logically within the scope of their positions. Their failureto control those matters so as to prevent violations of NCAA rules will be considered the result of alack of institutional control.B. VIOLATIONS THAT DO NOT RESULT FROM A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.An institution cannot be expected to control the actions of every individual who is in some wayconnected with its athletics program. The deliberate or inadvertent violation of a rule by anindividual who is not in charge of compliance with rules that are violated will not be considered tobe due to a lack of institutional control:• if adequate compliance measures exist;• if they are appropriately conveyed to those who need to be aware of them;• if they are monitored to ensure that such measures are being followed; and• if, on learning that a violation has occurred, the institution takes swift action.C. ACTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO DEMONSTRATE A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.The following examples of a lack of institutional control are not exclusive, but they should provideimportant guidance to institutions as to the proper control of their NCAA compliance affairs.1. A person with compliance responsibilities fails to establish a proper system forcompliance or fails to monitor the operations of a compliance systemappropriately.When an individual is responsible for ensuring that a particular rule or set of rules is notviolated, that person will be considered to be exercising institutional control. Thatindividual must not only ensure that the rules are known by all who need to know them butmust also make proper checks to ensure that the rules are being followed.It is important for institutions to understand that the mere compilation and distribution ofrules and regulations, along with written compliance procedures, is not sufficient if no oneregularly checks on the actual operations of the system.2. A person with compliance responsibilities does not take steps to alter thesystem of compliance when there are indications the system is not working.If a system of control is in place, a single deviation by a member of the athletics staff or arepresentative of the institution's athletics interests will not be considered a lack ofinstitutional control. However, if there are a number of violations, even if they all are minor,indicating that the compliance system is not operating effectively, the person(s)responsible cannot ignore the situation, but must take steps to correct the compliancesystem.3. A supervisor with overall responsibility for compliance, in assigning duties tosubordinates, so divides responsibilities that, as a practical matter, no one is, orappears to be, directly in charge.The failure to designate who is responsible for ensuring compliance with NCAA rules is aserious breach of the obligations of a university athletics administrator. Individuals areunable to operate appropriately if they are uncertain of their duties and obligations.Moreover, those subordinates who are not in charge must know who is. They need toknow the person or persons to whom they can turn for advice before taking an action thatmay be questionable. They also need to know to whom and how to report violations thatcome to their attention.4. Compliance duties are assigned to a subordinate who lacks sufficient authorityto have the confidence or respect of others.A supervisor may be acting in good faith when assigning responsibility for compliance toan athletics department secretary, or a student intern, or to someone who does not havestature in the organization. Nevertheless, that very action often makes it appear that theinstitution is not serious about compliance. If coaches, alumni, boosters and others donot respect the person responsible, they may well ignore that individual. Violations thatoccur may then be considered the result of a lack of institutional control.5. The institution fails to make clear, by its words and its actions, that thosepersonnel who willfully violate NCAA rules, or who are grossly negligent inapplying those rules, will be disciplined and made subject to discharge.Any operating compliance system may be thwarted by an individual who acts secretly inviolation of the rules or who fails to ascertain whether a questionable action is or is notpermissible. If an institution does not make clear that individual violations of NCAA ruleswill result in disciplinary action against the involved individual, and if it does not actuallydiscipline those who are found to have violated such rules, it has opened the door topermitting further violations. In such a case, future violations of an individual nature willconstitute failures of institutional control.6. The institution fails to make clear that any individual involved in itsintercollegiate athletics program has a duty to report any perceived violations ofNCAA rules and can do so without fear of reprisals of any kind.Compliance is everyone's obligation. Loyalty to one's coworkers, student-athletes, orathletics boosters cannot take precedence over loyalty to the institution and itscommitment to comply with NCAA rules. There is a lack of institutional control if individualsare afraid to report violations because they have reason to fear that if they make such areport there will be negative consequences.7. A director of athletics or any other individual with compliance responsibilitiesfails to investigate or direct an investigation of a possible significant violation ofNCAA rules or fails to report a violation properly.When a director of athletics or any other individual with compliance responsibilities hasbeen informed of, or learns that there exists a possible significant violation of NCAA rules,and then fails to ensure that the matter is properly investigated, there is a lack ofinstitutional control. Similarly, if an actual violation of NCAA rules comes to the attention ofthe director of athletics or a person with compliance responsibilities and there is a failure toreport the violation through appropriate institutional channels to a conference to whichthe institution belongs and to the NCAA, such failure constitutes a lack of institutionalcontrol.8. A head coach fails to create and maintain an atmosphere for compliance withinthe program the coach supervises or fails to monitor the activities of assistantcoaches regarding compliance.A head coach has special obligation to establish a spirit of compliance among the entireteam, including assistant coaches, other staff and student-athletes. The head coachmust generally observe the activities of assistant coaches and staff to determine if theyare acting in compliance with NCAA rules. Too often, when assistant coaches areinvolved in a web of serious violations, head coaches profess ignorance, saying that theywere too busy to know what was occurring and that they trusted their assistants. Such afailure by head coaches to control their teams, alone or with the assistance of a staffmember with compliance responsibilities, is a lack of institutional control.This is not to imply that every violation by an assistant coach involves a lack of institutionalcontrol. If the head coach sets a proper tone of compliance and monitors the activities ofall assistant coaches in the sport, the head coach cannot be charged with the secretiveactivities of an assistant bent on violating NCAA rules.D. COMPLIANCE MEASURES IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF VIOLATION AS A FACTOR INDETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAS BEEN A LACK OF INSTITUTIONALCONTROL.Institutions are eager to learn what measures can be taken to reduce the likelihood that in theevent a violation does occur, it will result in a finding of a lack of institutional control. The followingare some of the steps that assist an institution in avoiding such a finding. It must be emphasized,however, that the presence of such measures are not a guarantee against such a finding. Theway in which the measures are carried out and the attitude toward compliance within the institutionare vital factors.1. The NCAA rules applicable to each operation are readily available to thosepersons involved in that operation.Those individuals involved in recruiting activities should have ready access to therecruiting rules, and those university staff members engaged in determining eligibility forfinancial aid, practice and competition should have ready access to the NCAA rulesgoverning those matters.2. Appropriate forms are provided to persons involved in specific operations toensure that they will properly follow NCAA rules.With respect to certain operations, specific forms or checklists can be of great help inassuring compliance with NCAA rules. Clerical employees may find the rules themselvesdaunting. But if they can follow a form, many problems can be obviated. This is certainlytrue with regard to such matters as ensuring that student-athletes do not receiveexcessive financial aid individually or by sport, that initial eligibility standards are met, andthat continuing eligibility standards are properly enforced.3. A procedure is established for timely communication among various universityoffices regarding determinations that affect compliance with NCAA rules.For example, there should be a method of direct communication between the registrarand the department of athletics so that the latter learns at once if an enrolled studentathletedrops a course that brings that student-athlete below the required number of unitsfor eligibility to participate.4. Meaningful compliance education programs are provided for personnel engagedin athletically related operations.It is important that new personnel, both coaches and administrative staff members,receive training regarding NCAA rules that are relevant to their positions shortly afterbeginning employment. The institution should also continue to educate its staff byconducting compliance sessions on a regular basis for all involved personnel as refreshercourses, with an emphasis on changes in NCAA rules. Not infrequently, persons whohave been involved in intercollegiate athletics for many years and who violate longstandingrules attempt to excuse their actions on the grounds that they were unaware thattheir activities constituted a violation. On occasion such personnel rely on long outdatedinterpretations of legislation that have been eliminated or dramatically altered for a numberof years.Obviously the nature and strength of the compliance education program is ofsignificance. Educational programs run by the NCAA and by various conference officesmay, because of the expertise of those involved, be superior to training by in-housepersonnel.5. Informational and educational programs are established to inform athleticsboosters of the limitations on their activities under NCAA rules and of thepenalties that can arise if they are responsible for rule violations.Distribution of rules education materials (e.g. brochures and articles) to season ticketholders is significant as are special programs for booster organizations.6. Informational and educational programs are established for student-athletesregarding the rules that they must follow.All institutions conduct information sessions for student-athletes and obtain the requiredsigned statements from each. However, the extent to which these are truly informativeand are taken seriously varies. The extent to which these sessions are made important bythe institution is a significant factor.7. An internal monitoring system is in place to ensure compliance with NCAA rules.It is of significance if, on a regular basis, a person (or persons) charged with monitoringcompliance frequently checks operations throughout the athletics department andrelated departments of the university. Such a person should make certain that requiredforms are being utilized and utilized properly. A compliance person should speak with allcoaches frequently and regularly to find out if they have any concerns or questions aboutwhat they can or cannot do or what they have already done. A compliance person shouldbe aware of what actions have been taken with regard to a variety of areas, includingrecruitment, awarding of financial aid, practice requirements and travel arrangements.From time to time the compliance person should meet with student-athletes in the varioussports to see if any problems exist. All potential violations must be reported and aninvestigation must ensue in accordance with appropriate institutional procedures.Other internal monitoring measures are also of significance, including one-on-onemeetings between coaches and the athletics director, and meetings of universitycommittees on athletics in which student-athletes and others are involved.8. An external audit of athletics compliance is undertaken at reasonable intervals.An important control exists if an independent university or outside unit undertakes auditsof the athletics enterprise to determine if there have been violations of NCAA rules and tosuggest changes in operating methods and procedures wherever such action couldeliminate the danger of future violations.9. The chief executive officer and other senior administrators make clear that theydemand compliance with NCAA rules and that they will not tolerate those whodeliberately violate the rules or do so through gross negligence.It is an important factor when the senior administrators in an institution by word and, whennecessary, by action make clear that compliance is vital. The pressure to run a winningprogram must not overcome the dedication of the institution to ethical conduct in allaspects of its athletics program and to compliance with NCAA regulations.10. The institution and its staff members have a long history of self-detecting, selfreportingand self-investigating all potential violations.

[ZachTheZip]

LSU loses two scholarships, gets put on probation.OSU will be punished more than having to "give up" some games that were already played.

[skip-zip]

The evidence is mounting. The Columbus honks are not going to be happy after the ruling. I'm sure it will be ESPN's fault. :rolleyes:Can't wait to buy one of these at Champs for $4 next year.

It's funny how your typical, brainwashed OSWho fan runs around pounding their chests when the media pays a lot of attention to them. But when it's negative, they BASH that SAME MEDIA that's given them their false sense of superiority to begin with.

[Buckzip]

Some more news came out yesterday. I wonder why none of you have posted about it yet.

[ZachTheZip]

Because it's not very interesting and doesn't affect the Zips chances against their upcoming opponent, unlike much of the other news posted in this thread.

[Buckzip]

Because it's not very interesting and doesn't affect the Zips chances against their upcoming opponent, unlike much of the other news posted in this thread.

[GP1]

Some more news came out yesterday. I wonder why none of you have posted about it yet.

ArticleAbove is an article. People can decide for themselves whether or not the ncaa's investigation is thorough.I think the ncaa is going to end the investigation here for a couple of reasons:1. The Big Ten needs a big splash this season with Nebraska coming in. The story going into the first Big Ten Championship can't be about a team on probation not being able to play in the game. The NCAA knows it and I'm sure the Big Ten is putting a lot of pressure on the ncaa about this issue. I would if I worked at the Big Ten. The Big Ten has a ton riding on this season and everyone knows it.2. OSU becoming irrelevant makes the Big Ten as irrelevant as the ACC in college football. The Big Ten needs osu to be good just like the ACC needs Florida State to be good. The ncaa knows this and will do what they have to do to protect osu.3. The real problems at osu, the con man Tressel and Pryor, are now gone and any blame can be cast upon those two since they have no forum now to defend themselves. Those two are also not required to testify in front of the ncaa now that they are no longer in college athletics.4. If you read the note above on what constitutes lack of control, osu followed the rules. The trick in college athletics is to break the rules and then install some bureaucracy over the broken rules to make it look like the school is trying to correct the problem. Repeat cycle. osu does a good job of breaking rules and then making it look like they are trying to do something to stop breaking the rules. osu and their supporters don't really want to stop cheating...if they did, there wouldn't be so much interest in Urban Meyer. osu is a dirty program and doesn't mind the dirt as long as they can appear to clean it up with the right coach (a good looking white guy people from Ohio want to be conned by).5. Lastly and most importantly, the ncaa is going to stop the investigation now because if they dig any deeper, the are going to find what they already know is out there.The ncaa investigation is not thorough for a lot of reasons. Mostly, they don't want to dig deeper. None of them are good reasons unless you are osu and the Big Ten. The Big Ten will benefit just as much, if not more, than osu when the ncaa turns a blind eye to the infractions. In this landmark indecision, the ncaa will take the bcs one step closer to having it's own division and it's own set of rules.

[Doug Snyder]

Some more news came out yesterday. I wonder why none of you have posted about it yet.

ArticleAbove is an article. People can decide for themselves whether or not the ncaa's investigation is thorough.I think the ncaa is going to end the investigation here for a couple of reasons:1. The Big Ten needs a big splash this season with Nebraska coming in. The story going into the first Big Ten Championship can't be about a team on probation not being able to play in the game. The NCAA knows it and I'm sure the Big Ten is putting a lot of pressure on the ncaa about this issue. I would if I worked at the Big Ten. The Big Ten has a ton riding on this season and everyone knows it.2. OSU becoming irrelevant makes the Big Ten as irrelevant as the ACC in college football. The Big Ten needs osu to be good just like the ACC needs Florida State to be good. The ncaa knows this and will do what they have to do to protect osu.3. The real problems at osu, the con man Tressel and Pryor, are now gone and any blame can be cast upon those two since they have no forum now to defend themselves. Those two are also not required to testify in front of the ncaa now that they are no longer in college athletics.4. If you read the note above on what constitutes lack of control, osu followed the rules. The trick in college athletics is to break the rules and then install some bureaucracy over the broken rules to make it look like the school is trying to correct the problem. Repeat cycle. osu does a good job of breaking rules and then making it look like they are trying to do something to stop breaking the rules. osu and their supporters don't really want to stop cheating...if they did, there wouldn't be so much interest in Urban Meyer. osu is a dirty program and doesn't mind the dirt as long as they can appear to clean it up with the right coach (a good looking white guy people from Ohio want to be conned by).5. Lastly and most importantly, the ncaa is going to stop the investigation now because if they dig any deeper, the are going to find what they already know is out there.The ncaa investigation is not thorough for a lot of reasons. Mostly, they don't want to dig deeper. None of them are good reasons unless you are osu and the Big Ten. The Big Ten will benefit just as much, if not more, than osu when the ncaa turns a blind eye to the infractions. In this landmark indecision, the ncaa will take the bcs one step closer to having it's own division and it's own set of rules.

People here crucified OSU and predicted doom and gloom (glee for some here). When that did not occur...it was the fault of the corrupt NCAA as those here know the true facts (without doing any investigation).What word would you associate with a bunch of old guys from a rival school anxiously waiting the demise of their villain and ripping those who do not give them what they want?? Sorry...I think they are just sad.What really happened at OSU?? Alumni giving cash?? NO Easy grades?? NO Kids not going to class?? NO Kids getting in trouble with the law?? NO DUI?? NO Kids sold some of their trinkets given to them by the school and took discounts for services (something everyone else can do and GP1 is advocating for).It is OK to be skeptical...skepticism is a good thing. But the vitriol and OSU bashing went way to far. A coach lied to cover up a rather small rules infraction (IMO). He lost his job. All is right with the world.

[Buckzip]

That's what I predicted. Granted I don't believe this is over yet. However, the masses here listened to the BSPN driven agenda and fell for all of it. Most of what they "reported" was never proven to be true. These are the same types that believe Sara Palin said she can see Russia from her house, when it was Tina Fey that said it. (no not political). Even many fans of the true rival schools fans recognized that BSPN was over the top on this. They weren't reporting the news they were digging for things. Believe me or not, kool aid drinking or not. Now when the NCAA reports on the facts, posters here have an issue with it. Facts. Players sold their own stuff, clearly an NCAA crime. Fact Tressel lied when asked about it. Tressel needed to go for making the wrong call. Some will say he had good reasons for this as he was protecting his players from an FBI investigation. I say BS. He lied, bottom line. He needed to go and the school needs some form of punishment.

[GP1]

However, the masses here listened to the BSPN driven agenda and fell for all of it. Most of what they "reported" was never proven to be true.

I think if you look at the Dispatch article I linked to, the ncaa isn't bothering to look into the more serious charges because they might find something. In order to prove something, one must actually make an attempt at proving that which they charge. It's sort of like a guy stealing a car, using that car to rob a drug store and running someone over driving too fast from the crime scene. After that happens, the local district attorney decides to prosecute the guy only on a speeding charge because looking into the other stuff would be too difficult.If I was Auburn or LSU or any other school who might be in trouble, I'd be happy about this recent report. It shows the ncaa really isn't going to look into the big name schools.The damage has been done to osu. They had to get rid of the guy who was willing to cheat his butt off in order to make osu the best team in the Big Ten. Now that all of this is out in the open, they won't be able to cheat their way to success and it will create a more even playing field in the Big Ten. Tressel will always be remembered as the guy who cheated his way to success and there will always be people thinking twice about the success osu had over the past ten years.Tressel cheated at YSU and won. He cheated at osu and won. Kind of makes you think......Maybe there is something to this cheating.

[GP1]

A coach lied to cover up a rather small rules infraction (IMO). He lost his job. All is right with the world.

No. His testimony with the NCAA shows he lied because he was trying to cover up his players actions at an establishment owned by a man being investigated for Federal drug charges by the Federal government. The tat parlor dealer was later convicted. He lied in his reasoning for why he did it. He said he didn't know what to do. That's BS. As the former Athletic Director at YSU, he would have known exactly what to do. You pick up the phone and call the University legal department and have a sit down with a lawyer. Tressel covered it up because he would have lost a chance at having a successful season.There have been plenty of OSU players picked up for breaking the law, including DUI, while Tressel was the coach. One of the players mentioned in the SI article is Bo Delande. He was picked up for DUI. The kid is a walk on and Tressel didn't give him the boot. Booting a walk on is a good way to send a message to the remainder of the players on the team about DUIs. Tressel chose not to send that message.

[Buckzip]

However, the masses here listened to the BSPN driven agenda and fell for all of it. Most of what they "reported" was never proven to be true.

I think if you look at the Dispatch article I linked to, the ncaa isn't bothering to look into the more serious charges because they might find something. In order to prove something, one must actually make an attempt at proving that which they charge. It's sort of like a guy stealing a car, using that car to rob a drug store and running someone over driving too fast from the crime scene. After that happens, the local district attorney decides to prosecute the guy only on a speeding charge because looking into the other stuff would be too difficult.If I was Auburn or LSU or any other school who might be in trouble, I'd be happy about this recent report. It shows the ncaa really isn't going to look into the big name schools.The damage has been done to osu. They had to get rid of the guy who was willing to cheat his butt off in order to make osu the best team in the Big Ten. Now that all of this is out in the open, they won't be able to cheat their way to success and it will create a more even playing field in the Big Ten. Tressel will always be remembered as the guy who cheated his way to success and there will always be people thinking twice about the success osu had over the past ten years.Tressel cheated at YSU and won. He cheated at osu and won. Kind of makes you think......Maybe there is something to this cheating.

And the Dispatch article was never proven either. This was the perfect time for the NCAA to make an example of a major program, yet they couldn't. Like I said you guys are all falling for the media hype. Cheating happens everywhere in big time college sports. That doesn't make it right, but it happens. Just look at the SEC. My question to you GP1.Why do you hate Tressel so much and why do you call him a con man?I would like to have specifics. You have multiple times called him a con man and a cheater. Please give facts to back those up. I don't know Tressel personally. I only know what I see and hear from him and what I hear from his ex players. All, except the ones that were in the dog house, seem to love the guy. High school coaches in Ohio are planning to wear sweater vests the first week of the season in support. They too love the guy. People that know him love him.I know a lot of people that know him and say he is a great guy. I don't know one way or the other and don't believe everything I read or hear on either side. I have had my fights with those at OSU that beleive the guy walks on water. Their are some real goofs that I beleive pray to the guy. So I do see that side too. You don't mention the awesome things he does. OSU had a commit from a top RB in 2002. He died before he got to OSU. Tressel gave his mother a NC ring in memory of her son. That wasn't reported or made a national story. The only way some of us found out was because OSU insiders let us know. He didn't do it for publicity. Now, please tell me why he is a con man and a cheat. Facts only please.

[K92]

We are up to 28 pages now.

[Buckzip]

A coach lied to cover up a rather small rules infraction (IMO). He lost his job. All is right with the world.

No. His testimony with the NCAA shows he lied because he was trying to cover up his players actions at an establishment owned by a man being investigated for Federal drug charges by the Federal government. The tat parlor dealer was later convicted. He lied in his reasoning for why he did it. He said he didn't know what to do. That's BS. As the former Athletic Director at YSU, he would have known exactly what to do. You pick up the phone and call the University legal department and have a sit down with a lawyer. Tressel covered it up because he would have lost a chance at having a successful season.There have been plenty of OSU players picked up for breaking the law, including DUI, while Tressel was the coach. One of the players mentioned in the SI article is Bo Delande. He was picked up for DUI. The kid is a walk on and Tressel didn't give him the boot. Booting a walk on is a good way to send a message to the remainder of the players on the team about DUIs. Tressel chose not to send that message.

I completely disagree with this. Booting a walk on shows nothing. Booting an established player shows something. You know like 5* future AA Eugene Clifford, or 4* CB James Scott, or Erik Haw or Sirjo Welch, or Marcell Frost or Lousi Irizarry, or Duron Carter, or EJ Underwood or Brandon Underwood. Dorian a 5* lB was suspended for this season because of smoking weed. I could go on and on and on. But that would take away from the small little facts you have on your side. Selective facts are an interesting thing...Do you believe OSU is the only school that has DUI's?

[Buckzip]

We are up to 28 pages now.

I agree with this. However, These guys have piled on non stop with glee. It's fun to watch them cry now. :DI predict this thread will be locked very soon.

[UAZipster0305]

A coach lied to cover up a rather small rules infraction (IMO). He lost his job. All is right with the world.

No. His testimony with the NCAA shows he lied because he was trying to cover up his players actions at an establishment owned by a man being investigated for Federal drug charges by the Federal government. The tat parlor dealer was later convicted. He lied in his reasoning for why he did it. He said he didn't know what to do. That's BS. As the former Athletic Director at YSU, he would have known exactly what to do. You pick up the phone and call the University legal department and have a sit down with a lawyer. Tressel covered it up because he would have lost a chance at having a successful season.There have been plenty of OSU players picked up for breaking the law, including DUI, while Tressel was the coach. One of the players mentioned in the SI article is Bo Delande. He was picked up for DUI. The kid is a walk on and Tressel didn't give him the boot. Booting a walk on is a good way to send a message to the remainder of the players on the team about DUIs. Tressel chose not to send that message.

I completely disagree with this. Booting a walk on shows nothing. Booting an established player shows something. You know like 5* future AA Eugene Clifford, or 4* CB James Scott, or Erik Haw or Sirjo Welch, or Marcell Frost or Lousi Irizarry, or Duron Carter, or EJ Underwood or Brandon Underwood. Dorian a 5* lB was suspended for this season because of smoking weed. I could go on and on and on. But that would take away from the small little facts you have on your side. Selective facts are an interesting thing...Do you believe OSU is the only school that has DUI's?

I thought OSU was a dry campus?! I could be wrong though.

[GP1]

My question to you GP1.Why do you hate Tressel so much and why do you call him a con man?I would like to have specifics. You have multiple times called him a con man and a cheater. Please give facts to back those up.

I don't like Tressel because I don't like people who portray themselves as pure as the new fallen snow and then turn out to be something else. Decent men like Joe Paterno have lost to this cheater for years now and I don't like the fact that a dishonorable person like Tressel would use cheating to get over on a decent person like Paterno. In a decent society, Tressel would be marched to a town square and have rotten produce thrown at him by the public.He is a cheater. He cheated at YSU paying players while being involved with a corrupt CEO of Pharmor (sp?). He cheated at osu covering up for players who would have not been on the field had he not covered up for their transgressions. He had to resign because of his cheating and lying. Those are only the things we know about. His time at osu is tarnished. His records mean nothing.He is a con man because he got almost an entire state to believe he was as pure as the new fallen snow and then showed himself to be a scumbag. These high school football coaches, who really don't know him as well as they might think, are fools for wearing sweater vests. The guy had to resign in disgrace and should not be "honored" in any way, shape or form. The actions from these coaches should not be looked upon as honorable in any way. These actions are an affront to what high school coaches should be teaching and promoting to their players. The coaches need to act like grown-ups in this case and they are acting like teenagers who don't have the maturity to understand how horrible a person like Tressel really is.If you want to talk scumbag, we can do that as well. See information on him, tat parlor and Federal investigation above.Most coaches who end up like Tressel are either scumbags, con men or cheaters. Tressel is the first coach ever to hit all three marks. I guess congratulations are in order.

[Buckzip]

My question to you GP1.Why do you hate Tressel so much and why do you call him a con man?I would like to have specifics. You have multiple times called him a con man and a cheater. Please give facts to back those up.

I don't like Tressel because I don't like people who portray themselves as pure as the new fallen snow and then turn out to be something else. Decent men like Joe Paterno have lost to this cheater for years now and I don't like the fact that a dishonorable person like Tressel would use cheating to get over on a decent person like Paterno. In a decent society, Tressel would be marched to a town square and have rotten produce thrown at him by the public.He is a cheater. He cheated at YSU paying players while being involved with a corrupt CEO of Pharmor (sp?). He cheated at osu covering up for players who would have not been on the field had he not covered up for their transgressions. He had to resign because of his cheating and lying. Those are only the things we know about. His time at osu is tarnished. His records mean nothing.He is a con man because he got almost an entire state to believe he was as pure as the new fallen snow and then showed himself to be a scumbag. These high school football coaches, who really don't know him as well as they might think, are fools for wearing sweater vests. The guy had to resign in disgrace and should not be "honored" in any way, shape or form. The actions from these coaches should not be looked upon as honorable in any way. These actions are an affront to what high school coaches should be teaching and promoting to their players. The coaches need to act like grown-ups in this case and they are acting like teenagers who don't have the maturity to understand how horrible a person like Tressel really is.If you want to talk scumbag, we can do that as well. See information on him, tat parlor and Federal investigation above.Most coaches who end up like Tressel are either scumbags, con men or cheaters. Tressel is the first coach ever to hit all three marks. I guess congratulations are in order.

These are all your words. I asked for facts. Please give proof of what you say. I agree I don't think he is the Saint like many OSU fans do. I think he is like the rest of us and has his faults. However, you went way beyond that. Millions of people think he is a good guy that made a big mistake. Few think like you do. Please tell me why the few know what the millions, including those that know him personally, don'tIf you can't it is just more rumors. The entire tat parlor thing is less than a year old. You have been calling him a cheat and scumbag long before that. Please give facts and proof.

[GP1]

The entire tat parlor thing is less than a year old. You have been calling him a cheat and scumbag long before that. Please give facts and proof.

His cheating and his players getting paid at YSU was public knowledge 10 years ago. His relationship with the Pharmor executive was public knowledge. Things like the QB getting paid don't just happen. Especially $10,000 worth of getting paid. I know the former QB said Tressel didn't know, but he also doesn't know what the Pharmor guy and Tressel talked about when they were alone.Fact. He resigned in disgrace a few weeks ago, unless I missed something and he is still the osu coach. He resigned partly because he covered up information he knew about a Federal drug investigation. "Good people" don't do things like that.Fact. He put players on the field he knew would have been ruled not able to play had he provided what he knew to osu and then to the ncaa. He wanted to win more than doing the right thing.I don't believe this nonsense that Tressel was just a "good man who did something wrong". He did what he did because he believed he could get away with it. Woody was a good man who did something wrong against Clemson. Woody was at least an old man who was losing his senses. Tressel has no excuse other than his poor character.Dr. Drew once said that it takes years to cure people of opium addiction. I think it may take that long for lots of people from Ohio to get over Tressel addiction.

[Buckzip]

The entire tat parlor thing is less than a year old. You have been calling him a cheat and scumbag long before that. Please give facts and proof.

His cheating and his players getting paid at YSU was public knowledge 10 years ago. His relationship with the Pharmor executive was public knowledge. Things like the QB getting paid don't just happen. Especially $10,000 worth of getting paid. I know the former QB said Tressel didn't know, but he also doesn't know what the Pharmor guy and Tressel talked about when they were alone.Fact. He resigned in disgrace a few weeks ago, unless I missed something and he is still the osu coach. He resigned partly because he covered up information he knew about a Federal drug investigation. "Good people" don't do things like that.Fact. He put players on the field he knew would have been ruled not able to play had he provided what he knew to osu and then to the ncaa. He wanted to win more than doing the right thing.I don't believe this nonsense that Tressel was just a "good man who did something wrong". He did what he did because he believed he could get away with it. Woody was a good man who did something wrong against Clemson. Woody was at least an old man who was losing his senses. Tressel has no excuse other than his poor character.Dr. Drew once said that it takes years to cure people of opium addiction. I think it may take that long for lots of people from Ohio to get over Tressel addiction.

Again, no facts on your part. We all know about the tat stuff and him playing inelegible players. This has been out less than a year and you have been calling him a cheater a lot longer than that. Like I said, he made a bad mistake and paid for it. That doesn't make him a scumbag. Public knowledge at YSU, I never heard about it before. Please give me facts about this. I get it you hate the guy. I get it you obviously have a personal beef with him. So be it. I have given you every opportunity here to prove why he is a scumbag and cheat, before tatgate. You have given me nothing. Until you present facts, you are just another hater with nothing to back it up. You should apply at BSPN. They work without facts also.