Buckzip Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks for getting back to the topic, football. +1Bazillion It's football time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks for getting back to the topic, football.Enemy's first practice was lead by a sleep deprived first time coach. Advantage Zips! Word is, Rob sleeps like a baby before practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Thanks for getting back to the topic, football. +1Bazillion It's football time. So, serious question here, not a dig: Who do you root for when the Zips play the Bucks? You've elected to put the "Buck" ahead of the "zip" in your forum name (Buckzip rather than Zipbuck). Is that a clue to which team you support in crunch time? As a graduate of another university, I'll admit right here that I'd have a twinge if the Zips happened to play against my alma mater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Double Secret Probation According to multiple sources, the NCAA notified Columbus State by letter last week that it is still investigating other issues involving the football program. The result could be a second notice of allegations and a second trip through the NCAA justice system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 The first hearing is over. Unfortunately, the punishment will not be decided until long after we play them. Also of note is the fact that OSU's previous self-imposed punishment wasn't enough, by the admission of OSU's own AD. Sounds like a last-minute act of desperation in hopes of avoiding a proper punishment: Apparently Ohio State officials felt the penalties they had self-imposed earlier -- Tressel's departure, vacating the 2010 season including a victory in the Sugar Bowl and a two-year NCAA probation -- were not enough to mollify the NCAA's version of judge and jury. Athletic director Gene Smith said that in addition to those previous sanctions, Ohio State will forfeit its $338,811 share of the Big Ten's payment for having played in the bowl game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Sounds like a last-minute act of desperation in hopes of avoiding a proper punishment: Article The hearing is a required event by the committee who hands down punishment. No act of desperation. Tressel must attend if he ever wants to coach again in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Sounds like a last-minute act of desperation in hopes of avoiding a proper punishment: Article The hearing is a required event by the committee who hands down punishment. No act of desperation. Tressel must attend if he ever wants to coach again in college. The hearing is required, but changing the self-punishment terms in front of the committee is a desperate last-second act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 So more than half of the $800k tOSU has spent on this to date has gone to a PR firm and a firm that specializes in consulting colleges on how to minimize NCAA sanctions. The attorneys have got to be really POed about this. While $800k is chump change to high-powered attorneys, they still have to be steamed that so much of it is going to PR guys and consultants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 So more than half of the $800k tOSU has spent on this to date has gone to a PR firm and a firm that specializes in consulting colleges on how to minimize NCAA sanctions. The attorneys have got to be really POed about this. While $800k is chump change to high-powered attorneys, they still have to be steamed that so much of it is going to PR guys and consultants. Don't worry --- they all have law degrees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Columbus State Going to Skate? Judging by the brevity of the meeting -- USC's hearing took three days; Columbus State's took about four hours -- that strategy worked. Though a July 13 letter from the NCAA's enforcement staff to the Committee on Infractions reveals that the NCAA will keep digging at additional allegations of impropriety, Columbus State may have dodged serious sanctions from the violations that stuck the first time around. Because of that, everyone outside Columbus will say the Luckeyes got off light. They'll say the NCAA allowed Columbus State to skate because it is a favored program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Because of that, everyone outside Columbus will say the Luckeyes got off light. They'll say the NCAA allowed Columbus State to skate because it is a favored program. That's a terrible article. Firing Tressel is not getting hammered. Nobody knows if Tressel can win without cheating because he has never done it before. Everyone worried when Cowher left the Steelers that they couldn't get as good of a coach and they got a better coach. The same can happen at tosu. Lack of reputation? In the ncaa? What goes on in college athletics is some of the most disreputable behavior in the country. Fans don't care about their favorite school's reputation. They want to win at all costs, espeically at the bcs level. They'll probably get off light. I'll say it again, USC got hammered because they basically told ncaa investigators to stick it up their butts when they showed up. What osu has done is demonstrated how to use the rules to your advantage. tosu smartly followed the ncaa rules as they relate to lack of control and demonstrated to the rest of the ncaa how to cheat and basically not get hurt. The ncaa wants to make sure individuals and not institutions get punished when things go bad. The institutions run the ncaa, not the coaches and players so it is better to punish coaches and players than those who pay your salary. osu punished the guys involved and fired their coach. The school won't be punished bacause when the poop hit the fan, they properly filled out all of the ncaa's forms. $800K is a huge amount for Akron. That same amount of money can be made by osu coming out with a new t-shirt for fans to buy. Having to give up wins, conference championships, bowl wins, etc. is meaningless because the money was already collected through ticket sales and merchandizing, etc. I doubt almost all Sugar Bowl clothing that could be sold has been sold. The same goes for any merchandizing from 2010. Hell, this could open up an opportunity to sell additional merchandizing this season and easily make up the fines if they play their cards right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 NCAA Opening New Investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Not that it alters our game against them, but OSU linebacker Dorian Bell just transferred to Duquesne. He was one of the suspended players. It's just another sign of internal turmoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Article Leave it up to Roger Goodell to actually make me feel sorry for Pryor. There is no reason for this other than Goodell is an attention whore. He is what is wrong with making a lifelong legal bureaucrat (he has only worked for the NFL in his professional career) the leader of a professional sports league. See something you don't like....make a rule. See a player you don't like...punish him with a rule. The guy is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Article Leave it up to Roger Goodell to actually make me feel sorry for Pryor. There is no reason for this other than Goodell is an attention whore. He is what is wrong with making a lifelong legal bureaucrat (he has only worked for the NFL in his professional career) the leader of a professional sports league. See something you don't like....make a rule. See a player you don't like...punish him with a rule. The guy is terrible. Goodell for once did the right thing. Pryor jumped because he had no one to be loyal to. Sure OSU says they would have suspended him for the whole season but that is doubtful. Plus it is simply a "for show" suspension, no team would have played him right of the bat any way, way too late in preseason for him to learn enough. The whole thing is to keep others from doing the same thing. Supplemental draft is for special cases and special rules should apply. But I've noticed to you all authority is "stupid and wrong" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 ..... The whole thing is to keep others from doing the same thing. ..... Bingo. The NFL and the NCAA are on the same page that an NCAA player who violates rules and would be punished for his transgressions if he stayed in school should not be able to avoid punishment by jumping from the NCAA to the NFL. It's a lot like committing a crime in one country and crossing over the border seeking asylum in another country to escape punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 But I've noticed to you all authority is "stupid and wrong" Only authority that is stupid and wrong is stupid and wrong. Goddell is both stupid in many cases and wrong in this case...making him stupid and wrong. What Pryor did has nothing to do with his professional career. Will Goddell next suspend player from Miami who are now in the NFL and caught up in the problems going on at the U? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 It's a lot like committing a crime in one country and crossing over the border seeking asylum in another country to escape punishment. Respectfully, this is a bad point. We don't punish people in this country for crimes committed in another country. We may send them back to the country where they are charged, but we don't punish them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 The point is not who administers the punishment. The point is to prevent people from using loopholes to escape appropriate punishment. The point is that the NFL is not going to allow players who've violated NCAA rules to escape their punishment by jumping to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 It's a lot like committing a crime in one country and crossing over the border seeking asylum in another country to escape punishment. Respectfully, this is a bad point. We don't punish people in this country for crimes committed in another country. We may send them back to the country where they are charged, but we don't punish them here. See...I am always confused by your posts. Your footer throws me off. Your post is talking about committing a crime in another country and coming back but Dave's post was talking about committing a crime here and feeing to another country. You obviously are not that stupid...so it must be intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 But I've noticed to you all authority is "stupid and wrong" Only authority that is stupid and wrong is stupid and wrong. Goddell is both stupid in many cases and wrong in this case...making him stupid and wrong. What Pryor did has nothing to do with his professional career. Will Goddell next suspend player from Miami who are now in the NFL and caught up in the problems going on at the U? So having a relationship with a noted drug dealer has no impact on his NFL career? And ur point doesn't make sense considering that was years ago. The question would be if current U players who are caught as benefitting from Shapiro's "gifts" should be suspended on entrance to the league. I say yes. You will say it's sad these poor players have to be punished for "stupid rules" designed to keep corruption, collusion, and manipulation out of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 See...I am always confused by your posts. Then you have a reading comprehension problem. I can't help with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 So having a relationship with a noted drug dealer has no impact on his NFL career? Maybe, maybe not. Are we going to suspend every player coming out of college this season for five games who might have some relationship with a drug dealer? 80% of the rookies wouldn't be on the field for the first five games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel visited the Steelers' facility Thursday and watched practice. Tressel was a guest of director of football operations Kevin Colber Browns camp, Steelers camp, looks like someone is lining up his next job. Wonder how that resume reads? Pittsburgh boy makes good. $485,000 richer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Browns camp, Steelers camp, looks like someone is lining up his next job. Wonder how that resume reads? His resume? I'd love to hear the interview... HR Department: "So Jim, tell me why you are looking for a new job." Tressel: "I had to resign in disgrace from my previous employer. I'm laughing all the way to the bank though." HR Department: "Tell me about a time when you had a difficult decision to make and how you handled it." Tressel: "I was well aware some of my players were breaking NCAA rules with a drug dealer under investigation by the Federal Government. I had to decide whether it was more important to win games or tell the University compliance officer about it and having my key player suspended. After a lot of praying, I decided to pretend like I didn't know about it and lied to my employer about it. It was a very tough decision. Did I tell you we won the Sugar Bowl?" I could go on all day..... The strange thing is, in every business under the sun, with the exception of athletics, a guy like Tressel would never get another job. In the world of athletics, he will have his pick of scouting and coaching jobs in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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