xu9697 Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 To break this up a bit.... I lived in Cincy in the mid 90's when NO ONE cared about Cincy football. OK, maybe 12-15,000 people. But not the 30,000 or so that have cared for the last few years. I know some of those people...they support UC AND OSU. Obviously the Big East was huge for that interest initially, b/c it was better to see Pitt, WVU, Syracuse (even though bad), vs. seeing Memphis, East Carolina, etc. And it brought in lots of $$$ to UC. Then, of course, they started to actually WIN...another huge boost. This market is big enough to support OSU while still having good support for Akron. And the funny thing is, while some of those same teams mentioned above are in the CUSA and would be Akron's new potential opponents in CUSA, I still think it would be good for a couple years b/c it would be (as someone else said), something that differentiates Akron from the MAC schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 To break this up a bit.... I lived in Cincy in the mid 90's when NO ONE cared about Cincy football. OK, maybe 12-15,000 people. But not the 30,000 or so that have cared for the last few years. I know some of those people...they support UC AND OSU. Obviously the Big East was huge for that interest initially, b/c it was better to see Pitt, WVU, Syracuse (even though bad), vs. seeing Memphis, East Carolina, etc. And it brought in lots of $$$ to UC. Then, of course, they started to actually WIN...another huge boost. This market is big enough to support OSU while still having good support for Akron. And the funny thing is, while some of those same teams mentioned above are in the CUSA and would be Akron's new potential opponents in CUSA, I still think it would be good for a couple years b/c it would be (as someone else said), something that differentiates Akron from the MAC schools. I think you're mostly on the right thought process. The higher conference affiliation and winning would elevate Akron's national stature, and at least put us in the same neighborhood as the schools competing for a national title. I'm sure plenty of the typical Akron area OSWho bandwagoners could jump off of that wagon, and jump onto ours, if that woudl happen. That same thing seemed to happen in Cincy, and it exploded when they finally got ranked higher than OSWho. The big hurdle is that right now, most area college football fans don't even regard us as even playing in the same division as those schools. A higher conference affiliation would instantly change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozips19 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 CUSA and MW to merge? click me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosAngelesZipFan Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 So this OSU support discussion is why I continue to bring up the whole merge UA and Can't State thing. I think UA could possibly attract a Cincy-level support if and only if it had a decade of winning big, including regularly defeating BCS teams and getting top-20 rankings. And even given that, it's more likely to be like Toledo-- which has knocked off several BCS teams and even been ranked-- and yet still only garners above-average-MAC-level support. If you want big time college sports in NEO and a world class institution that really united and dominated NEO, merge Can't and Akron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 So this OSU support discussion is why I continue to bring up the whole merge UA and Can't State thing. I think UA could possibly attract a Cincy-level support if and only if it had a decade of winning big, including regularly defeating BCS teams and getting top-20 rankings. And even given that, it's more likely to be like Toledo-- which has knocked off several BCS teams and even been ranked-- and yet still only garners above-average-MAC-level support. If you want big time college sports in NEO and a world class institution that really united and dominated NEO, merge Can't and Akron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 If you want big time college sports in NEO and a world class institution that really united and dominated NEO, merge Can't and Akron. If a good kid and a bad kid are playing together, is the good kid more likely to become bad or the bad kid become good. The good kid is very likely to do bad things because it is easy to be bad. That's why good parents don't allow their children to play with bad children. No thanks on the merge. I can't think of anything "world class" about Can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 So C-USA and the Mountain West are looking to merge together. Crap schools like SMU and Houston are getting invites to the Big East, and our great school is..........doing absolutely nothing! Really makes me proud, this is one of the most crucial times in college sports history and we're destined to drop to D2. fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Crap schools like SMU and Houston are getting invites to the Big East, and our great school is..........doing absolutely nothing! Really makes me proud, this is one of the most crucial times in college sports history and we're destined to drop to D2. fantastic What would you have us do? Nobody is knocking on our door. Destined for D2? Probably not. Fantastic? It's more the natural course of things. What is happening to the MAC is nothing more than natural selection. The strong push out the weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same?How about the MAC and the S.belt. Better fit. They already play each other anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same?How about the MAC and the S.belt. Better fit. They already play each other anyway. Cheaper travel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same?How about the MAC and the S.belt. Better fit. They already play each other anyway.This is the chance I have been talking about for a while. It is happening without any NCAA telling these conferences what to do. Now is the chance for the non-BCS D-1A schools to combine into one league, break up into divisions and play each other at their level, on their own terms. It could be something exciting if they would just let it happen and not worry about the BCS schools and all the nonsense that goes along with being their doormats.West coast vs. east coast, different divisions, a playoff...this could be a fun change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same?How about the MAC and the S.belt. Better fit. They already play each other anyway.This is the chance I have been talking about for a while. It is happening without any NCAA telling these conferences what to do. Now is the chance for the non-BCS D-1A schools to combine into one league, break up into divisions and play each other at their level, on their own terms. It could be something exciting if they would just let it happen and not worry about the BCS schools and all the nonsense that goes along with being their doormats.West coast vs. east coast, different divisions, a playoff...this could be a fun change.Would have to leave the NCAA....something you would be happy with....have the rules changed Only currently allowed 13 games per year not including a bowl. the new MWC and CUSA merger can't have an extra "championship" game at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 What would the repercussions be to other sports if schools like UA ditched the NCAA in football? Could it in any way compromise the good standing of the Zips' soccer or basketball programs?I'd want to study all the implications pretty closely before going off on a wild whimsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 What would the repercussions be to other sports if schools like UA ditched the NCAA in football? Could it in any way compromise the good standing of the Zips' soccer or basketball programs?I don't see us having to leave the ncaa. This is our chance to take control of our level of football, with like schools, and do something that better benefits all of the institutions, if executed properly. We need to either leave the ncaa or start our own level of football. Either one is fine with me.To me, it is interesting how easily all of this could happen without the "guidance" of the ncaa. I also find the adjustment of leagues by teams to be as orderly as it could be at this point. Change isn't easy, but the current changes seem to be happening without the distruction of the known universe of college athletics. This change is a good thing. We should take advantage of it and change on our terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 @GP1, that sounds like a reasonable approach.How about starting with some basics:The NCAA is an organization of member colleges and universities. That is, it is not some separate organization. The NCAA only exists because colleges and universities maintain their membership in it, i.e. colleges and universities collectively run the NCAA.From the NCAA website: The NCAA is made up of three membership classifications that are known as Divisions I, II and III. Each division creates its own rules governing personnel, amateurism, recruiting, eligibility, benefits, financial aid, and playing and practice seasons – consistent with the overall governing principles of the Association. Every program must affiliate its core program with one of the three divisions.It appears to be entirely within the NCAA system for member institutions to create their own rules consistent with the NCAA's overall governing principles.It seems to me that what you are suggesting is that schools representing the lower half of Division I football should get together and create a fourth division between Divisions I and II.Is that correct, or did you have something else in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 It seems to me that what you are suggesting is that schools representing the lower half of Division I football should get together and create a fourth division between Divisions I and II.Is that correct, or did you have something else in mind?That is pretty much it. There is already I-AA that falls into D-1 somehow (probably has to so with sports other than football). I don't like it when people call my idea a "demotion" because it doesn't have anything to do with doing anything wrong. In fact, I think it can create a very positive change for college football for both BCS and non-BCS schools as long as the non-BCS school can get control of their own future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 @GP1, that sounds like a reasonable approach.How about starting with some basics:The NCAA is an organization of member colleges and universities. That is, it is not some separate organization. The NCAA only exists because colleges and universities maintain their membership in it, i.e. colleges and universities collectively run the NCAA.From the NCAA website: The NCAA is made up of three membership classifications that are known as Divisions I, II and III. Each division creates its own rules governing personnel, amateurism, recruiting, eligibility, benefits, financial aid, and playing and practice seasons – consistent with the overall governing principles of the Association. Every program must affiliate its core program with one of the three divisions.It appears to be entirely within the NCAA system for member institutions to create their own rules consistent with the NCAA's overall governing principles.It seems to me that what you are suggesting is that schools representing the lower half of Division I football should get together and create a fourth division between Divisions I and II.Is that correct, or did you have something else in mind?If any of you have satellite radio listen to Mike Leach and Jack Arute on Sirius. The show starts at NOON. They have been talking about this for a while. Leach comes up with some decent info. every once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I understand the sentiment for a division of schools similar to Akron, I really do but I just don't like it. Believe it or not I think things are getting better in the college football landscape, 15 years ago schools like Utah, TCU, and Boise State would never be on the national radar. Today they are. Granted it hasn't happened yet for Akron or the MAC but I am not willing to say that beyond all doubt the MAC can't be as competitive as a league like the Mountain West, Big East, or even ACC is now somewhere down the road.I just don't want to throw in the towel just yet on the aspirations to get to, and be considered part of, the top level of college football. The overall trend has been more inclusive not exclusive and I think Akron and the MAC for that matter should wait to see how all the changes pan out. It may somehow turn out to work to our advantage. We won't know until all the changes come to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 @GJGood, it's a tough call. With credit to Kenny Rogers:You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, Know when to walk away, know when to run. If I was a genius, I'd lay out a definitive game plan right now and shout "Go for it!" But since I'm not, I can only say that my inclination would be to do all the right due diligence to be prepared to move fast, but not move too fast just yet. The landscape is still fluid, as TCU just demonstrated. At some point there will be a good opportunity for UA to make just the right move, and we're going to have to hope the right people are in the right positions to make the smart call when the time is just right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 It's official now that the thought of schools ditching the NCAA is no longer exclusive to those on the fringe:Coach K says schools leaving NCAA 'could happen' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 those on the fringe:I am a proud member of this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 With the MWC and CUSA merging, any chance the MAC and remnants of the WAC do the same?How about the MAC and the S.belt. Better fit. They already play each other anyway.This is the chance I have been talking about for a while. It is happening without any NCAA telling these conferences what to do. Now is the chance for the non-BCS D-1A schools to combine into one league, break up into divisions and play each other at their level, on their own terms. It could be something exciting if they would just let it happen and not worry about the BCS schools and all the nonsense that goes along with being their doormats.West coast vs. east coast, different divisions, a playoff...this could be a fun change.Would have to leave the NCAA....something you would be happy with....have the rules changed Only currently allowed 13 games per year not including a bowl. the new MWC and CUSA merger can't have an extra "championship" game at this time.Lots of conferences don't have every team play every other team,like the MAC. Not a problem. BGSU doesn't play Akron and they are in the same division. Of course if you ditch the MCAA there are no rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Would have to leave the NCAA....something you would be happy with....have the rules changed Only currently allowed 13 games per year not including a bowl. the new MWC and CUSA merger can't have an extra "championship" game at this time.Lots of conferences don't have every team play every other team,like the MAC. Not a problem. BGSU doesn't play Akron and they are in the same division. Of course if you ditch the MCAA there are no rules.uh...Huh??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 SMU player sounds off about home crowds. link I know it's not about expansion, but it's an interesting viewpoint from a player at a CUSA school and I didn't want to start a new topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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