Stupidity run wild

[ZipperRoo44]

The attack on Paul Winters found elsewhere on this board is stupid. Frankly, most of the posts on the topic of the coaching search have been without foundation and are based on nothing more than some random facts that some lonely guy reads on the web at 8:30 p.m. and then spews back as if it is personal knowledge. This cycle is repeating again and again and it is sad.

It would be nice if people would stick to posting facts and things that they know first hand. Trouble is, this board and others like it would be blank if fact were a guiding light. Opinions should be based in something other than what your mind can conceive or what your barber's third cousin's carpenter told you over a beer over at the Moose Lodge. All of the ignorant posts here shape the environment that is part of the program. Akron Football is toxic - a career killer - because for all of the great things that we have going for us there is an overriding sense of false entitlement and that bricks and mortar make a championship program. It's a part, but what can anyone state factually about this program over the last 10 years other than when we played at the Rubber Bowl that we had more entertaining teams and a more Akron type attitude. Blue collar -go to work - get it done.

Here are the facts.

Akron Football is in the toilet. Easily the worst in D1 FBS football.

Akron Football has the best facilities in the MAC. These facilities have the potential to lift us up but in hindsight have made us soft.

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Larson and Dennison. We have gone the big time assistant route for the last four hires and NONE of them were ready to be a D1 head coach in all facets and NONE of them had any type of winning head coaching history on the D1 level. Not Faust, not Owens, not Brookhart of Ianello.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

The University of Akron can hire all of the consultants to help with the hire - national firms with big resumes - but in the end all politics are local. A big firm hired Rob Ianello - the biggest of them all - how did that work out? A big firm hired JD Brookhart, how did that work out?

At some point common sense has to come into play.

If there is a God then the only reason why a search firm was paid $25,000 to participate in this search was to cover the butts of the President and his overpaid administration in bringing in the most common sense coach to take over this program - Paul Winters. The problem is that none of these people have the knowledge or the fortitude to make this hire without an outside person telling them that it is OK. Most search firms want to make hires of coaches from big time schools because it makes them look better. See the previous four hires who came from Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame. Big names, big let downs.

Those who do not respect history are doomed to repeat it.

Get off the psycho cycle and make the right hire. Akron has now invested over $120,000,000 in football over the past decade with salaries, buyouts, facilities (field house, outdoor practice facility, stadium, offices) and for that the deliverable has been one MAC title and only 3 winning seasons. 43 wins, 77 losses, 3 head coaches, 3 ADs, 1 President.

There is one head coach that is still coaching a team in 2011 that can lead us to a better place.

[hiroad1]

The attack on Paul Winters found elsewhere on this board is stupid. Frankly, most of the posts on the topic of the coaching search have been without foundation and are based on nothing more than some random facts that some lonely guy reads on the web at 8:30 p.m. and then spews back as if it is personal knowledge. This cycle is repeating again and again and it is sad.

It would be nice if people would stick to posting facts and things that they know first hand. Trouble is, this board and others like it would be blank if fact were a guiding light. Opinions should be based in something other than what your mind can conceive or what your barber's third cousin's carpenter told you over a beer over at the Moose Lodge. All of the ignorant posts here shape the environment that is part of the program. Akron Football is toxic - a career killer - because for all of the great things that we have going for us there is an overriding sense of false entitlement and that bricks and mortar make a championship program. It's a part, but what can anyone state factually about this program over the last 10 years other than when we played at the Rubber Bowl that we had more entertaining teams and a more Akron type attitude. Blue collar -go to work - get it done.

Here are the facts.

Akron Football is in the toilet. Easily the worst in D1 FBS football.

Akron Football has the best facilities in the MAC. These facilities have the potential to lift us up but in hindsight have made us soft.

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Larson and Dennison. We have gone the big time assistant route for the last four hires and NONE of them were ready to be a D1 head coach in all facets and NONE of them had any type of winning head coaching history on the D1 level. Not Faust, not Owens, not Brookhart of Ianello.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

The University of Akron can hire all of the consultants to help with the hire - national firms with big resumes - but in the end all politics are local. A big firm hired Rob Ianello - the biggest of them all - how did that work out? A big firm hired JD Brookhart, how did that work out?

At some point common sense has to come into play.

If there is a God then the only reason why a search firm was paid $25,000 to participate in this search was to cover the butts of the President and his overpaid administration in bringing in the most common sense coach to take over this program - Paul Winters. The problem is that none of these people have the knowledge or the fortitude to make this hire without an outside person telling them that it is OK. Most search firms want to make hires of coaches from big time schools because it makes them look better. See the previous four hires who came from Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame. Big names, big let downs.

Those who do not respect history are doomed to repeat it.

Get off the psycho cycle and make the right hire. Akron has now invested over $120,000,000 in football over the past decade with salaries, buyouts, facilities (field house, outdoor practice facility, stadium, offices) and for that the deliverable has been one MAC title and only 3 winning seasons. 43 wins, 77 losses, 3 head coaches, 3 ADs, 1 President.

There is one head coach that is still coaching a team in 2011 that can lead us to a better place.

So, you have the only valid opinion in these forums?

You use a stupid post from one person as an argument to shut down the coaching search, and to select the guy you like best. A bit arrogant, don't you think?

I happen to disagree with you. I would be angry if UA did not conduct a thorough search to find the best coach to lead this program.

[Doug Snyder]

The attack on Paul Winters found elsewhere on this board is stupid. Frankly, most of the posts on the topic of the coaching search have been without foundation and are based on nothing more than some random facts that some lonely guy reads on the web at 8:30 p.m. and then spews back as if it is personal knowledge. This cycle is repeating again and again and it is sad.

It would be nice if people would stick to posting facts and things that they know first hand. Trouble is, this board and others like it would be blank if fact were a guiding light. Opinions should be based in something other than what your mind can conceive or what your barber's third cousin's carpenter told you over a beer over at the Moose Lodge. All of the ignorant posts here shape the environment that is part of the program. Akron Football is toxic - a career killer - because for all of the great things that we have going for us there is an overriding sense of false entitlement and that bricks and mortar make a championship program. It's a part, but what can anyone state factually about this program over the last 10 years other than when we played at the Rubber Bowl that we had more entertaining teams and a more Akron type attitude. Blue collar -go to work - get it done.

Here are the facts.

Akron Football is in the toilet. Easily the worst in D1 FBS football.

Akron Football has the best facilities in the MAC. These facilities have the potential to lift us up but in hindsight have made us soft.

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Larson and Dennison. We have gone the big time assistant route for the last four hires and NONE of them were ready to be a D1 head coach in all facets and NONE of them had any type of winning head coaching history on the D1 level. Not Faust, not Owens, not Brookhart of Ianello.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

The University of Akron can hire all of the consultants to help with the hire - national firms with big resumes - but in the end all politics are local. A big firm hired Rob Ianello - the biggest of them all - how did that work out? A big firm hired JD Brookhart, how did that work out?

At some point common sense has to come into play.

If there is a God then the only reason why a search firm was paid $25,000 to participate in this search was to cover the butts of the President and his overpaid administration in bringing in the most common sense coach to take over this program - Paul Winters. The problem is that none of these people have the knowledge or the fortitude to make this hire without an outside person telling them that it is OK. Most search firms want to make hires of coaches from big time schools because it makes them look better. See the previous four hires who came from Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame. Big names, big let downs.Those who do not respect history are doomed to repeat it.

Get off the psycho cycle and make the right hire. Akron has now invested over $120,000,000 in football over the past decade with salaries, buyouts, facilities (field house, outdoor practice facility, stadium, offices) and for that the deliverable has been one MAC title and only 3 winning seasons. 43 wins, 77 losses, 3 head coaches, 3 ADs, 1 President.

There is one head coach that is still coaching a team in 2011 that can lead us to a better place.

You started out good...but you went where everyone else goes. Stating opinion as fact.

I agree that Paul is the right guy....but that is my opinion.

[ZipperRoo44]

The attack on Paul Winters found elsewhere on this board is stupid. Frankly, most of the posts on the topic of the coaching search have been without foundation and are based on nothing more than some random facts that some lonely guy reads on the web at 8:30 p.m. and then spews back as if it is personal knowledge. This cycle is repeating again and again and it is sad.

It would be nice if people would stick to posting facts and things that they know first hand. Trouble is, this board and others like it would be blank if fact were a guiding light. Opinions should be based in something other than what your mind can conceive or what your barber's third cousin's carpenter told you over a beer over at the Moose Lodge. All of the ignorant posts here shape the environment that is part of the program. Akron Football is toxic - a career killer - because for all of the great things that we have going for us there is an overriding sense of false entitlement and that bricks and mortar make a championship program. It's a part, but what can anyone state factually about this program over the last 10 years other than when we played at the Rubber Bowl that we had more entertaining teams and a more Akron type attitude. Blue collar -go to work - get it done.

Here are the facts.

Akron Football is in the toilet. Easily the worst in D1 FBS football.

Akron Football has the best facilities in the MAC. These facilities have the potential to lift us up but in hindsight have made us soft.

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Larson and Dennison. We have gone the big time assistant route for the last four hires and NONE of them were ready to be a D1 head coach in all facets and NONE of them had any type of winning head coaching history on the D1 level. Not Faust, not Owens, not Brookhart of Ianello.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

The University of Akron can hire all of the consultants to help with the hire - national firms with big resumes - but in the end all politics are local. A big firm hired Rob Ianello - the biggest of them all - how did that work out? A big firm hired JD Brookhart, how did that work out?

At some point common sense has to come into play.

If there is a God then the only reason why a search firm was paid $25,000 to participate in this search was to cover the butts of the President and his overpaid administration in bringing in the most common sense coach to take over this program - Paul Winters. The problem is that none of these people have the knowledge or the fortitude to make this hire without an outside person telling them that it is OK. Most search firms want to make hires of coaches from big time schools because it makes them look better. See the previous four hires who came from Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame. Big names, big let downs.

Those who do not respect history are doomed to repeat it.

Get off the psycho cycle and make the right hire. Akron has now invested over $120,000,000 in football over the past decade with salaries, buyouts, facilities (field house, outdoor practice facility, stadium, offices) and for that the deliverable has been one MAC title and only 3 winning seasons. 43 wins, 77 losses, 3 head coaches, 3 ADs, 1 President.

There is one head coach that is still coaching a team in 2011 that can lead us to a better place.

So, you have the only valid opinion in these forums?

You use a stupid post from one person as an argument to shut down the coaching search, and to select the guy you like best. A bit arrogant, don't you think?

I happen to disagree with you. I would be angry if UA did not conduct a thourough search to find the best coach to lead this program.

Not my point at all. Perhaps I mixed messages but the original point was that the post, since removed by moderators, by the poster GOZIPS personally attacked one of the persons who is allegedly a candidate for the head coaching position. Since I would bet cash money that GOZIPS has never met this coach, spent time with him, been coached by him, or even had a meaningful conversation with him, I call GOZIPS out for his/her lack of class.

As for the merits of the coach in question I feel that those facts are pretty clear, as is the factual history that I have laid out. How you choose to interpret same is certainly up to you. It's a free country. There is a clear difference between facts that are on the record as opposed to personal opinion based in nothing.

[Thewatcher]

Here we go!

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

Didn't Akron try this staff already? And they too were relieved of their duties. Yes he would be the one in charge, but folks lets think about this,

Is PW the one to turn this ship around?

Who ever the coach is mark my words

THEY SHOULD NOT AND WILL NOT REPORT TO THE AD.......The AD door will continue to revolve and to right the ship we can not keep changing leadership.

[skip-zip]

you went where everyone else goes. Stating opinion as fact.

That was exactly my thought also.

[GP1]

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

I think this is a valid concern. It would be something I would clear up with him during an interview and let him know a return to the past staff will not happen. Nobody from the old staff gets a return trip.

[skip-zip]

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

I think this is a valid concern. It would be something I would clear up with him during an interview and let him know a return to the past staff will not happen. Nobody from the old staff gets a return trip.

Why not? We might as well just bring back all of the pieces of a previous failed era of Akron football

Why not just bring back Winters' old boss again as HC ? He's actually been very consistently successful as a D-II coach. So, if just having any kind of success at the D-II level is a great qualifier to some people on this board to move someone up 2 levels to D-1A, then shouldn't Lee be at the top of the list right now? And he's an "Akron Area Guy" too. Sounds to me like the perfect candidate !!

Some great indications right here on this board of how much some people are really interested in setting our sights high for the future of Akron football.

[GP1]

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Dennison.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

Jim Dennison was dumped for Faust because the tradition of Dennison really isn't something we should strive to achieve, and he wasn't the guy to take Akron to the next level.

In Dennison's last six years at Akron, they were in the OVC. Three of those six years, they finished .500 or below. Never once did they win the conference. Never once did he win ANY conference championship at Akron. In those six years he won 55% of his conference games and had the exact same winning percentage overall. At best, he was slightly better than Lee Owens.

The Dennison adoration that goes on around Akron has always confused me. The facts don't support the claims of greatness. I never say too much about it because by most accounts, he is a good guy. I would much rather have a winning coach (I don't mean in the 55% range either...aim higher) than a good guy.

[UAZipster0305]

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

I think this is a valid concern. It would be something I would clear up with him during an interview and let him know a return to the past staff will not happen. Nobody from the old staff gets a return trip.

I was thinking the exact same thing. If the communication is adequate and these are the grounds for him being hired, I don't see an issue.

[wadscarman]

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

I think this is a valid concern. It would be something I would clear up with him during an interview and let him know a return to the past staff will not happen. Nobody from the old staff gets a return trip.

Why not? We might as well just bring back all of the pieces of a previous failed era of Akron football

Why not just bring back Winters' old boss again as HC ? He's actually been very consistently successful as a D-II coach. So, if just having any kind of success at the D-II level is a great qualifier to some people on this board to move someone up 2 levels to D-1A, then shouldn't Lee be at the top of the list right now? And he's an "Akron Area Guy" too. Sounds to me like the perfect candidate !!

Some great indications right here on this board of how much some people are really interested in setting our sights high for the future of Akron football.

With all due respect, the coaches from the LO era have done pretty well for themselves and many in the football world seem to think pretty highly of them. Everyones JT surely thought so.

Paul Winters - http://www.wsuathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=63

Greg Gillum - https://admin.xosn.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPS...;ATCLID=1059365

John Petersen – http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-...son_john00.html

Luke Fickel - http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-...ell_luke00.html

Keith Uecker - http://iss.osu.edu/iShoe/site/mobile/bio/c...amp;coachid=323

Doug Geiser - http://goashlandeagles.com/sports/fball/coaches/Doug_Geiser

Tom Stacy - http://goashlandeagles.com/sports/fball/coaches/Tom_Stacy

I am not here saying we should hire one, all or none of them (provided PW ends up being our coach), but many feel these coaches are just "slouches" and is not the case.

[Zipmeister]

Akron Football needs someone who knows how to build programs to revive the tradition of Dennison.

Akron Football, save for a very scant few moments, has been in the crapper since Jim Dennison was dumped for Gerry Faust.

Jim Dennison was dumped for Faust because the tradition of Dennison really isn't something we should strive to achieve, and he wasn't the guy to take Akron to the next level.

In Dennison's last six years at Akron, they were in the OVC. Three of those six years, they finished .500 or below. Never once did they win the conference. Never once did he win ANY conference championship at Akron. In those six years he won 55% of his conference games and had the exact same winning percentage overall. At best, he was slightly better than Lee Owens.

The Dennison adoration that goes on around Akron has always confused me. The facts don't support the claims of greatness. I never say too much about it because by most accounts, he is a good guy. I would much rather have a winning coach (I don't mean in the 55% range either...aim higher) than a good guy.

Given the performance of the Zips since Dennison was canned, I could live with aiming low. An 80-62-2 overall record and bowl eligibility by today's standards in 9 of 13 years (despite only playing an 11 game regular season in each of those 13 years).

[GP1]

So it is my opinion.....that PW is a good coach, however if brought back alot of the old staff (owen's crew) will be here.

I think this is a valid concern. It would be something I would clear up with him during an interview and let him know a return to the past staff will not happen. Nobody from the old staff gets a return trip.

Why not? We might as well just bring back all of the pieces of a previous failed era of Akron football

Why not just bring back Winters' old boss again as HC ? He's actually been very consistently successful as a D-II coach. So, if just having any kind of success at the D-II level is a great qualifier to some people on this board to move someone up 2 levels to D-1A, then shouldn't Lee be at the top of the list right now? And he's an "Akron Area Guy" too. Sounds to me like the perfect candidate !!

Some great indications right here on this board of how much some people are really interested in setting our sights high for the future of Akron football.

With all due respect, the coaches from the LO era have done pretty well for themselves and many in the football world seem to think pretty highly of them. Everyones JT surely thought so.

Paul Winters - http://www.wsuathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=63

Greg Gillum - https://admin.xosn.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPS...;ATCLID=1059365

John Petersen – http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-...son_john00.html

Luke Fickel - http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-...ell_luke00.html

Keith Uecker - http://iss.osu.edu/iShoe/site/mobile/bio/c...amp;coachid=323

Doug Geiser - http://goashlandeagles.com/sports/fball/coaches/Doug_Geiser

Tom Stacy - http://goashlandeagles.com/sports/fball/coaches/Tom_Stacy

I am not here saying we should hire one, all or none of them (provided PW ends up being our coach), but many feel these coaches are just "slouches" and is not the case.

Good to see wadscarman posting. Maybe I should have said none who were around at the end....maybe not. Not all are slouches, but some are pretty close.

Winters...Would make a good coach for Akron. Was a good coach before Akron. Certainly not a slouch.

Gillum...Not really in coaching and is now a paper pusher. Players used to make fun of guys who held this position. Slouch.

Petersen...Had to go to Miami to escape Owens before getting a chance at OSU. Not on staff at end of Owens era. Good coach. Maybe the best coach on this list.

Fickel....Good coach, not on staff at the end of the Owens era. OSU fans will really miss Heacock.

Uecker....Quality control? I'm leaning towards slouch. Will be interesting to see who needs a "quality control coach" next year and where he lands.

Geiser...D2...Slouch...College career going nowhere.

Stacy....D2...Slouch...College career going nowhere.

[GP1]

Given the performance of the Zips since Dennison was canned, I could live with aiming low.

I can't. The University can't.

[Zipmeister]

Given the performance of the Zips since Dennison was canned, I could live with aiming low.

I can't. The University can't.

I'm sorry to hear that. Given the track record of the University, to which funeral home should I send your flowers? You were a good man. We will miss you.

[ZachTheZip]

Of the four finalists, Paul Winters excites me the least.

Narduzzi is my top candidate.

[GP1]

Of the four finalists, Paul Winters excites me the least.

Narduzzi is my top candidate.

Of course he is. Pick the defensive guy who has no chance of getting hired because the mac is an offensive league. It gives you something to bitch about during this off season and the first losing season. You will have 18 months of material.

[ZachTheZip]

Of the four finalists, Paul Winters excites me the least.

Narduzzi is my top candidate.

Of course he is. Pick the defensive guy who has no chance of getting hired because the mac is an offensive league. It gives you something to bitch about during this off season and the first losing season. You will have 18 months of material.

Or maybe I picked him because he would be the best hire for football that Akron has made in a long time. Much better than Winters. Slightly ahead Johnson.

[Buckzip]

Of the four finalists, Paul Winters excites me the least.

Narduzzi is my top candidate.

Of course he is. Pick the defensive guy who has no chance of getting hired because the mac is an offensive league. It gives you something to bitch about during this off season and the first losing season. You will have 18 months of material.

Yes, the MAC is an offensive conference, so maybe hire a defensive guy to give Akron a little edge there.

If he is the right coach, I don't care if he is an offense guy or a defense guy.

As long as he hires a solid OC, I don't see a problem. There are plenty of programs that have defensive minded head coaches but have great offenses. Beckman at Toledo was a defense guy but had a good offense at UT.

[ZipRoo]

WHO is the "mystery" fourth candidate, whose name is not confirmed? Anyone we should be "excited" about? Geez, I'd hope that a *nationwide search* would produce more than the Usual Suspects identified already.

[Buckzip]

WHO is the "mystery" fourth candidate, whose name is not confirmed? Anyone we should be "excited" about? Geez, I'd hope that a *nationwide search* would produce more than the Usual Suspects identified already.

Nick Saban. He loves a challenge.

[ZachTheZip]

ESPN article on Akron being interested in Mike Johnson

[Dave in Green]

Here's the key quote I see in that story:

"I love L.A.," Johnson said. "L.A. is a place I grew up and a place I've always called home and I like it here."

Zips will have a much better chance with someone who can make the same statement about Akron or NEO rather than L.A.

[Dr Z]

ESPN article on Akron being interested in Mike Johnson

I just can't see MJ taking this job unless Akron is willing to overpay. Maybe some donor is willing to step up.

[zestycoyote]

Here's the key quote I see in that story:

"I love L.A.," Johnson said. "L.A. is a place I grew up and a place I've always called home and I like it here."

Zips will have a much better chance with someone who can make the same statement about Akron or NEO rather than L.A.

Exactly. As much as I love MJ's résumé, if he doesn't want to be here, I don't want him here.

We need an Akron guy. Is that Winters? Maybe.