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[Captain Kangaroo]

None of those programs have the resources of a mediocre BCS level team...they are all Mid-Majors.

Please present me the numbers that prove your statement.

If Xavier and Gonzaga don't have the recources of mediocre BCS basketball programs, I'll walk naked from Akron to Valporaiso, farting the K.e.n.t. State fight song the entire distance.

Each of those programs could hire 4 Keith Dambrots for their bench, and still have money remaining to hire a couple private jets for tournaments in Alaska and Hawaii.

[Dave in Green]

The term mid-major is used in various contexts these days, clearly lacking a concrete definition. While some coaches and players find it to be a demeaning term akin to the minor leagues, others, such as college basketball blogger and author Michael Litos, believe there will never be a precise definition and that the term is used out of convenience to describe teams with fewer financial resources.

Mid-major madness

[zipdiehard]

Please present me the numbers that prove your statement.

If Xavier and Gonzaga don't have the recources of mediocre BCS basketball programs, I'll walk naked from Akron to Valporaiso, farting the K.e.n.t. State fight song the entire distance.

Each of those programs could hire 4 Keith Dambrots for their bench, and still have money remaining to hire a couple private jets for tournaments in Alaska and Hawaii.

2010

This is from 2010. Gonzaga ranks 44, Butler 86, and Xavier 172. Akron is 146. Only a handful of "BCS" schools below Gonzaga, hardly any below the rest of them. Hope you have nice shoes to wear on your walk.

[Dave in Green]

2010

This is from 2010. Gonzaga ranks 44, Butler 86, and Xavier 172. Akron is 146. Only a handful of "BCS" schools below Gonzaga, hardly any below the rest of them. Hope you have nice shoes to wear on your walk.

Whoa there on Xavier. There's conflicting data on that. Your link shows Xavier with a way low 2010 basketball budget of $1,645,652, while the link below has the following to say about Xavier:

Xavier has sixteen intercollegiate sports, none of which are American-Style Football (it dropped the program in 1973 because it was losing the school $200,000 per annum). Over the following 20 years -- and this is the genius part -- Xavier made a major push towards building one of the best men's basketball programs in the country.

Of those overall athletic expenses, nearly $4 million -- a full 30 percent of X's athletic expenses -- are now spent on men's basketball. That's the largest percentage of any school in Division I. (Similarly football-free Gonzaga spends 23 percent, by comparison.)

Xavier: It's a Basketball School, Dammit

Big difference!

Also, I count dozens of "BCS" schools below Gonzaga in the numbers you linked to, including some perennial powers such as tOSU,

Something tells me the good Captain will be keeping his clothing on and walking shoes off.

[zipdiehard]

I think I'll stick by the numbers in my link. A simple google search confirms the top numbers such as Duke's. I see a little more credibiliity in those numbers as opposed to the "tens of millions" and "sometimes 100 million" the writer cites in your link.

[Dave in Green]

@zipdiehard, you can believe whatever you choose to believe. But I can find no data that supports that low-ball Xavier men's basketball budget that you want to stake your bet on.

The most recent reference to Xavier's basketball budget came in a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review article less than a week ago that gave the budgets of all Atlantic 10 teams from the 2006-07 and 2010-11 seasons.

Xavier's increased 24.6% from $3,154,000 to $3,929,000.

In fact, there are many references on the internet to Xavier's basketball budget being just under $4 million. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on that number.

Duquesne hoops budget doubled

[zipdiehard]

I realize you have chosen to focus on just Xavier, but if you look at your own latest link, you will see that the numbers for the rest of the A-10 are the same in both. In reality, your link helped to validate the one I cited.

Anyway, who knows why the Xavier numbers are off. tOSU's were off as well, but the others from the top that I looked at were the same from various sources.

I wouldn't bet on any information gathered from the internet...

[zipdiehard]

Meant "your example" was Xavier, not focusing on.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I think I'll stick by the numbers in my link. A simple google search confirms the top numbers such as Duke's. I see a little more credibiliity in those numbers as opposed to the "tens of millions" and "sometimes 100 million" the writer cites in your link.

Butler and Gonzaga's coaches each make over $1,000,000 per year. So does Wichita State's. They make BCS money.

[Dave in Green]

Getting back to the bet, most available data supports that Xavier and Gonzaga do have the recources of mediocre BCS basketball programs. In a previous ZN.o discussion on the BCS-level resources of top mid-major teams, I researched the fact that Gonzaga's basketball team has a private jet for road games and for jetting the coaches overseas to evaluate foreign talent. That's BCS-level, not mid-major.

[OZoner]

I see a little more credibiliity in those numbers as opposed to the "tens of millions" and "sometimes 100 million" the writer cites in your link.

The guy who wrote that article you dismiss runs the site you cite.

Your mind is blown.

[zipdiehard]

The guy who wrote that article you dismiss runs the site you cite.

Your mind is blown.

I guess that blows the credibility of either article.