RootforRoo44 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Xavier's Mark Lyons not returning for senior season. He's eligible to play immediately if he graduates like he's supposed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Xavier's Mark Lyons not returning for senior season. He's eligible to play immediately if he graduates like he's supposed to. I would take him on the Zips in a second! He averaged 15 a game for X? Isn't that more than any of our players ppg? But I doubt he would want to play in Akron, where we already have guys fighting for playing time. Also doubt KD would want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Arizona is the name being mentioned the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Lyons is a heck of a player that could easily play at any major program. Wishful thinking about him coming to Akron, not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I'm really pleased that the Zips landed an ex-Xavier guard with three years of eligibility who is a team player fully capable of averaging 15 points per game if that's what the coach asked of him. Brian Walsh is an honor student of high character who has not had the kind of "on and off-court issues throughout his career" that would cause a coach to drop him from the team for the betterment of the team. Give me more Brian Walshes and let Can't go after the Mark Lyons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Ball Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I'm really pleased that the Zips landed an ex-Xavier guard with three years of eligibility who is a team player fully capable of averaging 15 points per game if that's what the coach asked of him. Brian Walsh is an honor student of high character who has not had the kind of "on and off-court issues throughout his career" that would cause a coach to drop him from the team for the betterment of the team. Give me more Brian Walshes and let Can't go after the Mark Lyons. fyi. It is not a guarantee that Brian Walsh has 2 years left. He still has to petition the NCAA for the 2013-14 season. It is not a done deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 fyi. It is not a guarantee that Brian Walsh has 2 years left. He still has to petition the NCAA for the 2013-14 season. It is not a done deal. Considering that he has the best academics on the team, I think he'll earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Ball Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Considering that he has the best academics on the team, I think he'll earn it. Again, "think" what you want, but academics has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 UA is pretty conservative with their claims, and this is what Walsh's official bio has to say on gozips.com: A physical guard ... a solid shooter ... practiced with the team during the 2010-11 season after sitting out due to NCAA Transfer guidelines ... will have three years of eligibility with the Zips beginning in the 2011-12 season. Brian Walsh Bio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Just to be clear, academics have never been an issue with Walsh. He played in Xavier's first nine games in the 2008-2009 season before going down with a season-ending injury. He came back from the injury to play in 21 games for Xavier during the 2009-2010 season. He then transferred to UA and sat out the 2010-2011 season. If UA is listing him with three years of eligibility to play for the Zips, it is likely because he has already received an NCAA medical hardship waiver for a fifth playing season based on his season-ending injury early in the 2008-2009 season at Xavier. I don't believe that UA would list him with three years of eligibility if they only thought he might get that waiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I think since that fat dude from WMU transferred to Xavier....name was Skidmark or something? Lyons figured he wasn't going to get any more playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Just to be clear, academics have never been an issue with Walsh. He played in Xavier's first nine games in the 2008-2009 season before going down with a season-ending injury. He came back from the injury to play in 21 games for Xavier during the 2009-2010 season. He then transferred to UA and sat out the 2010-2011 season. If UA is listing him with three years of eligibility to play for the Zips, it is likely because he has already received an NCAA medical hardship waiver for a fifth playing season based on his season-ending injury early in the 2008-2009 season at Xavier. I don't believe that UA would list him with three years of eligibility if they only thought he might get that waiver. UA will still need to petition for a 6th year and that cannot be done until after the 2012-2013 season. Based on previous NCAA rulings, there is strong possibility that the NCAA won't grant him an additional year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 This is what KD told a ZN.o forum member about Walsh's eligibility at UA: According to a recent discussion with KD, Walsh is playing as a sophomore. That means he has three years eligibility at Akron. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Lyons was supposedly a "cancer" at X this past year. UA should avoid him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 This is what KD told a ZN.o forum member about Walsh's eligibility at UA: You can classify him as whatever you would like at the moment, but he has not been granted a 6th year of eligibility yet. You have 5 years to play 4, so any petition will need to be made after he completes his 5th year. Since you only get one redshirt, its a matter of proving that 2 of those years missed were beyond the players control. The NCAA has previously ruled that missing a year due to transfer does not fall in the category of being beyond the players control. Don't be shocked if he isn't granted a 6th year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 @zippyman23, I'm no attorney, but I once stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. My understanding of an NCAA medical hardship waiver is that you can apply for it at the time of the injury. If Xavier did this for Walsh at the time of his injury and got it approved, my understanding is that Walsh would have been granted an extra season of eligibility at that point, and that his eligibility to compete four seasons within a five-year window would have been reset. I guess we'll know for sure at next season's final home game when they honor the seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyman23 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 @zippyman23, I'm no attorney, but I once stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. My understanding of an NCAA medical hardship waiver is that you can apply for it at the time of the injury. If Xavier did this for Walsh at the time of his injury and got it approved, my understanding is that Walsh would have been granted an extra season of eligibility at that point, and that his eligibility to compete four seasons within a five-year window would have been reset. I guess we'll know for sure at next season's final home game when they honor the seniors. There are two different waivers in play here. Xavier filed for a medical hardship waiver to get his freshman year of eligibility back and not have it count against his 4 years of competition. That gave Walsh a 5th year of eligibility since he still had 4 years of competiton left. However, that did not reset his 5-year window. Walsh then sat out the 2010-2011 season as a transfer which wouldn't count against his years of competition but doesn't extend that 5-year window. Since Walsh will still have 1 year of competion left after the 2012-2013, he would then have to petition for a second waiver to remove the 5-year rule and allow him to compete in a 6th year. In that petition, he will need to make his case as to why he wasn't able to complete his 4 years of competion in the 5-year window and why it should be extended to 6th year. That's where things become more difficult. It comes back to the year he sat out as a transfer. If Walsh stayed at Xavier, he would have been able to complete his 4 years of competition in that 5-year period. Based on that, the NCAA has previously ruled against allowing an additional year to complete that 4 year of competition because it was not beyond the control of the athlete. The burden of proof would then lie in the hands of Walsh to prove otherwise. I believe Walsh participated in practice during his transfer year, so he wouldn't be able to make the case that his injury would have prohibited from participating in competition even if he was eligible to participate. So it comes down to proving that the transfer was beyond his control, which will be tough thing to do and not something that I would be optimistic about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Good analysis. I'll throw in my analysis of Walsh's situation at Xavier based on what I've read. He was recruited by an Xavier head coach who then left the program. Walsh met with the new coach, who informed him that he didn't fit in with the program's new direction and was unlikely to get much if any playing time. At that point, Walsh decided to transfer to a program where he believed he could be a productive member of the team. I assume the NCAA judges each of these cases on its individual merits. I don't know how all of the details of Walsh's situation match up with other players in similar situations. I do know that KD and UA are optimistic that Walsh is going to play three seasons for the Zips. I see no reason to list him as a sophomore other than the fact that they fully expect him to play his junior and senior seasons here. Either they have information that we don't or they're just bluffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 @zippyman23, I did a little checking around, and it appears that your analysis of the situation is 100% accurate. Odds are against Walsh getting a sixth year to complete four seasons due to the fact that one of the years he used up was from a voluntary transfer. It depends on the strength of the case that can be put together that there were extenuating circumstances for transferring out of Xavier that were not entirely within Walsh's control. But the NCAA is pretty tight with its six-year exemptions, so it's looking more as if next season may be Walsh's final year of college eligibility. Listing Walsh as a sophomore this season is just being optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Proving that the NCAA does make exceptions, they just decided that Trey Zeigler can join Pitt immediately without sitting out for a year. The reason given is because his daddy coach was fired from CMU. Well, the reason that Walsh transferred to UA from Xavier is because the coach who recruited him left and the new coach flat out told him he was not in the new plan. Is it fair that the NCAA gives favored treatment to players who happen to be sons of coaches because it might be awkward for the son to continue to play for the team from which his daddy coach was fired? If I were KD, I'd sure as heck cite the Zeigler case among others when applying to get Walsh his lost year of eligibility back. Pitt basketball transfer Zeigler will be eligible this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Dez Wells expelled for “a serious violation of the Code of Student Conduct.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 That whole program seems to be in it pretty deep. A good thing Walsh left when he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Dez Wells expelled for “a serious violation of the Code of Student Conduct.” Wells cleared of everything by Grand Jury, but Xavier decided to keep him expelled. Xavier does not look good right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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