Spin Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 There's all this talk in other places about a feeding frenzy of schools poaching PSU players. Aren't all the other schools maxed out on scholarships? So if they do pick up a player or two, does that send one or two players already commited to that team home? Redshirt them? Or do they "find other" non-athletic scholarships at that school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Dejan breaks it down predicting exodus to happen next year, not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 The NCAA is considering allowing the schools that take the PSU transfers to not count them against their scholarship limits. If this is the case, it probably doesn't help us get any players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Wow... I had very little respect for the NCAA before this morning, but I have far less now. They roll in, grab a $60 million "penalty" and pretty much accomplish nothing. The football penalties, in my view, do little additional damage, because Penn State was already virtually certain to have trouble getting (and keeping) worthy scholarship players. They will not be a competitive program again for many years... if ever. And the idea that the NCAA is even marginally qualified to establish any sort of national center on child abuse is beyond ludicrous. It is absolutely outrageous and disgusting. Just more cash for a couple of dozen over-paid bureaucrats and the facade of an organization that "cares" about kids. If this were funny, I might call it a joke. Unfortunately, there's nothing funny about it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Personally, I would have loved to see Penn State lose football. Sorry, i don't think i can ever think of that program without child molestation coming to mind. Some things just need to die. In fact, I would have like the school to have voluntarily cancelled their football program for two years. However, I think the ncaa dished out a fair punishment which won't destroy the local economy. As far as the comments regarding Akron getting their players, I don't know if you're all serious? The players leaving that program will be doing so for bowl and championship opportunities. Sorry, none of them are going to Akron. I wish we could get one or two, but it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Personally, I would have loved to see Penn State lose football. Sorry, i don't think i can ever think of that program without child molestation coming to mind. Some things just need to die. In fact, I would have like the school to have voluntarily cancelled their football program for two years. However, I think the ncaa dished out a fair punishment which won't destroy the local economy. As far as the comments regarding Akron getting their players, I don't know if you're all serious? The players leaving that program will be doing so for bowl and championship opportunities. Sorry, none of them are going to Akron. I wish we could get one or two, but it won't happen. 2nd or 3rd string juniors or seniors arent going to be leaving to play for championship opportunities. They will be leaving for a chance to play. Also, Penn State was NOT on the brink of being terrible. They had a pretty good season last year amidst the scandal coming out. Bill O'Brien salvaged the recruiting class at the end of the year to an extent, and had a GREAT class this year before the Freeh report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 There's all this talk in other places about a feeding frenzy of schools poaching PSU players. Aren't all the other schools maxed out on scholarships? So if they do pick up a player or two, does that send one or two players already commited to that team home? Redshirt them? Or do they "find other" non-athletic scholarships at that school? They will count on scholarship starting next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 However, I think the ncaa dished out a fair punishment which won't destroy the local economy. Let's do a little exercise. There is going to be a snowball effect here. psu is going to become a DII football team here in the next couple of years and it will continue for at least six years. Fans stop going to games because anyone with half a brain won't go watch crap (within five years, they will be lucky to fill half the stadium). Watching a psu game in the near future will be like watching the Zips last season. Fewer fans and season ticket holders means less money coming into support psu athletics/university. Less donations will be given to support the athleic department/university. In addition to the $12 million a year, many more millions will be lost for the University. How do you think the University is going to just get more money from an already bankrupt state government? How do you bridge the gap? Here is how you do it. In the near future, if he hasn't already started to do so, the president of psu is going to have to start thinking about a reduction in the workforce at psu that will have to take place as a result of the loss of income from football. I don't see any way around it. As employees get layoff notices, the implact will be felt in a small community like State College. Very few places need any type of athletics to boost their economy. State College needs psu football to keep that school going. If psu football built that place, and it did, the lack of football will destroy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 2nd or 3rd string juniors or seniors arent going to be leaving to play for championship opportunities. They will be leaving for a chance to play. Also, Penn State was NOT on the brink of being terrible. They had a pretty good season last year amidst the scandal coming out. Bill O'Brien salvaged the recruiting class at the end of the year to an extent, and had a GREAT class this year before the Freeh report. If they just want to play, they will stay at Penn State. Even at 2nd or 3rd string, they have a good shot at starting there considering the exodus of old players and the limited number of new players. If they can't start at that point, would it really be an improvement to the Akron roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Let's do a little exercise. There is going to be a snowball effect here. psu is going to become a DII football team here in the next couple of years and it will continue for at least six years. Fans stop going to games because anyone with half a brain won't go watch crap (within five years, they will be lucky to fill half the stadium). Watching a psu game in the near future will be like watching the Zips last season. Fewer fans and season ticket holders means less money coming into support psu athletics/university. Less donations will be given to support the athleic department/university. In addition to the $12 million a year, many more millions will be lost for the University. How do you think the University is going to just get more money from an already bankrupt state government? How do you bridge the gap? Here is how you do it. In the near future, if he hasn't already started to do so, the president of psu is going to have to start thinking about a reduction in the workforce at psu that will have to take place as a result of the loss of income from football. I don't see any way around it. As employees get layoff notices, the implact will be felt in a small community like State College. Very few places need any type of athletics to boost their economy. State College needs psu football to keep that school going. If psu football built that place, and it did, the lack of football will destroy it. Yeah, you're just going to get over it. Sorry, but I totally disagree with you on this. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying I am right. This is completely about personal beliefs, or otherwise we wouldn't be giving it any thought considering what we believe should happen completely does not matter. Unless you come out and declare you were a victim of Sandusky, you're just not going to convince me of anything, as I won't convince you of anything. Now to your point about the economy, Penn State is a monster of a school. It's fans will go to the games every week. Good team, bad team, they will sell out. To Penn State fans, going to the games is much more than sitting and watching a game. Also, they are in the Big 10. Even if people didn't go to watch Penn State, they would go to watch the opponents. As far as the small schools that come in to play, like Akron, the fans will go to those games as well just to see a victory. And maybe I should point this out again, I personally would approve if the stadium got burned down, and all sports were wiped off their campus. Sorry for the community who will lose livelihoods, but the ONLY people I will ever feel sorry for are the victims. Everyone else made their money and got their fame. Innocent or not, life isn't fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 It's fans will go to the games every week. Good team, bad team, they will sell out. How much of your personal money would you be willing to bet on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Z Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Akron offer Ross Douglas has decommitted to PSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 How much of your personal money would you be willing to bet on this? Why would I bet my personal money on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Who exactly won the 2010 Columbus State vs Penn State game??? -- Mark Kaboly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Slate One of the things I'm a little shocked about today is how poorly received the ncaa's punishments are in the media. I though those in the mob carrying the pitchforks would be much more happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Why would I bet my personal money on this? My experience in life is the strength of the opinion is usually measured by the amount of money a person is willing to place on the outcome. I'd be willing to bet in excess of $2,500.00 that in three years, psu home games will not be selling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 My experience in life is the strength of the opinion is usually measured by the amount of money a person is willing to place on the outcome. I'd be willing to bet in excess of $2,500.00 that in three years, psu home games will not be selling out. Quite honestly, if you're willing to bet money on something like this, now I realize you're not worth my time. Wow, did you take your eyes off the big picture on this one. You really want to wager anything based on child molestation? Oh, and I can't believe I even have to say this. You don't think the criminal activity that went on would have just as much, if not more effect on game attendance than the NCAA ruling? You won't consider that Nittany Lions fans may no longer want to go to games simply because they now associate football with child molestation? Have a good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Who exactly won the 2010 Columbus State vs Penn State game??? -- Mark Kaboly There were no winners. The game "never happened". Its always like that when a school has to forfeit wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Quite honestly, if you're willing to bet money on something like this, now I realize you're not worth my time. Wow, did you take your eyes off the big picture on this one. You really want to wager anything based on child molestation? Oh, and I can't believe I even have to say this. You don't think the criminal activity that went on would have just as much, if not more effect on game attendance than the NCAA ruling? You won't consider that Nittany Lions fans may no longer want to go to games simply because they now associate football with child molestation? Have a good one While I do not agree with everything GP1 says, he is not saying Nittany Lion fans wont go to games because the program is associated with child molestation. He is saying people wont go to game because a shitty product will be on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acstorfer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 While I do not agree with everything GP1 says, he is not saying Nittany Lion fans wont go to games because the program is associated with child molestation. He is saying people wont go to game because a shitty product will be on the field. Yeah, it wasn't so much the reason as to why they won't go to games that disgusted me. I was put off on the attitude of the statement. That is, the let's bet on it attitude based on a discussion predicated with child molestation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 How much of your personal money would you be willing to bet on this? I think you're spot-on, GP1. Enthusiasm for Penn State football is going to whither, and it will whither rather quickly, in my opinion. In less than a year's time, the entire foundation of what generations of fans have thought the program was all about has been obliterated. The scandal has ripped to shreds the very heart of Penn State football. It bears repeating that what fans and alumni are experiencing is in no way comparable to what Sandusky's victims endured, but I don't see how anyone couldn't feel for those folks and for the entire State College community. Very sad indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Let's do a little exercise. There is going to be a snowball effect here. psu is going to become a DII football team here in the next couple of years and it will continue for at least six years. Fans stop going to games because anyone with half a brain won't go watch crap (within five years, they will be lucky to fill half the stadium). Watching a psu game in the near future will be like watching the Zips last season. Fewer fans and season ticket holders means less money coming into support psu athletics/university. Less donations will be given to support the athleic department/university. In addition to the $12 million a year, many more millions will be lost for the University. How do you think the University is going to just get more money from an already bankrupt state government? How do you bridge the gap? Here is how you do it. In the near future, if he hasn't already started to do so, the president of psu is going to have to start thinking about a reduction in the workforce at psu that will have to take place as a result of the loss of income from football. I don't see any way around it. As employees get layoff notices, the implact will be felt in a small community like State College. Very few places need any type of athletics to boost their economy. State College needs psu football to keep that school going. If psu football built that place, and it did, the lack of football will destroy it. This is another sad part about all of this. And the impact is greater than just a small community. Criminal acts were committed against children. Let the criminal justice system deal with that. They've done quite a bit so far. If it were a matter of Penn State Athletics illegally creating an advantage on the playing field, then let the NCAA deals with that. Forget about the existing players and the new staff for a moment, although they are going to be affected dramatically. In this case, what's odd is that the NCAA may have just destroyed the economy of Central Pennsylvania. Think about the closing of businesses. The massive layoffs. And it's not just within the University system, where it will be staggering. It's also going to bury Restaurants, Hotels, Convenience Stores, Gas Stations, Etc. Just imagine all of the people who will be additions to the list of those who will pay a heavy toll when 100,000 people stop traveling back and forth across the state every weekend in the Fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I was put off on the attitude of the statement. That is, the let's bet on it attitude based on a discussion predicated with child molestation. It's hard to tell attitude on a fan web board, that's why people shouldn't get emotional about what is said. My comment was based upon the assumption games would still sell out, not child molestation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I think you're spot-on, GP1. Enthusiasm for Penn State football is going to whither, and it will whither rather quickly, in my opinion. I know I'm spot on. Fans are the same everywhere. After what I saw last year, I won't go to another Zips game until they are better. My time is too valuable to me. I still love them, but I can't put time/money into something that doesn't make me happy. Teams win, lots of fans go to games. Teams lose, lots of fans stop going. At the end of the day, it is a financial transaction. If fans see the value in going to a game, they will spend their money to go. If they don't, they won't. The fair weather fan is the best type of all because he cares and won't accept watching crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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