GP1 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Article I told you guys years ago this was going to happen. The BCS schools have used up the non-BCS schools. They don't need them for a football league or a basketball tournament or anything else for that matter. Everyone can stop pretending now. One would have thought Staples cut and pasted from my posts on this board. The BCS schools have opened up the doors for one major mistake...although they haven't made it yet. The pollution of their league with CUSA and whatever the Big East is called now (You know your league is bad when a guy posting on a MAC board calls it "whatever the Big East is called now") would be a huge idea. Any thoughts from those who thought this would never happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Article I told you guys years ago this was going to happen. The BCS schools have used up the non-BCS schools. They don't need them for a football league or a basketball tournament or anything else for that matter. Everyone can stop pretending now. One would have thought Staples cut and pasted from my posts on this board. The BCS schools have opened up the doors for one major mistake...although they haven't made it yet. The pollution of their league with CUSA and whatever the Big East is called now (You know your league is bad when a guy posting on a MAC board calls it "whatever the Big East is called now") would be a huge idea. Any thoughts from those who thought this would never happen? I, for one, have never said that the big money schools wouldn't one day be allowed to form their own division within the NCAA. I have been far more skeptical that 64 "football schools", divided neatly into 4, 16-team leagues, would break completely from the NCAA. My main reason has been the difficulty in selecting those 64 teams, especially when talking into account other sports, most notably basketball. Nothing Staples writes here makes me think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zips Win! Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Sure, I can see this happening. But to say there are 64ish legit D1 programs who are actually playing for the NC is a joke. In ten years the big 64 will be split again into yet another division. Hell, half the big ten should just jump ship now and come play with the MAC. And who the heck will the big ten schedule if they are only playing with each other? So much for c-bus getting any more games with North Central Florida Christian Academy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Sure, I can see this happening. But to say there are 64ish legit D1 programs who are actually playing for the NC is a joke. In ten years the big 64 will be split again into yet another division. Hell, half the big ten should just jump ship now and come play with the MAC. And who the heck will the big ten schedule if they are only playing with each other? So much for c-bus getting any more games with North Central Florida Christian Academy.... Geeeeeeezzzzz. Stop ragging on OSU for scheduling cupcakes for non-conference games. When you play the meat grinder schedule of Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota & Illinois you can't get too beat up in your 1st 4 games. And the B1G sked is just going to get even tougher once the twin juggernauts of Maryland and Rutgers join next year. How loaded of a schedule to you want Ol Urb to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Sure, I can see this happening. But to say there are 64ish legit D1 programs who are actually playing for the NC is a joke. In ten years the big 64 will be split again into yet another division. Hell, half the big ten should just jump ship now and come play with the MAC. I agree completely and this is whey I so badly want MAClike conference away from the BCS mess. If we stay at the level we are now, it is a pretense to believe we can compete at that level. It has been an ongoing wheel-spinning endeavor for us and for just about every school in a MAClike conference. We need to get away from it asap and let those schools (Kansas, Indiana, Purdue, Duke, etc) kill themselves for money. I for one am sick of trying to do it without any results. The issue JZ84 brings up is interesting. The top schools staying in the ncaa is the last method in which those schools can suck the non-BCS schools dry. They stay in the ncaa, establish their own set of rules for themselves and mooch money from the non BCS schools to run their governing organization. Knowing this, does anyone really want them around the ncaa if they break free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Geeeeeeezzzzz. Stop ragging on OSU for scheduling cupcakes for non-conference games. When you play the meat grinder schedule of Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota & Illinois you can't get too beat up in your 1st 4 games. And the B1G sked is just going to get even tougher once the twin juggernauts of Maryland and Rutgers join next year. How loaded of a schedule to you want Ol Urb to play? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I could see it happening(Even I brought it up last year about having an English Premiere setup), but it won't happen for two reasons: The first one was brought up in the article and that is Basketball. There is no way the NCAA would break up that cash cow. They know exactly what they got in that and why change it? The second one is the big one and that is Title IX. They would have to go to court and prove that if the break apart, they would still follow the rule. Yes the make a ton of $$$, but if they break away, the lower of the two would also go to court to try to have it overturned and the NCAA knows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I could see it happening(Even I brought it up last year about having an English Premiere setup), but it won't happen for two reasons: The first one was brought up in the article and that is Basketball. There is no way the NCAA would break up that cash cow. They know exactly what they got in that and why change it? The second one is the big one and that is Title IX. They would have to go to court and prove that if the break apart, they would still follow the rule. Yes the make a ton of $$$, but if they break away, the lower of the two would also go to court to try to have it overturned and the NCAA knows this. The Premiere League thing will never work because there is no advantage in having the likes of Duke, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. bounce up and down out of a division. Actually, the only advantage I see is if a team like Tulsa gets bumped up and we can all bet on the over/under of their return to the lower league. As far as the basketball tournament, let's be clear. We shouldn't talk about the ncaa as if it is something separate from the schools. It is a member organization. If it wants to exist, it needs to play ball with the BCS level teams or they really go on their own. The ncaa basketball tournament is a fundraising endeavor for the ncaa and the BCS schools would be better off to leave the ncaa and have their own tournament; thus, keeping the money for themselves. The BCS schools would be in a better position to fund Title IX if they left the ncaa. I could see schools like Akron really struggling to keep up with Title IX and having to make cuts. In fact, I could see an Athletic Department with only Football, MBB, WBB, Volleyball and Track & Field. Not certain how that would be a bad thing either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 MAC Media Day: Steinbrecher: "The system is broken" Click on video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I agree completely and this is whey I so badly want MAClike conference away from the BCS mess. If we stay at the level we are now, it is a pretense to believe we can compete at that level. It has been an ongoing wheel-spinning endeavor for us and for just about every school in a MAClike conference. We need to get away from it asap and let those schools (Kansas, Indiana, Purdue, Duke, etc) kill themselves for money. I for one am sick of trying to do it without any results. While I enjoyed going to Tenneesee and we gave them a game, I, too wouldn't mind playing a schedule where we had a realistic chance to win every game. So while the commish of the Big 12 is hinting at the 5 power conferences ONLY playing each other and keeping all the money, for themselves, the big ten has only agreed at this point not to play FCS teams. A huge difference and one that is meaningless for the big ten. Big deal that YSU is not an option, yet Alabama Birmingham is!! The question is can you get all the commissioners of the big five to agree with Bowlsby. Maybe in time, but not so fast. Also, can you get the AD's and coaches within the big five to sign-on to playing only other big five conference teams? At some point, the best teams will run out of cupcakes within the big five and will actually have to play non-conference games that they might lose. This will not be very attractive when push comes to shove, especially for coaches. Likewise, teams at the bottom of the big five will all be starting the year 1 and 3 and this will not fly either. I am sure the folks in Purdue for example, like the fact that in today's college football they can start the year 3 and 1 and then fight for 0.500. In the big five only scenario, hello to 3 and 9 every year. Go luck with that. Let the fun begin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 In fact, I could see an Athletic Department with only Football, MBB, WBB, Volleyball and Track & Field. Not certain how that would be a bad thing either. There is no way a school like Akron cuts men's soccer, but what if so many Athletic Departments did that those left were no longer enough to provide competition to one another and didn't attract the top players as a feeder system to MLS as is the case now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Likewise, teams at the bottom of the big five will all be starting the year 1 and 3 and this will not fly either. I am sure the folks in Purdue for example, like the fact that in today's college football they can start the year 3 and 1 and then fight for 0.500. In the big five only scenario, hello to 3 and 9 every year. Go luck with that.In the 42 seconds that I wasted thinking about this subject, this was one of my first thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Geeeeeeezzzzz. Stop ragging on OSU for scheduling cupcakes for non-conference games. When you play the meat grinder schedule of Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota & Illinois you can't get too beat up in your 1st 4 games. And the B1G sked is just going to get even tougher once the twin juggernauts of Maryland and Rutgers join next year. How loaded of a schedule to you want Ol Urb to play? So you criticize OSU for playing cupcakes... which means you're ripping the MAC then, right? I mean, OSU schedules a MAC team every year, so you're ripping us, correct? If we're just a bunch of cupcakes for football-factories like OSU, Tennessee, Michigan, etc, then what's the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Also, can you get the AD's and coaches within the big five to sign-on to playing only other big five conference teams? I'll address the AD portion of this statement first. My answer is, they would do it tomorrow because they are only thinking about the dollars, which is a perfect situation for a group of people with almost no moral compass. This decision goes beyond wins and losses. My guess is there were a lot of BCS ADs who loved the fact that the AD in the story spoke up. It reminds me of an old saying my architect friends tell me, "Never be the first to try something new and never be the last." The flood gates were opened this week. Athletic Directors see the future of college football the way NFL owners see their league. The NFL is about TV dollars and advertising. How bad is it for the Raiders or Browns owners that their teams suck year after year? In the grand scheme of things, it isn't a big deal because of the money they make outside of attendance and various other game day revenues. Source. Athletic Directors have known for decades now the goose that laid the golden egg is sitting in every living room around the country...the television. They don't want that money, they need it at this point. Why?.... ....Universities now have to pay for the "building process". Everything is real now and real money has to be spent to support what schools have done to build up their athletic departments. Soaking non-student athletes with higher student fees to support athletic departments will not be tolerated much longer. The money has become more important than winning or losing. As far as the coaches, they won't like it, but they will have nothing to say about it. If they don't like it, they can always quit coaching college football and go coach high school football, or be miserable coaching in the NFL (extremely limited job opportunities), or make a fraction of what they were making coaching broadcasting games, or any number of jobs that pay a fraction of what they were making coaching. The athletic directors know this and they won't give a hoot about what the coaches think about anything. When the coaches agree to only make $1 million per year maximum coaching (much higher paying job than they could get anywhere else), I might get a slight feeling of sorrow for their losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 So you criticize OSU for playing cupcakes... which means you're ripping the MAC then, right? I mean, OSU schedules a MAC team every year, so you're ripping us, correct? If we're just a bunch of cupcakes for football-factories like OSU, Tennessee, Michigan, etc, then what's the point. I am lampooning the Ohio State fans who think they play a tough schedule, specifically the ones who think the Big Ten is a tough football conference. It is not. I got an idea for you. If you want to call out people who rip on the Zips, there are plenty of targets for you on this board. Do not put words in my mouth or question my love for my university. If you will re-read my post, I think you will plainly see the only schools mentioned are Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Rutgers & Maryland. My esteemed colleague ZipsWin! mentioned North Central Florida Christian Academy. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I am lampooning the Ohio State fans who think they play a tough schedule, specifically the ones who think the Big Ten is a tough football conference. It is not. I got an idea for you. If you want to call out people who rip on the Zips, there are plenty of targets for you on this board. Do not put words in my mouth or question my love for my university. If you will re-read my post, I think you will plainly see the only schools mentioned are Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Rutgers & Maryland. My esteemed colleague ZipsWin! mentioned North Central Florida Christian Academy. Try again. My guess is these Ohio State fans are a figment of your imagination. Every OSU fan I know recognizes that the conference is down, and the PAC-12 opponents they currently have are also struggling. Again, if the Big Ten isn't a tough conference, then I guess the MAC is terrible too. BTW, Indiana, Illlinois, Purdue, Minnesota & Maryland are all better than Akron right now. Everyone likes to take pot shots at schools they really have no clue about. You can love Akron, but maybe we should win a few games before ripping anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 My guess is these Ohio State fans are a figment of your imagination. Every OSU fan I know recognizes that the conference is down, and the PAC-12 opponents they currently have are also struggling. Again, if the Big Ten isn't a tough conference, then I guess the MAC is terrible too. BTW, Indiana, Illlinois, Purdue, Minnesota & Maryland are all better than Akron right now. Everyone likes to take pot shots at schools they really have no clue about. You can love Akron, but maybe we should win a few games before ripping anyone. My bad. Go Bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 My bad. Go Bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Likewise, teams at the bottom of the big five will all be starting the year 1 and 3 and this will not fly either. I am sure the folks in Purdue for example, like the fact that in today's college football they can start the year 3 and 1 and then fight for 0.500. In the big five only scenario, hello to 3 and 9 every year. Go luck with that. There it is. Half of the Big Five teams are below .500 in conference. Some of them have a tough time beating the MAC teams as it is. They're not going to sign off on that. What would really work is a restructuring of the conferences, taking only the top 20 or 30 teams in the country to play in the super league. But the conferences won't sign off on that, because they are raking in money by the truckload now. If you cut the conferences in half, with the top half playing in the 30 teams playing in the super league and the rest playing in the current division, then the teams left behind lose their big payday from having the super teams at their stadium. So they're not going to like that. I don't see an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I am lampooning the Ohio State fans who think they play a tough schedule, specifically the ones who think the Big Ten is a tough football conference. It is not. I got an idea for you. If you want to call out people who rip on the Zips, there are plenty of targets for you on this board. Do not put words in my mouth or question my love for my university. If you will re-read my post, I think you will plainly see the only schools mentioned are Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Rutgers & Maryland. My esteemed colleague ZipsWin! mentioned North Central Florida Christian Academy. Try again. There are plenty of OSU honks that act like that. Whether someone hasn't been subjected to them or not is irrelevant. Even Je'Rod Cherry mentioned it last week. Those teams DO belong in the MAC, and have a hard time beating MAC opponents. What's wrong with saying that? The Zips are down right now, but a few short years ago we were the conference champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendofzippy Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 There are plenty of OSU honks that act like that. Whether someone hasn't been subjected to them or not is irrelevant. Even Je'Rod Cherry mentioned it last week. Those teams DO belong in the MAC, and have a hard time beating MAC opponents. What's wrong with saying that? The Zips are down right now, but a few short years ago we were the conference champions. You're getting sports information from WKNR? Well, that explains everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 You're getting sports information from WKNR? Well, that explains everything. Yeah who could ever believe the word of an OSU football alum. Oh wait. That was anti-Buckeye, wasn't it. I'm sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 There it is. Half of the Big Five teams are below .500 in conference. Some of them have a tough time beating the MAC teams as it is. They're not going to sign off on that. You are making the assumption the athletic directors who run the conferences will care about winning and losing. They are past that now. They only care about money at this point. The one thing I would like to point out to everyone is that when we use words like "conference" we are talking about a group of schools whose athletic directors run the conference. The ADs sit on the committees and make recommendations to the Presidents, who basically let the athletic directors do whatever they want. Likewise for the ncaa. The ncaa is a member organization, whose committees are staffed largely by athletic directors. Athletic directors come in two types: 1. AD at a large school who is focused entirely on raising money to support the "building process" and his salary. 2. AD at non BCS school who wants to be the AD at a large school and won't piss anyone off at a large school so he can keep himself/herself in line for a future big job, so they go along with everything the BCS ADs want. At the end of the day, these organizations are going to have to make a decision about the future of college football. With the athletic directors running these organization, and in many cases the universities they work for, does anyone really think they aren't going to side with taking the money? It's really about what athletic directors want, and not the "ncaa" or "conferences". Let's not over complicate what is really going on and who really runs things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted July 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 More Shows how far this idea has really gotten. Many converences (athletic directors) want to give the ncaa one more chance. Basically, change or else. The BCS conferences are setting this up so they won't look like such a bunch of a-holes after they start their own division. They are going to get a divorce from the ncaa because of irreconcilable differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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