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MAC Struggles to Keep up with Escalating FB Coach Salaries


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Good article :wave:

The Blade seems to cover MAC sports about as well as any news source. The widening gap was only a matter of time. It does put ambitious coordinators at "big" schools in a bit of a dilemma. If they are not willing to consider a temporary pay cut to start their own HC careers, they will have fewer and fewer opportunities as the gap continues to grow.

I thought the following quote was especially telling:

Among them was former Western Michigan head coach Bill Cubit, who was fired by the Broncos after the 2012 season and earned an increase of more than $20,000 as Illinois’ offensive coordinator.
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Good article and puts some numbers around what everyone already knew. It all smells like the cancerous "building process" to me. ADs must be thinking, "Build new stadiums...check. Create another waste of money....coordinators salaries! Start up the fundraising machine!" They have created a problem out of thin air just like they did the stadium building arms race.

This trend is something that could be good for some schools and not so great for others. There are times when fresh blood is needed to freshen up a program, which could mean a coach needs to fire a coordinator. What if the coordinator doesn't want to go? How much are the buyouts? What is the publicity cost to a coach who wants to fire "his guy"? How much are taxpayers going to have to pay for one guy not to work, or worse, get a buy out while working in another state?

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. I don't care what the BCS schools do. Most of what they do is obscene. Maybe it would be nice to have these problems. My guess is for the majority of BCS schools, these problems are more harm than good depending on the money they bring down and how much they need to spend. The bottom line is this. We don't have these problems and the part of me that just wants to talk about football is happy about that. Let's get the Hell away from these BCS schools asap so we don't get caught up in their obscenity.

Another question is, what are these schools getting...or worse, not getting for their money? If I remember it correctly from the stroy, Clemson pays their OC $1.2 million.... For what? Seven points against FSU in a home blowout? Not making the ACC Championship game? A win against an average tosu team? $1.2 million for that? Wow, that's money well spent...not! In the insane world of college athletics, the guy will probably get a contract extension.

There is an old psychological experiment. A group of 12 people are put in a room and 11 of them are actors told to act like they smell smoke. Eventually, the one non-actor will say he smells smoke also. In extremely small percentages, the non actor refuses to say he smells smoke. I would be one of the small percent who tells everyone in the room they are full of crap and there is no smoke. For those of you who may think this "coordinator salary issue" is a problem, it isn't. MAC schools can play good, entertaining football without coordinators making $1 million a year. Our house is not on fire guys.

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Good article and puts some numbers around what everyone already knew. It all smells like the cancerous "building process" to me. ADs must be thinking, "Build new stadiums...check. Create another waste of money....coordinators salaries! Start up the fundraising machine!" They have created a problem out of thin air just like they did the stadium building arms race.

This trend is something that could be good for some schools and not so great for others. There are times when fresh blood is needed to freshen up a program, which could mean a coach needs to fire a coordinator. What if the coordinator doesn't want to go? How much are the buyouts? What is the publicity cost to a coach who wants to fire "his guy"? How much are taxpayers going to have to pay for one guy not to work, or worse, get a buy out while working in another state?

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. I don't care what the BCS schools do. Most of what they do is obscene. Maybe it would be nice to have these problems. My guess is for the majority of BCS schools, these problems are more harm than good depending on the money they bring down and how much they need to spend. The bottom line is this. We don't have these problems and the part of me that just wants to talk about football is happy about that. Let's get the Hell away from these BCS schools asap so we don't get caught up in their obscenity.

Another question is, what are these schools getting...or worse, not getting for their money? If I remember it correctly from the stroy, Clemson pays their OC $1.2 million.... For what? Seven points against FSU in a home blowout? Not making the ACC Championship game? A win against an average tosu team? $1.2 million for that? Wow, that's money well spent...not! In the insane world of college athletics, the guy will probably get a contract extension.

There is an old psychological experiment. A group of 12 people are put in a room and 11 of them are actors told to act like they smell smoke. Eventually, the one non-actor will say he smells smoke also. In extremely small percentages, the non actor refuses to say he smells smoke. I would be one of the small percent who tells everyone in the room they are full of crap and there is no smoke. For those of you who may think this "coordinator salary issue" is a problem, it isn't. MAC schools can play good, entertaining football without coordinators making $1 million a year. Our house is not on fire guys.

I agree completely. I also like the fact that the MAC has continuously found the up and comers that have found success. I think the MAC can continue to be successful hiring the hungry young coaching talents wanting to make a name for themselves and not go after the often overrated BCS coordinators.

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Good article and puts some numbers around what everyone already knew. It all smells like the cancerous "building process" to me. ADs must be thinking, "Build new stadiums...check. Create another waste of money....coordinators salaries! Start up the fundraising machine!" They have created a problem out of thin air just like they did the stadium building arms race.

This trend is something that could be good for some schools and not so great for others. There are times when fresh blood is needed to freshen up a program, which could mean a coach needs to fire a coordinator. What if the coordinator doesn't want to go? How much are the buyouts? What is the publicity cost to a coach who wants to fire "his guy"? How much are taxpayers going to have to pay for one guy not to work, or worse, get a buy out while working in another state?

If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. I don't care what the BCS schools do. Most of what they do is obscene. Maybe it would be nice to have these problems. My guess is for the majority of BCS schools, these problems are more harm than good depending on the money they bring down and how much they need to spend. The bottom line is this. We don't have these problems and the part of me that just wants to talk about football is happy about that. Let's get the Hell away from these BCS schools asap so we don't get caught up in their obscenity.

Another question is, what are these schools getting...or worse, not getting for their money? If I remember it correctly from the stroy, Clemson pays their OC $1.2 million.... For what? Seven points against FSU in a home blowout? Not making the ACC Championship game? A win against an average tosu team? $1.2 million for that? Wow, that's money well spent...not! In the insane world of college athletics, the guy will probably get a contract extension.

There is an old psychological experiment. A group of 12 people are put in a room and 11 of them are actors told to act like they smell smoke. Eventually, the one non-actor will say he smells smoke also. In extremely small percentages, the non actor refuses to say he smells smoke. I would be one of the small percent who tells everyone in the room they are full of crap and there is no smoke. For those of you who may think this "coordinator salary issue" is a problem, it isn't. MAC schools can play good, entertaining football without coordinators making $1 million a year. Our house is not on fire guys.

I completely agree. I don't smell the smoke either. That amount of money is well spent elsewhere. The money some highly paid coordinators make could support 10 full time professors. This is the sad state of affairs that is the marrying of collegiate academics and athletics. At the pro level, millions are spent renovating new stadiums (a la FirstEnergy Stadium) while the public schools rot. Disgusting!

I would applaud UA and the rest of the mid-level universities for dismissing themselves from this madness. The University of Chicago chose academics over athletics. Why can't we do the same and be better off for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Maroons_football

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/663252-...hicago-marroons

"They would go on to win two national championships and seven Big 10 championships." "...responsible for the creation of the tackling dummy, the reverse, man in motion, the lateral pass, and numbered uniforms."

The University of Chicago also had a Heisman winner and twelve All-Americans. Quite the tradition, but I am much more impressed with the university's contributions to paleontology, physics, and medicine though.

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When did we ever remove the word "College" from College Athletics. The donors funneling tons of money into the notorious big-name schools is the culprit. It's time for everyone to take a step backwards. It's out of control.

Partly agree, partly disagree.

I agree that it is out of control, but we can't pretend it just started with this story. The "building process" started to get out of control about 10-15 years ago and nobody ever raised a hand to say, are we going insane?

In terms of big donors, it is a Catch 22 and they aren't the primary people we should point a finger. Big donors believe they can make a difference in winning by donating tons of money. Pickens did it at Oklahoma State. ADs are more than willing to take their money and tell them whatever they want to hear in order to get their hands on more so they can build the next arena, pad their resume and leave town before they have to live with their action. The donors are naive and misguided, but that's OK because they are fans and as a fan, we are allowed to think irrationally about things because our opinion really doesn't make a team win or lose or even bankrupt a school. The adults, ADs and Presidents, allowed this to get out of control and were more than willing to sit back and watch it.

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Interestingly (from a timing standpoint), Toledo hires Purdue DB coach Jon Heacock as DC. I wonder if he took a pay cut?

Very simple, he has 20 years in the Ohio retirement system working for various public institutions. He is padding his retirement.

At this point, the salary is insignificant as he will get a percent of an average of X years of service. The more he works in Ohio, the more the percent of the average goes up. I'm sure he made a decent income at YSU so his average salary for 2-4 years is probably real high.

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Very simple, he has 20 years in the Ohio retirement system working for various public institutions. He is padding his retirement.

At this point, the salary is insignificant as he will get a percent of an average of X years of service. The more he works in Ohio, the more the percent of the average goes up. I'm sure he made a decent income at YSU so his average salary for 2-4 years is probably real high.

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Good call. I get the Heacock brothers confused at times. Of course, both have spent a fair amount of time paying into Ohio's STRS.

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