Valpo Zip Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Feel free to discuss your vote especially if you voted "other". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippyrifle32 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 i'd like to see cj play, but not because the season is already over, but because i think he deserves a chance to salvage what's left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljc Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 It's not going to happen. Barring injury, or blow out, Jackson is not going to see the field. JD didn't bring Luke here from Pitt. to sit him on the bench. Luke is his guy. You can talk about it if you like, but as far as JD is concerned, there is no "quarterback situation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalapeño Zippy Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Which CJ are you talking about. Chris Jaquemain or Carlton Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Keep Luke on the field and try to win as many games as possible. I don't buy tickets to go watch the junior varsity play.All of this playing back-up players to get them ready for next season is what high school coaches do when they have a disaster on their hands. CJ can get ready for next season in the spring and fall next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballingirl Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I would like to see CJ on the field. I know Luke is JD's guy. That is why he has been on the field for 1 1/2 seasons even though he can't get the job done. The only reason he broke the records that he did last year was b/c he had an amazing offense fixing his mistakes. He had Biggs making 15 yard runs on bad handoffs where the play should've resulted in 4 yard losses. He had Hixon and J.Mont making diving catches that, due to the pass, should've been incomplete. MAC Championship, for example. The catch Hixon made in the endzone was by no means easy. He had 3 defenders covering him, and the pass was short. Luke got credit for that pass b/c Hixon was able to cover the mistake. I would like to at least see what CJ can do. It can't possibly be any worse than what Luke has shown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 he couldn't get the job done? we won he mac, and he passed for over 400 yards against memphis.i wish all the players on are team could not get the job done. every year like lukedid last year. i agree he did have good wr and and biggs last year. this year those people are not getting it done.dropped passes ect. luke can not throw it to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 He had Biggs making 15 yard runs on bad handoffs where the play should've resulted in 4 yard losses. The catch Hixon made in the endzone was by no means easy. Bad handoffs? That's a stretch for criticism.Back to the MACC catch. Had Hixon missed that pass, it would have been the biggest choke job in the history of UofA football. The perfectly thrown ball fell right into his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballingirl Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 As I said, you can look at the yards and think....WOW!!! This guy is good!! But if you actually watch the games, he has those yards b/c we had amazing receivers and a RB that could make up for his overthrown passes and bad handoffs. I agree with your point that there have been a lot of dropped passes this season so far. But the thing is, you have to look at the percentage of bad passes and sacs compared to the percentage of dropped passes. Every game, there are more passes thrown 20 past the receivers than passes dropped by the receivers. My point is, he doesn't know how to go through his progressions. Between the number of times he has gotten sacked and the number of interceptions he has thrown, he should be on the bench. Say Jabari Arthur got the starting position at QB last year. If he performed like Luke has been, he would be on the bench. The only reason Luke isn't is b/c he is a "good-ol-boy" of JD's. You know it is possible for people to make someone else look good! However, if you watch the game instead of looking at statistics, you will see differently. Pro scouts obviously have, considering they have backed off the pursuance of Luke since the CMU game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Luke is a senior and he is JD's guy. I don't think CJ should replace him, although I would like to see it. I would like to see CJ get a few series every game. He needs to get broken in and get some real game experience.Luke was bailed out a lot last year. This year he is showing his true ability, or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-P Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Guys..................This is the real world. Livelihoods (coaches) depend upon winning games. Coaches are going to play the cat they think can do the best job, no matter where he's from, who he know's, what color he is or what kind of attitude he displays.The staff needs to win to eat. End of discussion.If JD thinks Luke presents the best chance to win, he plays.Just f ckin beat those a-holes on Sunday and move on.................I hate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UADavid Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Keep Luke on the field and try to win as many games as possible. I don't buy tickets to go watch the junior varsity play.All of this playing back-up players to get them ready for next season is what high school coaches do when they have a disaster on their hands. CJ can get ready for next season in the spring and fall next year.Most coaches do play backups and give them real game experience while trying to win games. The coaches who don't try to win, if such a thing exists, are unemployed. Backups are one injury away from needing to play. We're not talking about protecting a red-shirt for either player. I don't advocate pulling Luke in favor of either CJ, but if the game is a blowout either way, we could and should get a look at selected backups and give them a taste of what they need to do. This would also keep the regulars from getting too complacent. The backups would be pushing them harder in practice to get more playing time. I would certainly feel better if Ohio St. is not either QB's first snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I think the topic of replacing Luke with a Freshman QB is ludicrous. Luke is the man. Period. Rarely has Luke missed his man when he's had a few seconds to throw. He's made some great tosses this year. Unfortunately, he's getting snowed-under about 0.56 seconds after the ball touches his hands. I think Alleman and Wills have done a solid job this year. However, some of the other guys have struggled. You can tell by the penalty calls...those are the guys that are getting beat. When 2...or 3...or even 4 of your OL's are pulling their weight, and even one doesn't, your QB is in trouble.Is Luke the most elusive QB in the conference? No chance in hell. But with the time he's had to throw this season, I don't think even Fran Tarkenton could buy enough time. In addition - Keep in mind he's throwing to a converted QB and a Freshman as his primary tarkets. That's not exactly Cherry, Irvin, Sparks and Hixson. As nice as Harvey has played, he's also in the very early stages of learning to run college-level routes. Him being in the wrong place has contributed to some of Luke's seemingly errant attempts.The easy "out" is to blame a coach or the QB for our troubles. It goes much much deeper than that. Our DL can't pressure the opposing QB to save their lives. That's killing our pass coverage. We also can't stop the opposing QB from getting 10-15 yards per rush. Our LB's have been solid in run stopping, but are letting the opposing TE run wild. Or RB...or whomever is 7 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. The don't get near the QB on blitzs, which sucks when you have a 3-man front.Offensively, our running game has been terrible. Some of that is due to Kennedy's injury. But a lot is due to our run blocking that seems to pack it in after one or two quarters. Our WR's and TE's are dropping passes.Our kicking game has been terrible.Get rid of Luke in favor of either CJ is waving a white flag on a season that is only half over. That would be pathetic. The remaining 6 games are emminently winnable. The seniors need to suck it up and pound these next six opponents. They should. If they do, that's an 8-win season and a bowl bid. We (the MAC) get three bids this year. K.e.n.t will get one. The MAC West winner will get one. The last one is up for grabs...and to be honest, the competition isn't all that stiff. We beat BG, OU and Toledo and the third bowl bid is ours.If we play like we've played the first 6 games, finishing 8-4 is pretty unlikely. I'm hopeful the Zips start playing with some pride and effort. And the coaching staff starts getting a little more creative. If so, we have the talent to be 8-4 in the MAC. JD said exactly that in the preseason. He should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 What the Captain said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACER Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 i agree with the captn. we had the same disscussion last year about replcaing luke. luckily the coaching staff did not do that. the main problem is our running game is terrible.not just bad ,but terrible. against cinnci we had 65 total rushing yards.kennedy had 29. you won't beat teams when your leading rusher gains 29 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRasor0200 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 The leading CJ is now, without question, Carlton Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZipsCrazy Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I don 't think you pull Getsy for a QB with no experience and hasn't even challenged for the spot in the off-season. I don't think either CJ will be anything more than a backup... I mean Hakes to Harvey has too good of a ring to it, haha. I dunno maybe I'm the only one, but I can't help but have hope that Hakes can play like he did on that highlight film once he adjusts to playing in college. If he can he will live up to the headline "Hakes' is next Frye"... thanks for that one MRasor, I'm holding you to that one hahaha. Seriously though, I also find it a little ironic that if CJ were going to start next year they would give him some playing time. BUT they aren't and it might be a sign that they aren't happy with either CJ's progression and they're just going to play Luke because nobody else is close to him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovezips Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Luke is the QB and he should stay there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Would anyone like to reconsider their vote?One day, CJ is going to be a good player for us, but now is not the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballingirl Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Not at all. What would we look like if we sat Luke every time he fumbled the ball or threw an interception? His butt would have been on the bench since the first game! It's called nerves and CJ needs a second chance to get comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXZipFan Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Luke is the QB and there is no reason as long as we are in the game to play any other QB. Why would we a throw kid into a ballgame who's got nerves like that, unless there is nothing to lose? You don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipseuph Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I think Luke will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 The fact that cj fumbled makes me feel more pressure about giving him some snaps before the end of this year... Remember, Luke won't be here next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXZipFan Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 CJ will get his opportunity to get some snaps before the end of the season, I think what were all saying is that we don't want him taking those snaps in a situation that has any significance. As crazy as it sounds we still have a shot at a bowl game and Luke gives us the best opportunity to win. But CJ will get his shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UADavid Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 CJ will get his opportunity to get some snaps before the end of the season, I think what were all saying is that we don't want him taking those snaps in a situation that has any significance. As crazy as it sounds we still have a shot at a bowl game and Luke gives us the best opportunity to win. But CJ will get his shot.He's already lost valuable experience by not playing him late in the N. Texas game and our terrible effort against Can't. Spring games are not the same as opening up against tosu next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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