A Disappointing Year for Our QB's

[ziptrumpet87]

Noone has won anything up here since, forever.

OK, I'll give you that the major sports (Browns, Indians and Cavs) haven't, but the Cleveland Force won a MISL title a few years back, the Akron Racers won the title a year ago, and the Akron Aeros also won their title a year or so ago.

[Jalapeño Zippy]

In regards to the two interceptions in two weeks that Charlie threw.The first was against Baltimore and Charlie was flattened while throwing the ball. He was unable to get the right touch on the ball to get it over the defender. You're right, that wasn't the lines fault. They talked that they have run that play in practice many times and many times they were successful, the line knew what it had to do and failed. If he would not have been hit it would have been a touchdown or at least since he threw it to Braylon a dropped pass. The second game he admitted it was his fault and hey like it wasn't obvious that it was. He stated after the game that he trusted too much in Kellen to make a play for him so he purposely threw up the jump ball. He is learning his lessons and taking a beating while doing it. He is the most hit QB in the NFL this season, but again you're right, it's Charlies fault for that, I mean he should see those pass rushers coming from his blind side or be able to scramble through the gaps we all know the offesive line has been so great at making for the running game. The fact that this board is taking cheap shots at a QB that helped put Akron on the map by winning the MVP of the Senior Bowl and being drafted by a team that has done nothing but ruin QBs since they have come back is absolutely ridiculous. Charlie has worked his ass off for Akron and the Borwns and we choose to bash him. This is ridiculous.

[Buckzip]

I may be wrong here, but I don't see anyone "bashing" him. We are saying he isn't that great, and to stop making excuses for him.I have not read where anyone says he sucks, or he should go shoot himself.Excuses are for losers. At this point, Charlie isn't getting the job done. Will he in the future? Noone knows. However, he is making a lot of mistakes. If he can learn from his mistakes and the Browns can get an o-line we will find out what he is all about.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Noone has won anything up here since, forever.

OK, I'll give you that the major sports (Browns, Indians and Cavs) haven't, but the Cleveland Force won a MISL title a few years back, the Akron Racers won the title a year ago, and the Akron Aeros also won their title a year or so ago.

Refering to those championships is the biggest stretch since

[Buckzip]

Hey, where is GI Joe with the Kung Fu grip?

[fear the brown roo]

C'mon any resemblence between the Browns and a REAL NFL o=line is purely happenstance.With ball ammubition lock and load.

And you think Frye would be playing well otherwise? Many of his mistakes have been when he's had plenty of time...you can only blame the o-line for so much...

You are wrong. Without an offensive line what can happen other than mistakes, injuries and losses? It is impossible to blame the o-line enough!

So you think with a decent line Frye wouldn't be doing as poorly as he is? Honestly?

sgm405,You are absolutely right. Frye is what he is. Don't waste your time. These guys spent four years while he was at Akron making excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. If it's not play calling, it's the o-line or it's the defense or the receivers can't catch or there is no running game. The excuses go on and on and on and on.

this from the guy who says luke is the second best qb ever at akron.

[UADavid]

GP1  Posted: Sep 1 2006, 08:18 AM  I once told you guys that regardless of what your wives and girlfriends tell you, size does matter. When looking at NFL prospects, it is especially true. I think Luke is great for the program and I would even go as far as to say he is the second best QB in Zips history behind Mike Johnson, but I think a lot of NFL teams may take a pass on him because of his size. The question isn't who is better, it is will he make it? 

fear the brown roo Posted on Oct 31 2006, 07:39 PM this from the guy who says luke is the second best qb ever at akron.

How many other pearls of wisdom could we repost?

[GP1]

GP1   Posted: Sep 1 2006, 08:18 AM   I once told you guys that regardless of what your wives and girlfriends tell you, size does matter. When looking at NFL prospects, it is especially true. I think Luke is great for the program and I would even go as far as to say he is the second best QB in Zips history behind Mike Johnson, but I think a lot of NFL teams may take a pass on him because of his size. The question isn't who is better, it is will he make it? 

fear the brown roo Posted on Oct 31 2006, 07:39 PM this from the guy who says luke is the second best qb ever at akron.

How many other pearls of wisdom could we repost?

You two girls can post whatever you want while taking breaks from your praying toward Cincinnati, but Luke is still the only QB in school history to win a championship. I'll take that any day. Results are the only things that matter.Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.Have a nice day girls.

[UADavid]

You two girls can post whatever you want while taking breaks from your praying toward Cincinnati, but Luke is still the only QB in school history to win a championship. I'll take that any day. Results are the only things that matter.

That's right, he did it all himself. You are deluding yourself and I think it's really quite funny. How long did it take you to come up with the two girls crack? Truly one for the ages. Well done! Thank you!

[GP1]

You two girls can post whatever you want while taking breaks from your praying toward Cincinnati, but Luke is still the only QB in school history to win a championship. I'll take that any day. Results are the only things that matter.

That's right, he did it all himself. You are deluding yourself and I think it's really quite funny. How long did it take you to come up with the two girls crack? Truly one for the ages. Well done! Thank you!

My pleasure.

[UADavid]

Let's look at Mike Johnson, a nice qb for Akron. 22 games 598 attempts 281 complete 26 int. 20 td's 3989 yards .470 pct. 181.3 ypg23 games 669 attempts 420 complete 15 int. 24 td's 4877 yards .628 pct. 212.0 ypgthese were Charlies first two years. To be fair, we need to look at Charlies last two years since Mike played his junior and senior year after transferring.23 games 767 attempts 493 complete 17 int. 40 td's 6172 yards .643 pct. 268.3 ypg

Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.

What exactly is your point? You're so results oriented. These are their respective stats at the qb position. Your statements are absurd. Mike was a good qb, Charlie has been our best qb to date by a country mile.

[GP1]

Let's look at Mike Johnson, a nice qb for Akron. 22 games 598 attempts 281 complete 26 int. 20 td's 3989 yards .470 pct. 181.3 ypg23 games 669 attempts 420 complete 15 int. 24 td's 4877 yards .628 pct. 212.0 ypgthese were Charlies first two years. To be fair, we need to look at Charlies last two years since Mike played his junior and senior year after transferring.23 games 767 attempts 493 complete 17 int. 40 td's 6172 yards .643 pct. 268.3 ypg

Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.

What exactly is your point? You're so results oriented. These are their respective stats at the qb position. Your statements are absurd. Mike was a good qb, Charlie has been our best qb to date by a country mile.

Faust ran the ball continually as it was a different time in college football and he had a offense that was running back centered. Frye had QB centered offense, especially his junior year so he could more easily run up the statistics (with the exception of wins of course). Frye had way better players around him than Johnson did. In the end, neither won anything. I appreciate your statistics, but I'll stick with MJ as they don't tell the whole story.I just like to break up the party when everyone starts dancing arond the calf.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Let's look at Mike Johnson, a nice qb for Akron. 22 games 598 attempts 281 complete 26 int. 20 td's 3989 yards .470 pct. 181.3 ypg23 games 669 attempts 420 complete 15 int. 24 td's 4877 yards .628 pct. 212.0 ypgthese were Charlies first two years.  To be fair, we need to look at Charlies last two years since Mike played his junior and senior year after transferring.23 games 767 attempts 493 complete 17 int. 40 td's 6172 yards .643 pct. 268.3 ypg

Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.

What exactly is your point? You're so results oriented. These are their respective stats at the qb position. Your statements are absurd. Mike was a good qb, Charlie has been our best qb to date by a country mile.

Faust ran the ball continually as it was a different time in college football and he had a offense that was running back centered. Frye had QB centered offense, especially his junior year so he could more easily run up the statistics (with the exception of wins of course). Frye had way better players around him than Johnson did. In the end, neither won anything. I appreciate your statistics, but I'll stick with MJ as they don't tell the whole story.I just like to break up the party when everyone starts dancing arond the calf.

Charlie is a starting QB in the NFL. Mike Johnson's skills never got him anywhere but the CFL and NFL Europe. 'nuff said.

[GP1]

Let's look at Mike Johnson, a nice qb for Akron. 22 games 598 attempts 281 complete 26 int. 20 td's 3989 yards .470 pct. 181.3 ypg23 games 669 attempts 420 complete 15 int. 24 td's 4877 yards .628 pct. 212.0 ypgthese were Charlies first two years.  To be fair, we need to look at Charlies last two years since Mike played his junior and senior year after transferring.23 games 767 attempts 493 complete 17 int. 40 td's 6172 yards .643 pct. 268.3 ypg

Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.

What exactly is your point? You're so results oriented. These are their respective stats at the qb position. Your statements are absurd. Mike was a good qb, Charlie has been our best qb to date by a country mile.

Faust ran the ball continually as it was a different time in college football and he had a offense that was running back centered. Frye had QB centered offense, especially his junior year so he could more easily run up the statistics (with the exception of wins of course). Frye had way better players around him than Johnson did. In the end, neither won anything. I appreciate your statistics, but I'll stick with MJ as they don't tell the whole story.I just like to break up the party when everyone starts dancing arond the calf.

Charlie is a starting QB in the NFL. Mike Johnson's skills never got him anywhere but the CFL and NFL Europe. 'nuff said.

Cleveland is the only place in the NFL he could start.

[Captain Kangaroo]

There were plenty of crappy NFL organizations (like the Browns) in need of a QB during Mike's playing days. He never sniffed an NFL field.

[GP1]

There were plenty of crappy NFL organizations (like the Browns) in need of a QB during Mike's playing days. He never sniffed an NFL field.

I'll still take MJ.I'll give you the last word.

[UADavid]

I just like to break up the party when everyone starts dancing arond the calf.

Anyone have a clue?

Faust ran the ball continually as it was a different time in college football and he had a offense that was running back centered. Frye had QB centered offense, especially his junior year so he could more easily run up the statistics

Johnson averaged 27.2 attempts per game in his run offense and Charlie averaged 29.0 in his first two years and 33.3 his last two. Those pesky facts always getting in the way.................................... 2003 was Charlie's junior year when he padded his stats. Bobby Hendry 231 attempts 981 yards 1988 was Mike Johnsons junior yearDoug Lewis 119 attempts 609 yards 1988Doug Lewis 171 attempts 763 yards 1989Hendry was the main running back throughout most of Charlie's UA carreer and is ranked 5th all time behind the 4th all time Brandon Payne who also played 2 years during Charlie's time at UA.I am also a fan of the Zips and have been for some time. My recollection of the games appears to be different from yours. Just adding some insight for others and, in my opinion, setting the record straight.

[UADavid]

I'll give you the last word.

That may be your funniest post to date. Keep on shooting, you might hit something.

[GP1]

I just like to break up the party when everyone starts dancing arond the calf.

Anyone have a clue? Johnson averaged 27.2 attempts per game in his run offense and Charlie averaged 29.0 in his first two years and 33.3 his last two. Those pesky facts always getting in the way....................................

You can use all the statistics you want, but I still think MJ was just as good as Frye and would have been just as successful if not more successful than Frye on Frye's teams. In defense of MJ, teams tend to throw the ball a lot in the fourth quarter when they are behind. MJ was always playing from behind and throwing late in the game to try to come from behind.Dancing around the calf is an internet term that I don't have time to explain right now. It's Biblical in nature.

[UADavid]

GP1  Posted: Oct 30 2006, 08:06 AM  You are absolutely right. Frye is what he is. Don't waste your time. These guys spent four years while he was at Akron making excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. If it's not play calling, it's the o-line or it's the defense or the receivers can't catch or there is no running game. The excuses go on and on and on and on. 

GP1  Posted: Oct 30 2006, 05:05 PM  Someone should come up with a ten excuses for Frye key to save people time typing. Each excuse could just have a number that people would place into their post when they feel the never ending desire to make an excuse for his lack of winning.

GP1  Posted: Nov 1 2006, 01:27 PM  You can use all the statistics you want, but I still think MJ was just as good as Frye and would have been just as successful if not more successful than Frye on Frye's teams. In defense of MJ, teams tend to throw the ball a lot in the fourth quarter when they are behind. MJ was always playing from behind and throwing late in the game to try to come from behind.

GP1  Posted: Nov 1 2006, 10:42 AM  Results are the only things that matter.Mike Johnson played with absolute crap at Akron. He actually transfered from a JC that he went to after transfering from Arizona State after a family situation. The guy was a rock solid QB on a horrible team.

Sounds like a bunch of excuses that can't be supported by the facts.

[UADavid]

GP1  Posted: Nov 1 2006, 12:47 PM  Cleveland is the only place in the NFL he could start. 

[ZachTheZip]

GP1   Posted: Nov 1 2006, 12:47 PM   Cleveland is the only place in the NFL he could start. 

I am pretty sure Tennessee and a few other teams would give a TON to have Frye be their starting QB right now.

[Buckzip]

Come on now, let's be realistic. Frye may not be the best QB in the NFL, but he doesn't suck either. There is a lot of room between star and flop.I don't feel he will ever be Peyton Manning, but he isn't Ryan Leaf either.He will be solid if given an offensive line to help him.

[UADavid]

After 12 or 13 starts for Charlie, it amazes me that so many can predict the future. Anyone have some lotto numbers they can share with the group?

[fear the brown roo]

i wonder why gp1 was such a big crush for johnson? was he busy sitting on the bench, not playing, waiting to hand mike a gatorade or a towel? who's jock are you going to carry now that kreger is gone?