Big Zip Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I was watching LSU play last week and watched them end up playing their third string QB for part of the game. This made me think about the Zips and how amazing the last seven years have been with Butchie and then Charlie -- I know Nick was intended to be in there too, but Charlie stepped in and never let go. This has to be the best 7 years of quarterbacking Akron has ever seen. It also adds some pressure to Getsy. Think about what we've been used to seeing for the last 7 years. Is this the kind of play we should be expecting from the QB slot going forward? Did Akron just get extremely lucky with their QB picks. Did Tom Stacy coach both QBs until this year. Does he deserve a lot of the credit. Does LO deserve the credit for finding these two guys? Just thought I'd like to thank Butchie and Charlie for 7 great years of QB and wish Luke the best of luck. I hope in two years we can say Luke and everyone will know him by just his first name the way you do when you say Butchie and Charlie or Frye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Oh God.....here we go again. In total, the last seven years were anything other than amazing. Why do all Zips fans assume that we can never do better than what we are doing now or in the past? Not only should we expect more out of our team, but we should demand more. Typically, if you aim high, you hit high. If you aim low, you hit low. Come on Big Zip, you like the school too much to expect so little. Once again, I am going to use facts in my note, so if you don't like facts, please don't read this note. They all come from the 2004 Press Guide and not my . Between 1954 and 1999, Akron only registered a 2,000 yard passer twice. Let's just say passing was not the focus of the offenses in college football in general a large part of this period. Jim Dennison was a running style coach at Akron and a lot of running records were set during his time. The same can also be said for Faust. In the last, let's just say 3-4 years, a lot of passing records were set at a school that historically did not pass a lot. You are a wise person Big Zip and unfortunately for all of us you are 100% correct. These have been the best 7 consecutive years for QBs at U of A. The frustrating thing is that, in those seven years, there have only been three seasons where the team finished over .500 in wins against Division 1-A teams. Amazing.....? People love to post the usual variety of excuses for the lack of success, please spare us all. Sorry if tears don't come to my eyes when I think of the past seven years or the players involved. I have too many years left of watching Zips football to believe those will be the best years. If they are, I should give up my season tickets I'm looking at my trusted 2004 press guide again, and I would hope that with the exception of Charlie's year in 2003 (3,549 yards in 12 games and Cal Poly and Howard on the schedule), we could get even more production out of the QB position. Butchie only threw for over 2,000 yards once, but if you calculate his yards per completion, he got much more out of his throws than Charlie did. If anyone remembers, Butchie threw a great deep pass. I don't know what Charlie's yards per completion were in 2004, but his average prior to 2004 was 12.08 in 2001. By his own standards, he had a sub par year in 2004 and probably did not have a lot of yards per completion, but I don't have the numbers. Butchie had 17.7 yards per completion in 1999. Charlie's most impressive number is his completion percentage in 2002 (.658). I have no idea how this stacks up nationally or historically, but my guess is that it is one of the highest completion percentages in the history of college football. The Owens offense was really designed to have a high completion percentage with a lot of play action passing and short passes to the tight ends or running backs running for a lot of yards after the catch. Owens does deserve some credit for taking kids with lesser ability (God knows he had enough of them) and putting them in positions to keep games close. Also, they played from behind a lot so they were forced to pass and run up passing yards. The challenge for Luke is not going to be breaking records because he will only be a two year starter so he will not have the time to break the vast majority of the records. The challenge is going to be to win games against good teams and getting the program over the hump and into the MAC Championship Game and their first bowl game. I've really had enough of record breaking seasons with nothing to show at the end. If you think other than this, your expectations for the program are too low. Maybe one day we can all say Luke was a winner and not a record breaker. Looking forward, the total passing yards set by Frye are certainly breakable. I'm hoping that with the new field house and possibly a new stadium, Akron can attract the type of QB who will make us all say, "Charlie who?". Is more than 12,500 yards really too much to ask a future four year starter to produce? I really don't think so. Finally Big Zip, you thanked the players. I really don't think we need to thank the men playing for Akron. They receive a full scholarship in exchange for playing football. The least they should do is try hard and do their best. They should thank us for buying tickets and giving to the alumni fund and the Varsity A to help them go to school for free. Have a good day everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 You're right......here we go again. No matter what anyone says to give Frye his due, you find a way to put a negative spin on it. Sure we all want to win more, and if that's the bottom line.....fine. But stop belittling Frye and his accomplishments.....You give him no credit and make it sound like it was easy to put up the numbers he did. If it was, how come exactly Zero qb's before him started 4 years and put up the numbers he did.-- The team will win more when........we get better players. Like 85 Div. 1 players....not a handful. On the bright side, at least we didn't have to hear about Miami of Ohio ....... Finally, if Luke wins more or is/becomes a better quarterback than Frye, great. (I'm sure it will be another opportunity for you to beliite Frye, though.) On the flip side, if I poor-mouthed every Zip player like you do to Frye and based my entire opinion of a player on the team W/L record, I would of stopped following the Zips years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Finally Big Zip, you thanked the players. I really don't think we need to thank the men playing for Akron. They receive a full scholarship in exchange for playing football. The least they should do is try hard and do their best. They should thank us for buying tickets and giving to the alumni fund and the Varsity A to help them go to school for free. Wow...and I thought I was frustrated over the past 20 years... BZ's post simply stated we've seen some great QB play in the past 7 years. Your rant about having too few wins during that period is marginally valid, but has noting to do with BZ's post. I'll leave it at that. Regarding the quoted passage above, I couldn't disagree more with respect to thanking the players that have competed for the University over the past several years. Who cares if they got a scholarship? All had opportunities to attend other universities, large or small, yet chose to be Zips. The seniors put "Akron" on their uniforms and represented the University well for 4 to 5 years. I had a blast watching the likes of Matt Cherry, Sparks, Payne, Frye, Dwight Smith, Jason Taylor, Chase Blackburn, Bobby Hendry, Konrad Dean, Jud Cummins, Jake Schifino...and on and on. Yes, the wins were fewer than I'd prefer, but those guys bought into an Akron program with no field house, no championship legacy, no adoring fan base, an ambivolent local media, 6 mile trips to practice in the backs of beater pick up trucks, no $100 OSU booster "hand shakes"...almost zero TV exposure...man...how can you rebuke an Akron fan for thanking these guys? They were the BEST! The saying "Hate the game, not the player" applies here. Get pissed at Dennis Helsel, Bill Muse, Gerry Faust, Lee Owens, Peggy Gordon Elliott...take your pick. But, don't dismiss these player's contributions. They're the bedrock for all the unbelievably positive team accomplishments we're going to witness over the next several years. BTW: A special "Thanks" to the recent players for the two Marshall wins! I'd been waiting 20 years for a legit reason to storm the field after a big win, and you gave it to me...and I am ETERNALLY gratefull! Existing players: Keep doing the great job your doing in selling the new recruits on the University during the recruiting visits! Unreal job thusfar!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thanks for your note Capt. I certainly don't hate any of the players that came through the program. I just like to post notes with a little more than emotion in them. Perhaps my post does not pertain directly to BZ's post, but it's pretty good stuff and really gets the board going. The board doesn't always have to be a love fest. I stand by every word of my post though. Again, there are some out there who don't like facts. Just a quick note for Guest as I only saw Capt's note on my first repost. Let's not kid ourselves. If Nick Sparks doesn't get hurt in his first game starting, we still have zero QBs who started four years....... It is what it is though. Frye took advantage of his chance to play.....I'll just leave it there as I don't want to hurt your feelings again as you may be too sensitive....or in love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-P Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 We've come thru "an era". I think it could be accurately called the build up to......... and era of....................Paul Winter's offenses. Wasn't Paul the OC who slotted Butchie at trigger? Didn't he recruit Jake, Rit, Lavel and the other sticky fingered cats behind them? I'll always remember Butchie's long balls to Lavel. He threw soooooo high......a much taller ball than Superman threw...........but maybe not quite as hard. Then Bailey would all of a sudden appear under them at the right moment.............you guys remember that. His O Line was pretty damn good too. How about Zac? How the hell did he not make the Sunday League? Anyway, the entire offensive side of the game has been damn good for 7 or 8 years. JD's now got the reigns. He's brought his guy (Getsy) with him, so it will really be his team in 05...............I can't wait to "go horse" shouting in the stands again next season. GP1 .........lots and lots of those guys could have gone elsewhere and had better educations than they got at UA (many had the smarts and financial capabilities to go wherever they wanted).............they chose to play for us because of the coaches mostly...........or gee, was it the bowl, practice facilities or beautiful campus? Let's give Paul some love once in a while. He deserved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest YooperZip Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 How about Zac? How the hell did he not make the Sunday League? I hear that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Butchie got a cup of coffee in theCFL and Charlie looks to be a 1st round pick. The QB position over the last 7 years has been a strongsuit for Akron. And our QB play ranks in the top 5 of the league over that time. Watching some of these other teams reminded me of the days with Greg Gromek and Mike Junko. I feel good about Getsy or Arthur stepping in, and Akron will be more balanced in all areas which should translate to more wins, less stats but more wins. It would be nice to be known as QB U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipsrifle Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 I was suprised that Butchie didn't get a shot at the NFL.....more suprised the Zack didn't get in. I have to agree that if Nick didn't get Hurt, Frye would have been on the bench for a while. He got his shot and thankfully, made the most of it. I just hope that Getsy has Frye's 6th sense for when he's about to get creamed, can throw on the run, and takes care of the ball. I think that was what 5 was really outstanding at, he almost always made good decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 GP1 .........lots and lots of those guys could have gone elsewhere and had better educations than they got at UA (many had the smarts and financial capabilities to go wherever they wanted) Even a few days later, that comment bugs me. If a player feels he would get a better education elsewhere, he should have gone "there." I've fired employees with degrees from "better" schools. Why? Becuase they weren't pulling their weight. With a sand wedge from my cubicle I could hit 10 University of Akron graduates that are valuable contributors to our company. Accountants, engineers, graphic designers, heads of QC, product managers, marketing managers, and on and on. Allegedly "better" schools don't translate to "better" students. I'm not so blind to think that The University of Akron is the best place in the free world to get an education, but it is VERY good. In my 16 years of post-graduation work experience, never have I felt at an intellectual disadvantage because of the curriculum. If you graduated from The University of Akron, you are as prepared as anyone to be successful in your profession. If The University of Akron was such a cakewalk, then take your 4.0 and go to grad school at a "better" school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-P Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Oops............... Point taken, and undestood...............and apologized for. Substitute "different" for "better" and that gets to where I was going with that comment, My bad........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 GP1 .........lots and lots of those guys could have gone elsewhere and had better educations than they got at UA (many had the smarts and financial capabilities to go wherever they wanted) Even a few days later, that comment bugs me. If a player feels he would get a better education elsewhere, he should have gone "there." I've fired employees with degrees from "better" schools. Why? Becuase they weren't pulling their weight. With a sand wedge from my cubicle I could hit 10 University of Akron graduates that are valuable contributors to our company. Accountants, engineers, graphic designers, heads of QC, product managers, marketing managers, and on and on. Allegedly "better" schools don't translate to "better" students. Nice work Capt. See my original quote. You are truely a high aimer. We need to expect more out of our players, all of them, than what we have seen. It's time to win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Oops............... Point taken, and undestood...............and apologized for. Substitute "different" for "better" and that gets to where I was going with that comment, My bad........... No problem, Artist Formerly Known as Z-Pastie. You're still on my exclusive Tailgating "A-list" (a highly coveted status). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 With a sand wedge from my cubicle I could hit 10 University of Akron graduates that are valuable contributors to our company. Accountants, engineers, graphic designers, heads of QC, product managers, marketing managers, and on and on. Allegedly "better" schools don't translate to "better" students. Well said. Awhile back someone ticked me off about this same thing & I posted similar experiences to a board somewhere sometime .. might have been dreamwater or macbbs .. and since the macbbss search function blows, I can't find it. But I couldn't agree more w/ CK. ZW (not a UA grad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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