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Sep 25 2009, 09:25 AM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1250 Joined: 6-November 06 Member No.: 681 |
Recruits and players are going to leave the program or look elsewhere any time there is a coaching change. In that matter there really isn't a "good" time to make a coaching change. If it is plainly obvious that the coach is a lame duck you should cut ties now and move forward as such. a well taken,if unfortunate point... -------------------- [SIZE=7][FONT=Geneva] ziptex
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Sep 25 2009, 11:39 AM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1390 Joined: 15-March 05 From: In the Zone... of course Member No.: 154 |
I got it confirmed this morning that Jac was in fact caught stealing from his teammates and coaches, and had been doing so for a long time. What a POS. I could never have even thought about stealing from my teammates, they were closer to me than my family. When you spend that much time with a group of guys and bleed and sweat and go to battle with them every Saturday, it creates a bond stronger than blood, but I guess that's only true for guys who aren't worthless thugs like Jacquemain. And from a senior QB, a guy who's supposed to be leading the team, wow, I can't even imagine how he could live with himself. I'm not sure why JD said it wasn't a criminal matter, because thievery, regardless of where it's done and who it's done to, is still a crime, and a worse crime than normal in this case IMO. Unimaginable to me how he could do that.
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Sep 25 2009, 12:42 PM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6718 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Parts Unknown, USA Member No.: 91 |
I could never have even thought about stealing from my teammates, they were closer to me than my family. When you spend that much time with a group of guys and bleed and sweat and go to battle with them every Saturday, it creates a bond stronger than blood, Aren't you being a little over-dramatic? -------------------- "...you want it to be one way. But it's the other way." --Marlo Stanfield, The Wire
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Sep 25 2009, 02:32 PM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2889 Joined: 26-February 05 Member No.: 142 |
Recruits and players are going to leave the program or look elsewhere any time there is a coaching change. In that matter there really isn't a "good" time to make a coaching change. If it is plainly obvious that the coach is a lame duck you should cut ties now and move forward as such. a well taken,if unfortunate point... Actually if Walt Harris was named coach, that may keep things moving. -------------------- Half Buck, Half Zip, All Man.
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Sep 25 2009, 03:14 PM
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![]() UA Intramural Legend ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 7887 Joined: 23-February 04 From: McDonald Ohio Member No.: 3 |
The whole "Elevate Walt Harris to Head Coach next week" thing is absurd.
So our new AD...he's been here all of 3 weeks...is going to fire a coach who began the season 1-3, with games against 2 Big Ten teams and the #1 team in the MAC? No f-ing chance. Ok...say he does fire JD after a 1-3 start to the season. He goes up to Walt Harris and says: "Hey...I just fired your friend...the guy that gave you a chance to get back into football when no one else really would...now I need someone to replace him. I think you'd do a great job. Would you like to coach the Akron Zips?" I could see Harris' reaction being -- "You fired my friend after you've known him for three weeks?! And now you want me to replace him? What happens to me if I go 1-3 in my next four games? Are you insane? Do you think I don't have a soul? Look...I'm still pulling in $800,000 this year from Stanford. I don't need the money, and I CERTAINLY don't need the aggravation?! Keep it." Unless he quits, JD is here for the remainder of the year. The chances of him getting fired range somewhere between Blutarski's GPA and Jacquemain's chances of a mid-season nomination for Team Captain. The schedule gets ridiculously easier over the next several weeks. He has every opportunity to win 6 more games and keep his job. I think he has the talent on the field to do it. It is up to him to come up with the game plans and adjustments to do it. He needs to change his motto from "3 More Feet" to "Six More Wins." That's what he really needs. |
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Sep 25 2009, 03:23 PM
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![]() Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 5-July 08 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4989 |
I got it confirmed this morning that Jac was in fact caught stealing from his teammates and coaches, and had been doing so for a long time. What a POS. I could never have even thought about stealing from my teammates, they were closer to me than my family. When you spend that much time with a group of guys and bleed and sweat and go to battle with them every Saturday, it creates a bond stronger than blood, but I guess that's only true for guys who aren't worthless thugs like Jacquemain. And from a senior QB, a guy who's supposed to be leading the team, wow, I can't even imagine how he could live with himself. I'm not sure why JD said it wasn't a criminal matter, because thievery, regardless of where it's done and who it's done to, is still a crime, and a worse crime than normal in this case IMO. Unimaginable to me how he could do that. I'm with you ITZ, but I have to believe that there were deep-seated problems/issues that were causal factors in the thefts, their long-running nature and the fact that things were held so close to the vest when he was dismissed. We can hope that UA and Jacq's family are getting him the help he needs to move forward in a positive way. Hopefully he'll turn it all around from here. GO ZIPS! STZ |
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Sep 25 2009, 03:34 PM
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![]() Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 5-July 08 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4989 |
Ah, but Cap'n, are you completely confident that Proenza is going to give Wistrcill any of the leeway that you infer? Is it not just as likely that even if Wistrcill were willing to muddle through a half-assed season, that from his perch High Atop Infocision Stadium (where the fireplace will soon be lit as the weather changes) Proenza will become incensed at the lack of traction being gained by this program in their first and only inaugural season at the New House? <<<---I defy you to come up with a better run-on than that by the way.
I think that Wistrcill was hired more for his marketing acumen than for anything else, and is it not safe to assume that Proenza and the board are going to exert much more influence over the program than they ever have in the past? How does 6-6 or 7-5 do anything to move this program in the right directions? 6-6 or 7-5 are simply more of the same. Same crappy product, shiny new digs. It doesn't work. Who buys into that? You really think the status quo will hold sway here, this year? I don't see how it adds up. I will end this post with a GO ZIPS! CRUSH THAT LEFLAVOR OR LEFLAVIE FAVE OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS. STZ The whole "Elevate Walt Harris to Head Coach next week" thing is absurd. So our new AD...he's been here all of 3 weeks...is going to fire a coach who began the season 1-3, with games against 2 Big Ten teams and the #1 team in the MAC? No f-ing chance. Ok...say he does fire JD after a 1-3 start to the season. He goes up to Walt Harris and says: "Hey...I just fired your friend...the guy that gave you a chance to get back into football when no one else really would...now I need someone to replace him. I think you'd do a great job. Would you like to coach the Akron Zips?" I could see Harris' reaction being -- "You fired my friend after you've known him for three weeks?! And now you want me to replace him? What happens to me if I go 1-3 in my next four games? Are you insane? Do you think I don't have a soul? Look...I'm still pulling in $800,000 this year from Stanford. I don't need the money, and I CERTAINLY don't need the aggravation?! Keep it." Unless he quits, JD is here for the remainder of the year. The chances of him getting fired range somewhere between Blutarski's GPA and Jacquemain's chances of a mid-season nomination for Team Captain. The schedule gets ridiculously easier over the next several weeks. He has every opportunity to win 6 more games and keep his job. I think he has the talent on the field to do it. It is up to him to come up with the game plans and adjustments to do it. He needs to change his motto from "3 More Feet" to "Six More Wins." That's what he really needs. |
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Sep 25 2009, 04:02 PM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1784 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Green Member No.: 29 |
Ah, but Cap'n, are you completely confident that Proenza is going to give Wistrcill any of the leeway that you infer? STZ The whole "Elevate Walt Harris to Head Coach next week" thing is absurd. So our new AD...he's been here all of 3 weeks...is going to fire a coach who began the season 1-3, with games against 2 Big Ten teams and the #1 team in the MAC? No f-ing chance. Ok...say he does fire JD after a 1-3 start to the season. He goes up to Walt Harris and says: "Hey...I just fired your friend...the guy that gave you a chance to get back into football when no one else really would...now I need someone to replace him. I think you'd do a great job. Would you like to coach the Akron Zips?" I could see Harris' reaction being -- "You fired my friend after you've known him for three weeks?! And now you want me to replace him? What happens to me if I go 1-3 in my next four games? Are you insane? Do you think I don't have a soul? Look...I'm still pulling in $800,000 this year from Stanford. I don't need the money, and I CERTAINLY don't need the aggravation?! Keep it." Unless he quits, JD is here for the remainder of the year. The chances of him getting fired range somewhere between Blutarski's GPA and Jacquemain's chances of a mid-season nomination for Team Captain. The schedule gets ridiculously easier over the next several weeks. He has every opportunity to win 6 more games and keep his job. I think he has the talent on the field to do it. It is up to him to come up with the game plans and adjustments to do it. He needs to change his motto from "3 More Feet" to "Six More Wins." That's what he really needs. That would be the same Proenza that just gave the CFO of the university a year off with pay in order to deal with a drinking problem. |
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Sep 25 2009, 04:09 PM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 11-August 07 Member No.: 3014 |
Unless he quits, JD is here for the remainder of the year. The chances of him getting fired range somewhere between Blutarski's GPA and Jacquemain's chances of a mid-season nomination for Team Captain. The schedule gets ridiculously easier over the next several weeks. He has every opportunity to win 6 more games and keep his job. I think he has the talent on the field to do it. It is up to him to come up with the game plans and adjustments to do it. He needs to change his motto from "3 More Feet" to "Six More Wins." That's what he really needs. This is saying what I have been railing against the past couple of years. "Gee, guys, we lost the games we were supposed to lose, because one was a Big 10 team, and the other is a MAC frontrunner, but now are crappy league schedule is set up for us to beat the light weights and JD can keep his job with consistene mediocrity." Well some of us are tired of consistent mediocrity! And we were FAVORED to beat Indiana! So many people have accepted this crap for so long, but now we want more! We see good athletes coming in, good coaches coming in, the new stadium, which obviously doesn't help; butwe don't see any improvement on the field. If I don't see improvement or some changes, I'm going to have to think twice before I but another ticket! |
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Sep 25 2009, 07:48 PM
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Ice Road Trucker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2642 Joined: 23-February 04 From: LaGrange, Oh Member No.: 17 |
At this point, our Easy game is behind us. We've got a battle every week, unfortunately.
-------------------- Kangoraphobia - Fear of Kangaroos!
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Sep 25 2009, 10:15 PM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2889 Joined: 26-February 05 Member No.: 142 |
i think some are missing the point. The 1-3 record is only part of the problem. To some it seems the program is out of control.
-------------------- Half Buck, Half Zip, All Man.
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Sep 26 2009, 09:41 AM
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![]() UA Intramural Legend ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 7887 Joined: 23-February 04 From: McDonald Ohio Member No.: 3 |
i think some are missing the point. The 1-3 record is only part of the problem. To some it seems the program is out of control. As an Ohio State fan who has seen real "out of control" behavior, I hope you have laughed in the face of anyone inferring the Zips football program is "out of control." The Zips starting QB was kicked off the team. That's disappointing, but hardly unheard of in college athletics. Indiana's starting QB was kicked off the Hoosier squad this summer. It happens. Maybe it stands out because JD has had so few character issues during his tenure? The "recruiting violation" will prove to be irrelevant. Take this to the bank -- the infraction alleged against the program has Z-E-R-O chance of losing a single scholarship. It has a realistic chance of generating no penalty whatsoever. The mainstream media sickend me with their portrayal of the Zips program this past week. Most lumped the alleged infraction along with the QB story to make it appear a coach paid the QB cash. I know this because I heard it 4 times before 9am at work Thursday, and from several people at my bowling league Thursday night. I hope when this plays-out, if the program is found clean, that the media goes after that story with as much zeal as it did with their misleading headlines last week. *Note* - This will likely be the last time I comment on this situation until the investigation is completed. The Zips problem is stopping the run with the 3-3-5. And moving the chains on offense. The other stuff is all BS. As GP1's tag line says -- "...you want it to be one way, but it's the other." |
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Sep 26 2009, 10:12 AM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6718 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Parts Unknown, USA Member No.: 91 |
i think some are missing the point. The 1-3 record is only part of the problem. To some it seems the program is out of control. As an Ohio State fan who has seen real "out of control" behavior, I hope you have laughed in the face of anyone inferring the Zips football program is "out of control." The Zips starting QB was kicked off the team. That's disappointing, but hardly unheard of in college athletics. Indiana's starting QB was kicked off the Hoosier squad this summer. It happens. Maybe it stands out because JD has had so few character issues during his tenure? The "recruiting violation" will prove to be irrelevant. Take this to the bank -- the infraction alleged against the program has Z-E-R-O chance of losing a single scholarship. It has a realistic chance of generating no penalty whatsoever. The mainstream media sickend me with their portrayal of the Zips program this past week. Most lumped the alleged infraction along with the QB story to make it appear a coach paid the QB cash. I know this because I heard it 4 times before 9am at work Thursday, and from several people at my bowling league Thursday night. I hope when this plays-out, if the program is found clean, that the media goes after that story with as much zeal as it did with their misleading headlines last week. *Note* - This will likely be the last time I comment on this situation until the investigation is completed. The Zips problem is stopping the run with the 3-3-5. And moving the chains on offense. The other stuff is all BS. As GP1's tag line says -- "...you want it to be one way, but it's the other." CK is on fire today. "The program is out of control" is the cry of idiotic sports fans around the county because it gives a person a tag line for why they should fire someone. JD should be fired for one reason and one reason only....the team isn't winning with a great deal of good MAC talent. Like CK said, play physical and stop the run. Play physical and get yards on first down. Walt Harris is working at UofA because he bought a century home in Pittsburgh that is being gutted and fixed up. He needs somewhere to live and something to do for a year. Whether JD is here or not next year, Harris will not be. You don't fix up a century home in Pittsburgh to live in Akron. Harris could consult for the Steelers or something once he gets back to Pittsburgh. He is also older than he looks and may be able to retire. -------------------- "...you want it to be one way. But it's the other way." --Marlo Stanfield, The Wire
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Sep 26 2009, 11:41 AM
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Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 9-July 08 Member No.: 4991 |
Heard from a very reliable source what else Jaq did besides theft, not pretty but may explain the problem with stealing money.
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Sep 26 2009, 11:55 AM
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![]() Zips Junkie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 783 Joined: 3-April 05 Member No.: 162 |
i think some are missing the point. The 1-3 record is only part of the problem. To some it seems the program is out of control. As an Ohio State fan who has seen real "out of control" behavior, I hope you have laughed in the face of anyone inferring the Zips football program is "out of control." It is not like JD is doing idiotic things like Lane Kiffin. For "some" to say this team is "out of control" would be completely inaccurate. It starts with leadership at the top and I say a college football program is out of control when its leader is. See examples below: After spending $140 on drinks and tips at a strip club, you then have about $1,000 in food and drink charged to your bill by a woman named Destiny (who is not your wife) who is staying in your hotel room. Also having several students say they've seen you getting sloshed at bars near campus. Mike Price You built your career as a football coach on lies. George O'Leary Having your honor-roll student, a homecoming queen and an honorable mention all-county kicker, verbally abused and molested by teammates. Then justify it by saying she is an awful player. Also, use sex and alcohol to recruit football players. Gary Barnett Sending e-mails to your boosters, but only after they paid $1,200 to receive them. The e-mails, dubbed "The VIP Connection," contained news about players' injuries, their academic standing and your blunt assessments of their skills. Dennis Franchione You oversee a series of rule violations, including academic fraud and a scheme where players were paid up to four times the prevailing wage for jobs with a firm owned by mega wealthy and ultra-personable Marshall booster Marshall Reynolds. 1999 MAC Coach of the year Bob Pruett Because you are such an alcoholic, your attorneys fight (and lost) your DUI conviction on the grounds that a toxicology report showed traces of GHB (date rap drug) in your system (unfortunately for OU this ended all coverage of OU football for 2006). Frank Solich You oversee 107 violations at Florida bargained down to 59 and three years probation - Charley Pell You have to forfeit 31 scholarships at Miami (FL) and have a postseason ban - Dennis Erickson You receive the "Death Penalty" at SMU = the loss of 55 scholarships - Bobby Collins, Ron Meyer Lying about and then admitting an affair with your secretary (although he wasn't fired at Alabama until his team began to lose regularly)- Mike DuBose You have one of the most lucrative coaching contracts in the nation ($2 million) when you sign an under-the-radar $250,000 agreement with Rutgers’ marketing agent to pay you for “personal services” (Again, this didn't matter because he won). Greg Schiano There is only one cure, which I hinted at earlier. See Rich Rod... a couple of "big" wins and these "issues" don't matter as much. Win 400 games and it really doesn't matter what the heck you do to win, just ask Bobby Bowden. Football is big business. -------------------- Those who have invested the most are the last to surrender.
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