[johnnyzip84]

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Not to pile on, but here is Peter King's NFL QB rankings.

[UA Fan]

Worthless rankings. No consideration given to the team they play on, receivers, OL, running game, etc. Take it for what it's worth...nothing. SI is a joke for sponsoring this tripe.

As for how I arrived at my picks, other than with a divining rod, I used a few measuring sticks. I value wins from my quarterback, and that helped Manning and Brady, the leaders in victories over the last two years. I value postseason success, and their seven combined wins over the past two years is significant. Completion percentage and yards-per-attempt are the two passing stats I value the most because they tell you how often a quarterback succeeds in efficiently moving the chains through the air. Finally, intangibles. Brady led all passers with a 10 on a 10-point scale, because he's a coach, an offseason facilitator, a free-agent recruiter -- and he does it while retaining respect from the guys he often has to lean on hard.

[sgm405]

Worthless rankings. No consideration given to the team they play on, receivers, OL, running game, etc. Take it for what it's worth...nothing. SI is a joke for sponsoring this tripe.

As for how I arrived at my picks, other than with a divining rod, I used a few measuring sticks. I value wins from my quarterback, and that helped Manning and Brady, the leaders in victories over the last two years. I value postseason success, and their seven combined wins over the past two years is significant. Completion percentage and yards-per-attempt are the two passing stats I value the most because they tell you how often a quarterback succeeds in efficiently moving the chains through the air. Finally, intangibles. Brady led all passers with a 10 on a 10-point scale, because he's a coach, an offseason facilitator, a free-agent recruiter -- and he does it while retaining respect from the guys he often has to lean on hard.

What arguments do you have for him to be any higher?

[Hilltopper]

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Not to pile on, but here is Peter King's NFL QB rankings.

Troll

[sgm405]

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Not to pile on, but here is Peter King's NFL QB rankings.

Troll

Why is he a troll?

[Zipgrad1990]

I'm a big Charlie fan, but even I couldn't rank him much differently based on his play so far. I don't know how much higher you can rank him based on the bad team he had around him. The only way to know for sure would be to take the top ranked qb and play him on the Browns last season to see what it does to that qb's rating. Since this is impossible, Charlie may deserve being a couple of spots higher due to the state of his team last year. But I don't see moving him up more than 2-3 spots. Besides if you do this for all the qbs, maybe Charlie would end up back at number 31 anyway.

This is the year for Charlie to proof himself. Either he improves or his career as a starter is over. I think he can hang around as a backup somewhere, even here in Cleveland if he wants.

[UA Fan]

Worthless rankings.  No consideration given to the team they play on, receivers, OL, running game, etc.  Take it for what it's worth...nothing.  SI is a joke for sponsoring this tripe.

As for how I arrived at my picks, other than with a divining rod, I used a few measuring sticks. I value wins from my quarterback, and that helped Manning and Brady, the leaders in victories over the last two years. I value postseason success, and their seven combined wins over the past two years is significant. Completion percentage and yards-per-attempt are the two passing stats I value the most because they tell you how often a quarterback succeeds in efficiently moving the chains through the air. Finally, intangibles. Brady led all passers with a 10 on a 10-point scale, because he's a coach, an offseason facilitator, a free-agent recruiter -- and he does it while retaining respect from the guys he often has to lean on hard.

What arguments do you have for him to be any higher?

If Frye played for the Colts, he would have better passing stats, more wins, and get to the playoffs more often so by SI's criteria that means he'd be ranked at least near the middle of the pack. If Manning played for the Browns, he would have worse stats and fewer wins so that means he's a mediocre QB, right? These are team rankings more so than individual QB rankings.

[johnnyzip84]

Why is he a troll? 

Yeah, what HE said!

Actually, I only out this up to show that at least Peter King thinks Frye will be the starter anyway. I'm in the camp that believes that we don't really know how good of an NFL QB Charley can be or not just yet. I hope he takes advantage of the limited opportunity he get this year. Obviously it's key that he gets out of the blocks well. Maybe he'll play with a "nothing to lose" mentality, which I think would serve him well.

I disagree with the poster who maligned Charley's UA career by focusing on the team's record during his tenure. His teams moved the ball well, even against the better competition. The DEE almost always let them down.

[GP1]

I disagree with the poster who maligned Charley's UA career by focusing on the team's record during his tenure. His teams moved the ball well, even against the better competition. The DEE almost always let them down.

He did just enough to lose.

[Dr Z]

Consider the source...Peter King (blow hard know nothing).
Shouldn't he have made a list of the top 32 places to get a cup of coffee?
Or maybe the top 10 Springsteen songs?

[skip-zip]

GP1...I know you like to bash Charlie. But you're going to extremes when you say that he did "just enough for us to lose" when he was our quarterback.

I would have hated to see just how bad some of those seasons would have been if Charlie was not here. He was the best player on a team that had no defense, got blitzed repeatedly, and often played hurt.

As far as his pro career goes, we don't know what's going to happen. All we know at this point is how he compares to other NFL starters in their first 16 games as a starter. And with those numbers, and taking into consideration the team he play on, he compares quite favorably.

As for the future? Who know.

[Hilltopper]

I disagree with the poster who maligned Charley's UA career by focusing on the team's record during his tenure.  His teams moved the ball well, even against the better competition.  The DEE almost always let them down.

He did just enough to lose.

My point is how many threads do we need that take potshots at one of our former players? There was already a thread talking about how Frye is "washed up" on the board. All this new thread is doing is getting the Frye supporters riled up. If you were a potential recruit and looked at this site how would you feel about one of the Zips former players get raked over the coals on a regular basis?

GP1, I ask again, what has Frye done to you that you despise him so much?

[Big Zip]

It's simple he plays for the enemy as far as GP1 is concerned he plays for the Browns. That is what he did to GP1 -- he was drafted by the Browns.

GP1 is simply a Browns hater. I've mentioned it before, a person with absolute hatred for team has credibility problems when trying to discuss objectively. On the other hand those that root for that team have the same problem. My guess is the answer regarding Charlie's ability lies some where in the middle -- closer to the his career is in his own hands and we'll see what he's made of this year. This can be a make or break year for Charlie. It will go a long way to determining if he starts in this league or is a career back-up.

To your point though -- I think it would be helpful to discontinue the Charlie stories until after this year. We can then surmise about him. I don't think there is any reason to bash him in any regard. Especially to the extent GP1 does relative to his play at Akron. That I thought was something beyond question, but maybe his black and gold colored lenses have poisoned him retroactively.

[sgm405]

1) With Charlie's individual statistics, team success, lack of improvement in his time in the league, and general lack of top-flight raw abilty, how could anyone rank him higher? I have yet to hear an argument for Charlie being ranked higher, or for Charlie being considered a good quarterback. I hear that he has nothing around him, that the coaches are bad, that all QB's start out bad, etc etc etc. Doesn't he have to take some ownership for his play? And can anyone...ANYONE...present an argument that shows why Charlie should be ranked higher than the bottom of the barrel at this point and time?

2) Just because a person doesn't like Frye as an NFL QB doesn't mean they are "bashing" or "hating". Let's face it, he's done little to prove otherwise. And that's their opinion. I can't stand Brady Quinn, but I think he has the skills necessary to become a very good NFL QB. It's nothing personal against Charlie, I think we all wish him the best. But at the same point, when did ZN become a cheerleading site? Why is someone attacked for saying what most say outside of Akron - that Frye is mediocre at best...???




I thought ZN was made up of fans who liked and presented good, honest analysis.




Maybe I'm wrong...you know...I don't want to "disrespect" Zips fans again.

[Hilltopper]

Your beating a dead horse SGM405. We all know you think Frye can't play. Let it go, you'll feel better in the long run.