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Akron is a combined 17-0 at home and on neutral courts. Every loss came on the road where our opponent was able to feed off the energy provided by their fans.
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15 minutes ago, skip-zip said:
It was hard to ignore this. I really felt like Ken+ was able to guard the shooters on the perimeter better than any team we played this year.
It was also devastating to see Hall and Spicer combine for 39 points in the paint.
But Ken+ is going to see a different team tonight. That team that went to Ken+ a few weeks ago was still trying to figure out how to play with a shortage of post players. But I really think the key tonight is that the juiced-up crowd will be able to help our guys create more turnovers. And I think that's going to create an entirely different outcome.
The big thing that I noticed on how Kent guards us compared to other teams is that Kent is content letting Big Dog back his man down and get shots near the rim while most other teams have sent help defense to force Big Dog to pass which has led to open looks from 3.
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I feel 1 fewer regular season loss combined with a MAC championship loss would have made us the highest RPI team to get left out of the tourney. 2 fewer and I feel we could be an at-large team. I missed the NIU loss so I can't speak to that, but the game I wish we could have back was the Green Bay game. It was the 3rd and final game of a 6 day road trip. We didn't look 100% there and still almost came away with the win.
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Akron's RPI is currently 40. I wouldn't be surprised if winning out makes it so that we are ~30.
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2 hours ago, Sportsjunkie330 said:
I'd be shocked if this team is any higher than a 13 seed if they make it.
You have to remember there are 32 auto bids awarded. In order for Akron to get a 12 seed they have to be regarded as being better than 18 of those auto bid teams. 10 of those are 15 and 16 seed teams that have no chance of catching Akron even if Akron lost to Kent. From there you have the OVC and Southland conference whose best teams are already decently behind Akron and play in conferences much weaker than the MAC so Akron should only further distance itself. Eliminating the 9 projected multi bid conferences plus the ones I mentioned already that leaves the below.
America East - Best team RPI 66 with 212 SOS. SOS will continue to drop as the strongest opponent that they can face in conference tourney is 145. Next opponent RPI 296.
Big West - Best team RPI 91 with a 280 SOS. Plays in weaker conference than MAC so Akron would separate themselves.
CAA - Comparable conference to the MAC. It's 50/50 if Akron would be higher than top team
Horizon - Valpo would be higher than MAC, however if upset Akron would top their auto-bid team
Ivy - Best team has comparable resume to Akron, but no conference tournament gives them no chance of boosting it
MAAC - Monmouth would be ahead of Akron, but if they get upset Akron would top their auto bid
MVC - Wichita State easily tops Akron, Evansville or any other MVC team that potentially upsets Wichita State not so much
Mountain West - Sand Diego State is ahead of Akron, but if they get knocked out Akron would top whoever upsets them
Southern - Akron should be able to distance itself from Chattanooga whose conference tournament features a bunch of cupcakes
Sunbelt - Ark-Little Rock would likely stay above Akron by winning its poor conference. If upset that team would be well behind Akron.
Moral of the story is we need to cheer for 2nd and 3rd place teams to win auto bids of 1 bid conference. In cases like Wichita State they would make the tournament anyways, but that doesn't hinder us b/c we aren't vying for an at-large bid.
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I think winning out makes us a 12 seed, however, if teams like Monmouth and Valparaiso get knocked out early, I can see us perhaps snagging an 11th.
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11 minutes ago, GJGood said:
I get what you are saying but is there really that much to be learned from two top 15 teams meeting for the third time in a season that wasn't already known from their first two meetings? Can it change seeding? Sure. Ultimately, though, seeding is the committee's responsibility and they have to make judgments all the time comparing teams from different conferences. If they can seed teams relative to each other that never played each other why do they need a third meeting between teams that already met twice to do the same thing?
To me a much, much bigger deal is who gets in than where they are seeded. Yes seedings determine the matchups but the games are really more about how styles match up than it is about overall body of work which the seedings are based on. For example, I still state that out of Akron's 4 NCAA appearances the best matchup they had was the one with Notre Dame. That also happened to be a 2 vs. 15 game according to seedings. Akron was far more overmatched when they played Gonzaga and VCU even though the seeding wouldn't have agreed with that.
A 16 has never beaten a 1 seed. We have seen 3 15 seeds beat a 2 seed in just the last 4 years. Perhaps had Duke positioned themselves as a 1 seed, they wouldn't have been humiliated and positioned themselves for a deep tourney run. I feel conference tournaments do a good job of rewarding teams that are playing their best at the end of the season. Perhaps some team was great until their star got injured with 2 games left in the season. That team is no longer as good as what their resume at the end of the regular season suggests. The conference tournament helps correct it some so they more accurately get seeded.
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34 minutes ago, GJGood said:
I'd certainly want to watch a mid-major or one-bid league conference tourney than one for a conference where a multitude of teams are getting in regardless. It just means more. North Carolina and Duke can meet in the ACC final and it can be a greatly contested game but in the end the loser is still going to the NCAA with a chance to make a deep run. To me that just makes the championship game not mean as much.
I'll only watch P5 conference tourney games if one or both of the teams need to win to get to the NCAA because those are the games that can have a ripple effect all across the country on who gets in and who doesn't.
I would by no means say P5 tournaments are as meaningless as you lead on. They do a great deal towards impacting seeding, which can be more impactful than deciding between 2 teams to determine which 1 is going to be a 12 seed play-in team and which ones going to the NIT. Nobody wants the best 2 teams to meet in the elite then have to settle for some dull final as an undeserving team made it because they had an easy bracket.
Edit: History shows that no 16 has beaten a 1. We have seen a 15 can beat a 2 (Happened 3x in past 4 years). Winning a P5 conference tournament might be the difference b/w a near guaranteed 1st round win or a humiliating 1st round exit.
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49 minutes ago, ZachTheZip said:
Hmm isn't the annual debt repayment on the stadium ~4 million? Convenient that's exactly how much they tried to charge in additional fees.
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2 minutes ago, akzipper said:
So basically just running the Golden State offense, just without guys that shoot 90% from 3.
This team is so bipolar it's tough to get excited about the MAC tournament. I feel like on some nights they can beat anyone in the country, but on other nights they can lose to a local rec league team.
GS uses their defense to help set up their offense. Notice how they push it when they get rebounds or force turnovers. They are 5th in defensive efficiency. I'd say the Zips are more comparable to the Rockets. They shoot and make a lot of 3s, but give up a lot of easy buckets on the other end.
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32 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:
I think the next Dr. Z poll (K.e.n.t. game) should be:
"Which percentage will be higher?"
A.) The Zips 3-point percentage
B.) The Zips free throw percentage
C.) The Zips offensive conversion percentage within 2 feet of the hoop
On a related note is there a rule that stipulates that you can't shoot your free throws from 3? If not, perhaps Reggie should step back a few feet and see if that works better for him.
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6 minutes ago, GJGood said:
Am I the only one that thinks regular season conference championships where teams play every other team in their league should mean more than a conference tournament title where teams play three to five games?
I know there may be no better way to determine who goes to the NCAA tournament than the way it is now but it just seems counterintuitive.
If we were going to award the regular season champ the trophy, I'd want a balanced 22 conference schedule where you play each team twice or a 16 game conference schedule where you play each team in your division twice and other division once. Under the 16 game format the East division champ would face the West division champ to see who the auto-bid goes to.
I agree the team that wins the regular season is more deserving than a team that got hot for 2-3 games. That being said they aren't going to due away with the current system. The conference tournament generates $$$. You take the auto-bid off the table then both attendance and tv ratings fall.
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32 minutes ago, skip-zip said:
Signature Wins? As in....Plural?
OSWho is 1-6 against the RPI Top 25.
OSU has 3 wins that are better than any Akron win
11 - Kentucky
28- Iowa
58- Michigan
They are on the outside looking in still. They probably need 3 more wins between the regular season and B1G tourney to get an at-large. If they managed to do that, I'm inclined to believe 2 of those wins would be against teams with a higher RPI than OU (80). That means OSU would have 5 wins that would be better than the best Akron win. Odds are OSU doesn't win 3 more B1G games and they find themselves in the NIT.
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19 minutes ago, Captain Kangaroo said:
Gotta go with Dambrot. Everyone tells me how much the MAC has improved this season, and the Zips are the class of the league.
Make up a "Most Improved Program" award for Whitford, but give Dambrot "Coach of the Year."
I have to agree. Dambrot is now in his 12th season at Akron and has 1 COY honor. There was some debate yesterday about which MAC program has had the best 10 year run, but when you look at a pure regular season resume, which is what these awards are based off of, Akron has been the clear #1 program. No debate about it. He likely won't win because he is a victim of his own success. Hell it took him a 19 game win streak to secure his sole COY award.
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1 minute ago, skip-zip said:
True. It's not perfection, but it's the best we have available to take all factors into consideration and rank teams.
Kenpom is considered to be more accurate.
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RPI is just a metric, an imperfect one at that, the selection committee looks at. It by no means is the only deciding factor. If it was the sole determining factor, then no committee would be needed as the teams would seed themselves.
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An at-large isn't going to happen. We have 0 rpi top 50 wins and 3 rpi sub 150 losses. We could still perhaps secure a 12 seed by winning out.
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Bleachers are filling up nicely with a steady flow of people still coming in. Reserved seating looks sparse. Not sure how many of those are seats where STH show up right at tipoff.
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1 hour ago, MDZip said:
Would you trade those three wins per season foit three NCAA tournament wins over ten years? I think I would.
I can see the argument from either side to be honest and wouldn't despute If you give that tourney season that much weight. I just felt the 119 vs 92 win total was a relevant stat to use when comparing.
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18 minutes ago, MDZip said:
Yeah usual stuff from message boards (always a few on both sides - I find the ones that feel like OU is equivalent of an Ivy league education a little pompous - and I even have a building with my last name on it at OU - named after a great uncle who was president of OU in the 40's - but I digress). Someone on their board showed some stats and said they bet we'd trade out last ten years results for theirs. You know what I'm kind of thinking I would. Here is what they presented over the last 10 years - same number of tourney titles but a lot more NCAA success. Would love just once to experience that same thing.
MAC TOURNEY TITLES
Akron - 3
Ohio - 3
Kent State - 2
Buffalo, Miami WMU - 1
MAC REGULAR SEASON EAST DIVISION TITLES
Kent - 4 (2 outright, 2 co-champs)
Akron - 4 (1 outright, 3 co-champs)
Buffalo - 3 (3 co-champs)
Miami - 1 (1 outright)
Ohio - 1 (1 co-champs)
BGSU - 1 (1 co-champs)
NCAA Tourney record
Ohio 3-2 (+1.0 avg pt diff)
Akron 0-3 (-24.0 pts)
Kent St 0-2 (-14.0)
Miami 0-1 (-2.0)
Buffalo 0-1 (-6.0)
WMU 0-1 (-24.0)
I feel what should be taken into account is the fact Akron stayed more relevant in the years they didn't actually win the MAC tournament or regular season. In the last 10 years (not including this season) Akron has won 119 MAC games, OU 92. That's 2.7 wins more per season.
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31 minutes ago, GJGood said:
OK, but if Illinois is truly at our level then we should try to get a 1-for-1 deal with them like we did with Pitt. You could have Illinois at home with the increased attendance and still have your P5 pay game as well. Maybe we tried. I just don't think the Illini would agree to this.
Perhaps Bowden wants a payday game that Akron actually has a glimmer of hope of winning or at least be able to compete with instead of just accepting a paycheck to lose by 30+.
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I'd say this is a good move by the university. Should go a long ways towards keeping the casual fan somewhat engaged in what's happening.
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45 minutes ago, lance99 said:
Didn't Toledo do that when they played them?
Even if we could get that, they would more than likely demand 70% of the Gate also....
@MDZip was gracious enough to post the details behind that Toledo game. Apparently all OSU asked of Toledo was for a home and home where Toledo agreed to play w/ no guarantee in Columbus and OSU got 12,500 tickets for Browns Stadium. That's actually a lot less than what I 1st suggested. The Plain Dealer estimated the game would net Toledo $4-5 million before stadium rental costs. Akron is obviously much closer to Cleveland than Toledo so I could actually see Akron having an easier time selling tickets and have an easier job of getting people and businesses to opt in for season tickets.
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If we would explore the option of doing multiple games on the road for 1 home game, I would inquire about seeing if OSU would do a 3 for 1. The return game would be at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Fans could get the option of paying $70 for an upper bowl seat or pay $100 for GA season tickets that includes an upper bowl seat. You give the Zips preferred STH their rightful seats in the lower bowl, but milk the OSU fans that only intend to go to 1 Zips game.
MAC Games 2015-2016
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It certainly doesn't hurt. In the bracketology that I've looked at they are still seeded ahead of us, but the Zips will have a far better SOS the rest of the way no matter who the Zips meet up with in the MAC tourney. Perhaps the gap between the 2 resumes have narrowed enough that the Zips could be in a position to leap them.