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lol, I'm not obese. This isn't like the airline policy where there may be some justification to charging 400+ people extra. I lift weights and its my arms and shoulders that invade the space of my neighbors. I don't mind crowds but you have to be reasonable about allowing people an inch of wiggle room.

the one thing that's nice about bleacher (or bench) seating is that you aren't confined to an exact spot, so if the numbers are far enough apart of someone in your row is not there, you get more elbow room.As a decent sized guy, I can't stand being tucked in like a sardine next to people. The 'Q' is really bad for that, even in box seats. If I sit next to another adult, either I take the arm rests and sitback, or the person next to me has to (absolutely no room for both to sitback). That crap is ridiculous. Every time I'm in a place like that I always ask myself why I can't just pour my own beer (for less than a dollar BTW) on the comfort of my own couch and watch the game.

Can of worms.If you are pro-gun control, these campus incidents are you WORST argument.Most campuses are gun free zones, and not only does this policy not stop people from going on shooting sprees, many people contend that gun free zones encourage it because there is no one else on campus concealing any personal protection to defend themselves with.

If I didn't have a strong aversion to credit cards, I'd prolly go and get one of those

crazy crazy world...it's hard enough trying to remind yourself that when you are driving down the highway you are engaging in one of the most dangerous activities to take human lives each year, but you still feel safe if your rolling coffin.... but when you are on campus at school, you should never have to keep it in the back of their mind that your number be up in this way. It's just not the way it should be.

yeah, go blaze it up and look at some porn...You're a solid piece of life :rolleyes:The Odd Corner is not the kind of business that we should want around the University or in it's vicinity... I don't know why anyone would feel sorry for a guy who makes a profit off of ruining people's minds and lives.lol, I suspect Bleacher Bum's post was half in jest, but you gotta love people beating their drums of morality.What's next, no booze?No dancing? LOL, get ye back devils!!!

It's interesting, but sometimes I get the idea that the people who plan 'revitalization' stuff only want to include themselves, their associates, and those who want to buy their way in as insiders.In other words, existing business owners should get pushed out, despite their years of serving the market, even if they would be willing to cooperate with planning of how things should be shaped and developed, and current residents are just obstructions despite their years of paying taxes and living where others might not choose to.

I heard about that on the radio.freakin' genius I'm sure it's in the best interest of the people you represent to put their sewer service in the hands of private interests.I mean, I'm not a big-government lover, but for-profit businesses don't always have the consumers best interests at heart either.

I really didn't feel like playing the argumentative jerky again, lol, but I just feel like people who are forced to pick up and move are not the bad-guys just because they didn't want to be forced to pick up and move.

:rolleyes:Yeah, the guy has been there for decades, but he really didn't want to stay there... he was just staying there to be greedy!:lol:Why do some people have to vilify everyone that they don't agree with?Cripes!I want the fukkin stadium too. I'm just so sick of everyone's freaking righteousness

LOL< nice back handed insult.Before I get to that, let me just say that when I was house hunting, I DID look around the neighborhoods, but I DID NOT look into factors related to eminent domain. You are tisking your finger at me like I am an idiot for not making potential government seizure as one of the many priorities I should have had when shopping around for homes. Senseless.Now, I dunno why you want to bow out of an otherwise decent debate after your implied insult. I should be the one who is offended.About my implied loserness.... let me add fuel to your fire. I started a business in 2004. In 2005, I was already turning a nice profit. Impressive, I suppose, since everything I read told me (I can't remember exactly, but the best I can remember) 80% of businesses operate at a loss in the first 5 years of operating, and more than 50% of them fold before two years. Anyway, after grossing MORE THAN twice as much as I had when I was a peon employee working for someone else, but having to pay taxes that basically negated all the success I had so stressfully worked for, I suddenly realized that I came out ahead when I was a bitch for 'the man'. So, yes, I am on the path of the multitudes again. Just another employee. I gave up my business. Life is easier when you don't have to deal with the IRS, and columbus, and regulation and laws out the ass, and liability coverage, and self insurance. Now I suckle at the teet of mother government like nearly everyone else I know. Mommy protect me. I want to be safe and ignorant. I don't wanna take any risks. And now, as per your advice, I will extend that to my ownership habits. I would probably be smart to go back and be renter... but if I do own property, as you advise, I will be sure to own a crap-ass shanty on land no one will ever want.

That's just it. It isn't about what you would do. What you or I would do in that situation doesn't matter. We have no choice. Pack your bags. You're gone.Actually you do have a choice. Keep your neighborhood and property up. Make wise property decisions. Buy a house in an established neighborhood, not one on the border of a business district or university.So, what you are saying is, put your business in a location that no one will want, thereby assuring that your business will probably fail.What you are saying is, with all the other things you have to consider when buying a house, you also need to try to predict where they will put HighwaysStreetsShopping PlazasMallsCity HallPolice and Fire StationsParksWater&Sewer district and public utilities and need for community easementsPotentially reclaimed wetlandsHost zones for endangered speciesAnd any generally desirable areas for future housing and public developmentWell, that pretty much narrows it down to shit.This whole thing reminds me of the taxation debate.Society punishes you for success. You are punished for making good choices, and you are punished for taking risks.It pays to be a loser.It pays to play it safe, and not stick your neck out for yourself or your family.It pays to to not try

That's just it. It isn't about what you would do. What you or I would do in that situation doesn't matter. We have no choice. Pack your bags. You're gone.

May karma bring you your dream home, on a very very nice private and scenic piece of land, after a life of hard work, and personal dedication to find it and work on it and to get it just the way you love it, and a few days after you have retired there, you will open a letter from the local government informing you that you need to accept the price offered to you for it because a new shopping mall will be moving in because the old one at the old location just isn't good enough to serve the 'greater good' of your community.Afterall, your life and your dreams and your property rights all must bow the the multitudes of people who want their starbucks and coldstone creamery.Like comparing apples and oranges in this case. These propeties are a bunch of run down shit holes. The buisnesses would be wise to reinvest nearby because lots of people will be checking out the new stadium in the next few years. The thing is that these people aren't going to be interested in some beer soaked shithole, they will flock to new and clean though. Manny should build a new place across the street.Apples and Oranges to you... it's still fruit no matter how you slice it. The fruit being the fact that someone else's subjective judgement decides whether you get to keep what you own.

May karma bring you your dream home, on a very very nice private and scenic piece of land, after a life of hard work, and personal dedication to find it and work on it and to get it just the way you love it, and a few days after you have retired there, you will open a letter from the local government informing you that you need to accept the price offered to you for it because a new shopping mall will be moving in because the old one at the old location just isn't good enough to serve the 'greater good' of your community.Afterall, your life and your dreams and your property rights all must bow the the multitudes of people who want their starbucks and coldstone creamery.

You take things as insults if you have a negative attitude.If you have a positive approach, you learn.Listen, I dunno what the philosophy is, but if I was coach, I would NOT pull guys for lack of individual execution (missing a shot, for example)... but I would pull them for not running their part of a play properly or the way it was practiced, or performing their role in a play, for not having their head fully in the game, or for stupid mistakes that you know they are better than. If I am a player, my mind may be saying "coach is boss" but my heart doesn't trust it until I get put on the bench a few times for not being a part of the program.

I disagree that the stadium would not get built there if it weren't for eminent domain.It would.It would just cost more.But that's the price of doing business.If you combine a (semi) free market economy with individual property rights, then what you get is buyers being forced to pay what the owner asks, or the buyer not buying at all, because THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE!If you want the property bad enough, make an offer that the owner can't refuse.Right, so we are still debating the legality. But I wasn't debating legality. I know about "just compensation".As I said in my post, I'm not contending that we stop eminent domain and stop stadium project. I'm just asking for us to NOT deny what we are doing. We are seizing people's land so we can watch football games closer to campus. We aren't seizing land to put in a highway bridge. We aren't seizing land to cure cancer. We aren't seizing land to build a school or police station. If there was no such thing as eminent domain, you would still acquire property.All you have to do is form a legal trust to perform the offers, purchases, and transfers. You don't announce "Sir, we are from megalopolis university and we want to build a stadium".You make a discrete offer to buy their land. If they don't want to sell (because of sentimental reason, or because they like it there, or because they make a profit there, or because it's been in the family for years, or because they want to will it to their children, or because they met their spouse there and got married, whatever), you double your offer.IF they refuse, then you triple it, or quadruple it.If they refuse, then you build around the fuxxorz, or atleast, don't put a dorm in that spot.If they realize you can do the project without them, maybe they'll change their mind. Or maybe, you can work out a partnership.But with eminent domain, you tell people what their property is worth and your force them to sell, no matter how much their property was worth to them, and now matter whether they wanted to leave or not.I'm sorry. I'm just talking about right vs wrong.In my opinion, we shouldn't have the right to seize land for our whims.But since we do, let's go for it. I'll go to the new stadium, and I wont be crying for the old land owners, I will probably enjoy what the university build... perhaps even marvel at it, if it's built well enough.I'm just saying, let's acknowledge the truth. The truth is, those people bought that property back when no one else really cared to have it, and they provided a service to the community along with provided for themselves, and now that it's to our advantage to take it away from them, that's what we will do.

Eminent domain is more about protecting the tax payer and preventing the extortion of the government. It get's leaked that an area is going to offered a buyout. Then there is one person that decides "Ha, I'm the deciding factor in all of this. So I want one $1 billion dollars for my property or I won't sell" Do you really think that is about their love for the property? No it's about extorting the government. The same way the US government get's charged 200 dollars for a hammer. Private extortion of a government need.The fact of the matter is that the University went to all of these people, asked to buy the property for slightly above the bank appraised value. Or bought them when available on the open market. Now they own the majority of the land through fair purchasing. Except there are a bunch of greedy property owners that are more worried about making a dollar, then the public interest. They were offered very good money, and when the court determines how much they get, they are going to very sad at the fact that they will get 20% above the state appraised value. They only have themselves to blame.Like I said, eminent domain can be abused. But these people have been give years worth of opportunity to sell through private closed door offerings. And they didn't, because the money offered wasn't enough. All of these hold outs are people who are trying to cash in at the expense of everyone else in this state.and you missed the whole point of my post.Everything you wrote presumes that you (or me, or govt) gets to decide what should be done with someone's property, not the owner who actually, you know OWNs the property. Oh, I'm sorry, I guess we are all just renting from the govt. Oh, thank you uncle sam for letting me squat here with my pretend deed for a while.The university was buying up land all over there WAY before anyone was talking about stadium.I remember having a thread on this site with rumors of a stadium only 2 years ago where we were speculating about it's location. UofA was aquiring land before that.Guess what?Some people didn't actually want to sell.Your whole post basically says "Fukk them. It's our land because we want it. Who cares if they bought it back when most people didn't want to buy land there. We have a better idea thus we can seize it." but really masked in jargon that rationalizes and justifies taking land away from people for the greater good of the community or the people. As I said, it's all about shitting on individual rights. If the people didn't want to sell back before they knew about the stadium, it's because they didn't want to sell. You didn't consider that, because you don't want to feel guilty for the land grab.As I said before, and I will repeat again, I WANT our football stadium there. I just want to be clear about one fact... because I wont bullshit myself like many people will.... we don't have a right to force people to sell their land just because we want to enjoy watching an oblong leather ball get tossed around in one location rather than another one. But we are doing it anyway, so let's acknowledge our faults. We are selfish, and we use government to take people's land away for our own whims.I'm not saying stop the eminent domain proceedings. They are legal (they shouldn't be, but they are) and they get used elsewhere, we might as well do it to. I'm not saying we should stop, I am just saying we should admit what we are doing for what it is.

that is a great analysis. I'm serious. I don't know if I have read it here before, but it makes perfect sense.And the MAC will never step out of the shadow of the BCS big brother conference in the region, but as was brought up before on here in the past, Akron has one outside chance as an individual entity not sharing a specific market, and that is that our BCS team has to cast it's shadow from half a state away. Its an outside shot, but the lightening in a bottle is a culmination of however unlikely events which includes them having down years and us beating the odds.

I'd say so. It's almost like getting done with college and moving back in with the 'rents for a year while you work that nice new office job with a decent paycheck.Seriously though, put the right foot forward first. If we aren't filling seats at the JAR, why do you drop good money over bad on a new stadium like "Northern Potuky"? Isn't that like sucker's wishful thinking? What conman sales-geek pushed that bill of goods? "You'll always be a small time program if you always dress the part. Build it and they will come. Fans first, then the recruits."Pipe dreams are not a basis for development strategy.

BULL!!!!Eminent Dmain is an evil way for the government to seize property.HELLO! MCFLY!!!!Some people don't want to sell. Some people don't want to move.Some people, when approached by private/public business interests that want to expand simply say "no, I don't want to sell my home (or my shop) because this property (or business) has been in my family for generations" or "It has sentimental value that you can't put a price tag on"So, what happens? The 'evil' (your word, not mine) interests turn to the government and say "Look, this person is standing in the way of tax revenue and facilities that will benefit the community"and the 'evil' (your word, not mine) government says "Woe! We can't have evil members of our community standing in the way of tax dollars *greedy smile*......... er....... I mean..... standing in the way of other community members...... er...... yeah..... you know what I mean, dammit"Look, I want the football stadium.And I agree, when some people find out that a university wants their land, they immediately think, "CHING!"However, don't bullshit around. Eminent domain is all about mob rule.It's about shitting on individual rights for the sake of the majority, at best.But usually, it's about shitting on individual rights for the sake of powerful interests (like a university, for example)

I love nature, but unlike the treehuggers, I recognize that trees are a renewable resource. In other words, you can replace them.Once a tree gets large enough, it becomes extremely difficult to move it without destroying its established root system. It's sad when you lose a nice tree, but you can start over.

No one here claims to be unbaised. Seriously though, I stand by what I said. There's no reason to get a DUI when you are student on campus.:CK_brew:There's no excuse for it anyway, and in this day an age, you can't claim ignorance with the way drinking n driving gets pounding into everyone's heads.... but when you are a student, if you can't even be arsed to walk or get a cab to the local joints, you are really pissing in the wind.

Done. Or at least I will in the future. I live across Spicer from the construction site, so my vantage point is pretty fun. If you can try to get it from the same spot and same angle every time, I can put them together into a progress slideshow or time-lapse in flàsh