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I realize the original USFL said similar things early on, but if you take the new USFL leaders at their word they do not intend to compete with the NFL. They plan to be a minor league “feeder” system,
I don't see how a minor league feeder system will work. I want spring football and I will watch it when it is on (Hell, I watch the CFL), but I don't see how this particular idea will work. NFL careers are extremely short and the best exposure against the best competition a player can get between the ages of 18 and 23 is in college. I actually believe it would not be good for a 19 year old to try to play against a 25 year old with four years of BCS football and two years of "professional" under his belt. The shelf life of most players is pretty short....Especially at the margins. A minor league football system would supply players down the roster. College football mostly at the BCS level would still supply the stars of the NFL.
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Now I'm glad they both fell through. Minor league football, or alternate league football just doesn't work.
Only one of these leagues was a serious league.
The XFL was more like the WWE. Football in Europe just isn't going to make it ever. See history of AFL for the USFL...it will work. It has to be run by serious people.
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It did?
The AFL had the same problems early and became so popular they were able to join with the NFL. Had the USFL not derailed itself with trying to compete against the NFL, it would have done well. The demand for football in the US is too great not to have a spring/summer league on a 100 yard field with sane rules.
Don't be so closed minded...
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Indeed. Ever try it?
I have not. Normally, I drink to get drunk and I can't drink 15-20 of those style beers. I get too full after a small number.
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Some of you might find this interesting.
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EDSBS posted this about conference realignment.
Realignment continues to be an exhausting and inefficient way to give us what we really want - a schedule where Georgia Tech plays 11 games against a parliament of owls and goes 7-4. It does, however, serve as an excellent game for road trips! Pass this back to the kids and enjoy the laughter as they put Auburn into the ACC!
After months of speculation and rumor, (any team except Notre Dame) announced that it is leaving (conference) for (new conference, or possibly the same conference) starting with the 20(SPF level Bob Davie should use but won't minus number of years Lane Kiffin will get on his contract to coach the Redskins) season. Athletic Director (John) (kitchen tool) said that the move would "provide us with the highest level of competition from long-established programs like (Holiday Bowl loser), (perennial 8-5 team), and (basketball school)." (Transferring school) will move into the (synonym for wizard) Division for football, where they are projected to finish (any ordinal number).
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I'm not inferring it would be our new conference's choice. I hypothesize it would be UA's choice remain MAC in football, but upgrade its programs that could be competitive in a better conference.
All kidding aside. That league would have to be the A-10 and ONLY the A-10. With the addition of VCU and Butler to the league, it presents a strong challenge and we have the horses to compete. I wouldn't do it for any other league.
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Hypothetically - what if we could go into a bigger conference in all sports except football. Keep football in the MAC.
Would you do it?
Do you mean like the Ivy League or something even better?
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Interesting. But on a more frivilous point, how will the USFL commissioner address the fact that the pool of good sports team names has already dried up?
Sincerely,
The Kansas City Wiz
Simple.... You address it with a furry mascot with a name not even remotely related to the team.
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As suggested, here is a place to discuss the possibilities of a spring league in Akron, whether it be of the college variety proposed by GP1 or a reformed USFL (of which there is a follow-up story in today's Beacon Journal.
1:30 commissioner of this league will be on the radio. Listen over the internet.
This guy is looking at cities like Omaha, Akron, etc. I think that could be a mistake. TV networks want viewer and one can't leave out Boston, NY, LA, etc. if the league is going to make it financially. The original USFL had teams in major media markets and was doing just fine. No reason to go away from that design.
Funny, they don't seem to think playing in the summer/spring will hurt the players chances of getting with an NFL team...I agree. It wouldn't hurt a college kids chances either.
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Or do you think the program is better off with a realistic chance at a MAC title every year?
For the next five years, our entire athletic department is better off in the MAC.
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We'll agree to disagree. If we accepted an invite right this second, we'd have 1-2 more years in the MAC for football. That obviously isn't going to happen so we're looking at a couple years in the MAC still. Add a year of recruiting while it's official that we're moving to the BE, plus a couple years of "building" with Bowden, and we'll be okay. All hypothetical of course, but I don't see a reason to wait 5 years.
If we accepted the bid with the idea we would have 1-2 more years in the MAC, we wouldn't draw enough players in the next two years to compete early in the BE. No BE player wants to come to the MAC and play against the MAC for half of his career. I'm not willing to risk an immediate jump for a hypothetical that may not pan out and in 20 years we are still in the building process. I've had enough of that.
If the odds of Akron moving to another conference in the next decade are 1,000,000 : 1...... I'd like to put $50 on Akron.
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Suicide? How's the MAC been working? You think after 5 years we'll have a good enough football team to compete in the Big East? We'd still get mauled until we got some BE level recruits. I don't see why we need to wait for the "shake up" to happen. We've been waiting long enough. If we have a chance, go for it.
We want the same thing. You want it today, I want it when we are ready.
Will we have a team to compete in the BE in five years? Not if we run into their league and go at best one year of 3-8 the first 3 years. We don't have nearly the talent to compete with all of their teams right now. It would be even more losing. We need to get winning in the MAC and then turn that momentum into something else. More losing does zero for the program and gets coaches fired...coaches getting fired extends the never ending "building process". No thanks.
Some on this board have been obsessed with the BE since I started reading this board years ago. I have a feeling the BE for some would be like the good looking girl in college everyone wanted to have sex with only to find out the girl was bad in the sack once you got her there. If the BE is such a great league, why is everyone leaving?
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If the Big East invited us right now, you wouldn't take it? I could see passing up on CUSA, but I think it'd be partially insane to not make that jump if we had the chance.
I wouldn't make the jump to either right now. Suicide doesn't interest me. If we are good enough for the BE right now (which we aren't and the move would destroy our basketball program), in five years when Bowden has the program turned around and we are comfortable with the shake-ups in college football being over, we would be able to make a better decision. I don't think we know enough about what the BE will look like in five years to make an informed decsion. I don't see how joining a conference on the decline is the solution.
Quick decisions and panic result in the current form of the Cleveland Browns. I'm not interested in being The University of Akron Browns.
I actually think gozips19 is right on the money with not making any moves on our own. Something bold needs to be done and a couple of conferences acting together is the type of bold move I would like to see. Until then, Captain Smith needs more help on the deck.
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C'mon GP1, you know damn well we'd recruit better in the Big East. You think UConn made the jump to D-1A football and said "oh well we only have 1-AA players?" Was Cincy remotely competitive before they joined the BE? USF? They didn't even have a program before they went. If it were up to you, they wouldn't have made the jump from no program to the BE (and #2 in the country a couple times) because the talent on hand wasn't good enough to begin with.
Would we recruit better? Yes. Would we recruit well enough? I don't know that and neither do you.
Cincinnati is a good example right up until they got absolutely run off the field against Florida in the Sugar Bowl. However, it just so happens they were able to hire an excellent coach and benefit from Va Tech, BC and Miami leaving a few years earlier. Cincy will further benefit from WVU leaving the league and the illusion of them being a national program will continue.
UCONN has the attention of an entire state. UofA has the attention of an entire county.
What makes you think UCONN and Cincy will be in the BE in five years? L'Ville? Rutgers? We are decades behind these programs. All of them probably have better and bigger stadiums than we do. Do you want to add to the stadium we already aren't filling a section of? Good luck getting the money. Maybe you can take another 20 year building process, but I've seen enough. We need to start winning where we are now. Once we start winning (we will win under Bowden) and the future of college football becomes more clear, then we should talk moving.
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By the way, I was way too old to be running on the field that night......but I did it anyway !!!!
I don't know if I was too old, but I was too drunk. I fell down when I jumped over the wall.
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Maybe a new commissioner can pull the Big East back together, or maybe it's too late. I would certainly not want UA to rush into signing up for a cruise on a listing ship.
10 football members:
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
UCF
USF
SMU
Houston
3 football-only members:
Boise St.
SDSU
Navy
8 non-football members:
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
Notre Dame
DePaul
Marquette
I love the listing ship remark.
Above is a nice league if UCONN, Rutgers, L'vill and Cincy stay in the league. If they do, it will be years before we could compete for a football championship in this league. That's the pickle we would be in. The BE is not worth being in of these four schools leave...It also could hurt our other sports if they stay.
It would be the end of our success as a basketball program if UCONN, Rutgers, Lvill and Cincy stay in the BE. We can't beat the 7th place Big Ten team in the first round of the NIT with the most talented team in recent memory, we wouldn't compete well in the BE at all.
Sometimes, the best move is to do nothing. Right now, the nonbcs conferences are either cannibalizing each other, or they are bringing in teams that simply don't belong in D-1A. None of them are getting better in a meaningful way. Everyone at our level needs to stop fighting each other in an attempt to become king of the midgets and figure out a way for everyone to work together to stabilize nonbcs football.
I'm going to channel the Dave in Green within me now....We only get one shot at this because of the cost of exiting conferences. We shouldn't rush into anything and should be very careful where we go and have a full understanding of what we are going to will look like in 5 years. Doing nothing and trying to dominate the MAC over the next five years could be our best option.
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I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but can anyone describe to me what the Big East will look like in five years? The way I see it, the only attractions to the BE at this point are the remaining schools of Rutgers, UCONN and L'Ville. I would be shocked if any of those schools were in the BE in five years. My guess is they are waiting to see how things pan out for Syracuse and Pitt before escaping the BE...probably a good move on their part.
Why would we want to join a league others are trying to escape?
This is what I mean by looking at the world in the rearview mirror. Sometimes, people see the world as what it was and want it to be that way forever even after the world changed. Republicans want it to be the 1950s forever and the Democrats want it to be the 1960s forever. That's the way I think some see the BE. Some want it to be Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Boston College, Miami, VA Tech, etc. instead of leftovers living in a dying, but once really good league. What teams the BE replaces Pitt, Syracuse and WVU with will not be nearly as good as those three so the quality of football will not be any better than a CUSA.
If football is the reason we examining options, the BE is not the place to be. We have one shot to get this right.
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How about looking at it from another angle. If the university wasn't serious about becoming a player in enhancing its football program, the school wouldn't have admitted to the mistake that was Rob Ianello and instead would've let him ride out his contract (especially after firing Brookhart with time left on his contract) and then replaced him with an unproven and cheap "up-and-comer".
Of course, you hope that every hire you make is a home run, but that's never going to be the case. I'd be much more concerned about Proenza and Wistrcill if they weren't being proactive in bringing in people who can win.
BTW, is it even factual to say Paul Winters turned down Akron? I don't know for sure, but I've been told he never was offered the job and that Bowden was their guy all along. Though, I'm sure somebody on here knows how it exactly went down.
In your first paragraph, you might be exactly right. However, the disaster was complete with Ianello. At some point, TW needed to save HIS job and my guess is that move had more to do with it than anything.
A home run? Ianello got on base because of catchers interference. The thing we know about the TW/Proenza team is this, and it is the part that scares me....They were smart enough to hire Bowen...They were stupid enough to hire Ianello. IF we move to another conference, I give them a 50/50 shot at making the right decision about which conference to land in. Conferences are making it mighty expensive to leave now so the decision has to be the right one the first time.
Lastly, Winters posted on the football alumni forum he turned down the job.
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It's not surprising than many consider this to be an unlikely scenario. But think back a year ago and ask yourself what your honest response would have been if you'd heard a rumor that Terry Bowden, Chuck Amato and Jim Tressel would all be working for UA in the near future. UA is on the move in many different ways, and I expect there are more surprises to come.
Had I heard a year ago these three people would be working at UofA, it would have foreshadowed the disaster that was Coach I. These three coming to Akron aren't part of a great plan by the University. They are at UofA because of a terrible hiring decision by Dr. P, which resulted in a terrible hiring decision by TW, which resulted in the dismissal of his hand picked apple from the Charlie Weis coaching tree after two forgettable (being kind) seasons, which resulted in a former Zip actually turning down the head coaching position.
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad Bowden and Amato are here, but let's not forget how they got here. Let's also not forget there are people in positions above them who have made horrible mistakes the past 3 years and are still in positions to make horrible mistakes again. These are also the same people who will pick the next conference if we make a move. Those are the surprises that worry me.
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The possibility of UA and the Big East is coming to me from the same sources that had the Tressel story right all along. We'll see what happens
I don't know how far along it is, but I was told one of the reasons TW was brought to Akron was his connections with other conferences and his experiece working for two other conferences. I was also told there is at least one person on the Board of Trustees (probably someone really old who sees the world through the rear view mirror) who is dead set on trying to get us into Conferrrrr...The Big East and believes TW is the guy to do it...God help us all. UofA badly wants out of the MAC and I can't blame the administration. There are only three real questions: 1. Who would want us? 2. Why would they want us? 3. With the current direction of the Big East, why them?
I'm sure it will jump start another 20 year building process, which doesn't seem that bad since we are already 25 years into the current one. We've got all the time in the world.... I'll only be 62 when it is all over. Some on this board may even die of old age before the next building process is completed.
BTW, Captain Smith says to move the chairs again...
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And with the only D1 teams making the switch to Spring ball being members of the desperate MAC and Sun Belt Conferences, we won't have to worry about scheduling any of the pesky money-making away games against BCS teams. The fans are sure to love a steady diet of OOC games against the finest teams the Sun Belt can offer.
If the choice is MAC and Sun Belt, then we shouldn't do it. If we could get the other MAClike D-1A schools to follow, we would really have something national. If we can't do it on a national level, we shouldn't do it.
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There would have to be something compelling about a new format and teams involved to bring eyeballs. Let's say that the MAC and the Sunbelt decided that their football seasons would start in the Spring and end middle of Summer. How many fans are going to turn the channel to Western Michigan versus Akron on any night of the week this time of year? I think not many. There would have to be something more compelling about the TV product than that "it's football in Spring". The teams/conferences involved would have to include some ratings-gatherers, would have to introduce something new in the game play (more dynamic offense or rule changes that make it somehow interesting to potential viewers), bring an emphasis on safety and/or weight limits for players to differentiate itself from Fall football, or bring traditional powerhouse personalities to amp up entertainment value. By May, traditional football fans are turning their attention to baseball, vacation, yard work, etc. Spring football that consists of crappy leagues/teams like those that the MAC offers would fail in the Spring just like they currently fail in the Fall. So, for GP1, how do you differentiate the game? How do you revolutionize it so that people wonder enough about it to tune in instead of tuning into the Yankees on the radio while they work in the yard?
Having football to watch would be compelling enough. Americans love the game and will watch it when it is presented. They will watch football over MLB, which gets terrible ratings. Vacation? Peoople can plan their vacations around the Zips home games and not go when they are being played. The USFL produced football games and people watched them. It was plain old football just like the nfl and people watched. There is a constant demand for football in the US....look at how much espn covers the nfl when it is not in season. We could give America real games in a national super conference.
As far as ratings, sell it to a network like Fox. Fox is shameless and would promote the heck out of it and people watch a lot of Fox programing because it is so will promoted. Regional coverage could be provided through local stations. Nothing would have to be reinvented. It is a sport in great demand and people will watch it.
Fill the demand.
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2) I do like the potential for differentiating yourself from the rest of college football, but bullet 1 might be a showstopper.
This is as good of a reason for not doing it as saying UofA firing Jim Dennison is reason people don't go to games. It's a non issue and a bad excuse for not doing something. Every 5'10" kid thinks he is going to play in the NFL. It's outside of the world of reality. If an NFL team thinks a kid can play, they will find a way to get them on their team. A team might see a kid playing in May in a game and say, "We need that guy."
I love the idea of a national conference in combination with other MAClike conferences. Further, I like the idea of getting publicity through being the only game in town in the spring and early summer.
What are our other options?
1. Big East...Becoming worse by the year and will be no more than a glorified CUSA before too long.
2. CUSA...not a bad choice, but nobody watches the games in the fall because of BCS schools sucking the air out of everything.
3. Make the MAC better..... 1948.
4. Stay where we are. How is this working out for us?
MAClike conferences are on the college football version of the Titanic. There is an old joke on this board about rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. Conference realignment at the MAClike level is nothing more than rearranging the chairs. Worse, we are throwing more chairs onto the deck (see UNCC, ODU, etc joining S-1A) while the ship is sinking. The best thing for the chairs is to get them off of the ship. We have met the enemy and we are us.
Conference Re-Alignment?
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In a head-to-head competition for the Dollar General crown, the MAC is winning by 20 lengths....