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(Still have to wonder what Ianello was thinking trying to fit Moore into a 'pro' style offense.) /quote]
In addition, you have to wonder why Moore came to Akron in the first place? Who gave him the advice and why did he take it? There are enough MAClike schools out there he could have gone to a school that was a better fit for him.
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If I'm KD, I don't sign for ten years without a pretty good idea a new arena is in the near future.
I referred to KD a while back as a "survivor". This is exactly the type of move a survivor would make. The risk at another school is too great. Besides, he likes it at Akron. As a survivor, KD knows he can stay at Akron forever, so he makes the safe play. He wouldn't leave regardless.
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$400,000? Is it just me or does that seem a bit low?
Depends on how you look at it. Per year, yes. Over 10 years, no.
Duquesne is a death trap. KD would have been swallowed up by it within 4 years at which point he would have made 2.8 million. Good luck finding another D1 coaching job with the stink of Duquesne all over you.
Stay at Akron 10 years, enjoy your life and make 4.0 million plus all the other income associated with being a college basketball coach.
Additional reason to stay. I think 10 years puts KD at the 20 year mark in the Ohio retirement system. Don't think that doesn't matter. KD is still a pretty young guy and he is in great shape for his age. I expect him to have a long life after basketball. He'll have a great income.
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I'm glad they are looking at healthy places like 5 Guys and Chipotle for the students to eat. We need more of that.
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I read one article today that said he was going to be a "quote machine" - its going to be a lot of fun to listen to him.
If by "quote machine", they mean a really stupid guy saying really stupid things, then he will be one. I look forward to it too.
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Is anyone except for me impressed with the way TB handled Moore? After Coach I, I believed, and still believe, every player should be given a shot. Moore deserved at least a shot and TB gave him one. He didn't produce and he is gone. TB didn't string him our for another year and provided him complete honesty as to his future as a Zip, which shows the professionalism of the coach.
The real question is....What do you do if you are Moore? He transfered from Miss...He went to a Juco and did well there....He came to Akron and was at the center of the worst point ever in the history of the program. He should be at least two years from graduating. Does he give it up, go back to Mississippi and graduate?...That's what I would do if I was him. Put it all behind and become a regular student then get a job.
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I wonder what Yoda thinks?
Yoda wouldn't put too much thought into him. Williams is the clone brought in to act as a pawn for a short while.
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Starting a young QB who is not ready is the worst possible thing to do if you have long-term plans.
It depends on the plan.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm Ok with a player starting as a freshman and taking a bit of a beating as long as it doesn't destroy him. Learning from the bench is nonsense. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
The long term plan for a college athlete who is capable of starting his freshman year shouldn't be a gradual improvement process over for years....that's for high school kids and small thinkers. A player capable of starting as a freshman should have a big jump in his ability between his freshman and soph seasons with gradual improvement after those seasons, but not the big jump.
The freshman will start after the ooc schedule is complete. It's a lot easier to play against the mac than Tennessee or UCF. He'll still have some bumps along the way, but he'll be better off for it in the long run.
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How soon will KP16 be ready to start? By the beginning of MAC play? Or will Dalton Williams be our one year wonder?
LET'S GO ZIPS!
By the beginning of MAC play? That's what they are shooting for.
One year wonder? If by "one year wonder", you mean sacrificial lamb for the first few games, I would say yes. In many ways, it is all the kid could hope for. He was a back up at a I-AA school and he would get to start some games, one against an SEC school in front of a huge crowd. I wish him luck. I can think of worse ways to end a career. You never know though....
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I wonder if Rule #1 was: Don't hide the food under your shirt and try to get away.
We now have a nationally known coach who knows what to do and they have stories about going to the store. I like where this is going.
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I'm not certain at what point something becomes felony fraud, but I have to believe passing this event off as a competitive college football game might.
I'm all for you guys going to a game and having a good time, but I hate it you are having your money stolen from you in the process. I might go to Knoxville, tailgate, look at the Volunteer Navy and go to a bar and watch other game. But then again, I'll probably just stay home and watch it on TV.
Have fun and be safe.
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Cooler heads are definitely prevailing in this thread.
The greater the problem, the cooler heads have to be.
Personally, I've always been against less ncaa involvement in just about everything. If the answer to a question is, "The ncaa needs to step in an do something", then it was a stupid question.
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The best 2:19 discussion on this issue was on This Week yesterday morning. I agree with everything everyone said. Video is at the bottom.
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At least a one year death penalty is my vote. Jopa and his superior's were involved in a cover up of a series of major felonies. They did it to protect the goose that was laying golden eggs for them and their friends.
"Jopa and his superiors". I agree. JoPa is dead. Sandusky is in jail. The other two are not far behind Sandusky in going to jail. The culture that caused the mentality that cause something like this to happen was widespread. A culture can't perform a crime, only people. The offenders list is pretty small though. I don't see a reason for the death penalty for a small group of offenders. Those who will be negatively impacted by the death penality will be broad.
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Why not donate ticket sales to the victim's mental health services and or some kind of financial restitution? I'm not sure how most of the punishment suggested helps the victims.
In an indirect way, the money for the games is going to go to the victims. PSU is going to be shelling out tens of millions of dollars to victims over the next several years, as well they should. They are going to be shelling out the money in a time when state institutions around the country are short on money. One way or another the victims will be getting part of the gate.
BirdZip is correct. PSU should suspend their season next year, but they can't. They can't because over the past decade, they have been involved in the same arms race as every other school. Arena after arena. Stadium after stadium. Those structures have to be kept up and the football team is the organization contributing the most to the "building process".
Let's do another exercise. For every action, there is a reaction. Who else could be negatively impacted by PSU not playing next year. I can think of one big organization that would be hugely negatively impacted. Every year, PSU students participate in Thon. It is the largest student run philanthropy in the world and benefits child cancer victims. Think not having seven home games a year for one or two years might impact the fundraising of this organization? Is that what we want when we talk about penalties and the desire for people to impose them? I don't think people hate child molestation as much as they fear it for many, many reasons. Fear comes before hate. I hate to bring up Yoda on a serious subject, but a lot can be learned from Star Wars..."Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you." People want the death penalty because they fear it will happen again and a statement needs to be made about it. I have news for everyone. There were child molesters 1,000 years ago. There will be child molesters 1,000 years from now. We can only try to lessen this problem. Do we really want to get to the point where our fear and hate leads to children with cancer suffering? I'd rather the school try to use this opportunity to do something good.
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But, the idea of penalties is not only to penalize those involved, but also to act as a deterrent to anybody who considers this in the future.
Penalties don't deter. Penalties, by their very nature, are a punishment for wrong doing. They face backward. If PSU is given the death penalty for two years, who is penalized? It seems to me that those directly responsible are either dead or on their way to being on the wrong side of prison bars. Seems to me that is better reason for not allowing this to happen than a football team not playing for a year or two. In the game of prison vs ncaa death penalty, prison wins.
Penalize the fans of PSU? Why? For having childish views of college football and placing someone in higher standing than they should be? Every school should get the death penalty at that point.
There are lots of ways to deter people without punishing those who have done nothing wrong. Those are the solutions that need to be explored.
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This thread is about the issues at PSU. Let's keep it that way.
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All 3 are off the team too. Including 2 probable starters. Your obsession continues. LOL
Two starters remain on team with no scholarship for the summer. Sound like a tough penalty to me. BTW, Stoneburners parents are wealthy and could have paid his way through OSU without a scholarship. If he needs money for summer classes, he will have no problem.
One back-up kicked off team. Tough decision for Urban. I'm sure #2 linebackers are hard to find.
Starters help a team win...they stay on the team. Back-ups can be replaced and get kicked off. If someone is going to try to prove a point while not risking losing, kicking off the back-up is the way to go. When the Zips had off the court problems with their basketball team last year, I said KD should do the exactly same thing. Urban made the right decision here and should get a pat on the back for keeping his priorities straight. Winning comes first. Integrity comes second.
This thread is about Paterno. Let's keep it that way.
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but if the NCAA shouldn't act on this travesty what should it act on?
Non criminal matters.
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I disagree, this happened on university property, in PSU football facilities.
If they're going to penalize univrsities for what individuals do in car lots or tatoo parlors, they HAVE to do something about this.
A crime was committed on University property....That's up to the legal system to deal with.
What happened in a tatoo parlor is an interesting way to put it...or not put it. It happened in a tatoo parlor with a guy who was later found guilty of Federal drug charges, players getting free stuff from the drug dealer in violation of ncaa rules and a coach who knew about the drug charges and lied to his boss to win games. The ncaa has clear rules as to what happened in the tatoo parlor and those rules apply to getting free things. It doesn't have clear rules about this. Once it crosses this line, where does it end? tOSU just had ANOTHER player break the law. Third this off season. Urban is easily going to break his Florida record of arrests at this rate. Anyhow, should the ncaa step in about that? Where does it end?
One argument people are going to bring up is, "The NFL rules on things like this all the time." The NFL has 32 teams and those teams have fewer players on them than a college football team. There is a greater legal connection between NFL teams and the NFL. An NFL team can't be an nfl team and not be in the nfl. A college can have sports teams and not be in the ncaa. How many college football teams? How many basketball teams? How many baseball teams?, etc. will they now have to make rulings on legal matters about. Is their staff big enough to handle the additional work? Do we want the ncaa to have a staff to deal with this knowing they aren't even good at the money matters they handle?
It's easy to say, "they HAVE to do something about this". It would be easy to say that about every legal issue that comes up in the 300+ schools in the ncaa. Where does it stop? People need to do something about this issue. The Board of Trustees at PSU is starting to take steps to try and make sure nothing like this happens again. This is a criminal issue that involves a state university and the legal system. That's where it should be handled. Civil cases will soon be filed in court and that is where this issue should be handled. The state saying something is wrong and putting people in jail means more than the ncaa and the idiots who run it saying it, because the state speaks for everyone. What is happening at PSU right now is worse than what the ncaa could do to them. This legal process is going to take years to resolve and the ncaa should not get in the middle of it.
For whatever reason, Americans have come to believe the ncaa is more that what it really is. It is a club that schools join in order to provide some structure to their athletic departments and conferences. It's the Chamber of Commerce for college athletics.
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This was on Every Day Should Be Saturday. There has been a lot of talk about taking the Paterno statue down. Good or bad, leave it up. There are statues of horrible people all over the world. Everyone has the right to look at something and make their own evaluation as to what it is and what it stands for. People do this every day when they go to museums. Leave it up.
*AND THOUGH WE'VE SAID IT BEFORE: leave the statue up. You were the ones who put it up there, and you don't need to waste time and money taking it down. History is history, and as nice as it would be to confine the nasty bits to the dustbin, this one weighs too much to move. You made it, you live with it, and you try to explain that to whomever cares to ask about it. We spent a lot of our youth in a town with a confederate soldier on a pillar in the middle of a town square, and when our children ask who that is, we'll say "a poor person who was probably as racist and ignorant as his neighbors, and angry enough at life to be duped by shitbag plantation owners into running headlong into a line of cannons. He probably regrets a lot of it, and now most people driving by think he's a Duane Allman, Tim Richmond, or Keith Whitley memorial or something. Let's not have you go to war, ever, okay?"
For the record, our Civil War ancestor deserted, most likely because the food sucked and he ran out of underwear. We've read the letters. He complains about the food a lot, so we're pretty certain we're related by blood and by name. We salute his strategic acumen, and hope he got some decent country ham when he got home.
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By that simple measure, Penn State represents the NCAA, period. As such, the NCAA should have the right to protect its brand.
The ncaa isn't a brand like the nfl is a brand. There are hundreds of schools in the ncaa. If they are going to start ruling on every law violation every single "athlete-student" makes, they will have to at least double the number of employees the ncaa has. Do we really need more ncaa employees? No.
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Deadspin makes some good serious points (sports writers are easy to make fun of. nobody does it because they would have to make fun of themselves.) and then does something funny.
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Do nothing is my vote so I didn't vote. Keep out of it isn't an option for me as I believe the NCAA could require schools to highlight potential problem issues such as this. There is something or them to do, but not one of the options.
The NCAA is set up to give out penalties to schools where money exchanges hands. They do a terrible job of it.
The NCAA is not set up, nor they have the moral standing, to issue rulings on matters such as the PSU case. I can see them actually being worse than they are at giving penalties for money if they give out penalties for moral issues. It starts a slippery slope for a car being driven by morons.
The folks guilty at PSU are paying through the legal system. Paterno is dead. The NCAA should do nothing about this issue until the legal matters surrounding this case close. It could be years. By the time it is over, PSU will be what it was going to be sooner or later after Paterno retired even if the Sandusky issue didn't happen. PSU is going to be in worse shape than having the death penalty...they are going to become The University of Illinois Version 2.0. They are dead either way.
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