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It's certainly not the Amish. Says you. English! Just go build a barn....and take a bath for crying out loud, it's Saturday.

Hats off to the AD for setting the right tone.

Devoe Torrence is better than any YSU running back there or coming. Regardless he is a linebacker first and foremost and eventually will figure that out. Also, I dont see him as this "bum" as some people are calling him. He is a tremendous talent that just hasn't got his chance to shine, like i said, when he figures out what his true position is he will be a star. Same thing I was thinking. There is no way YSU has any running backs anywhere near as talented as him... I can't help but laugh when someone comes around here and tries to act like YSU is so superior to akron. Trust me the worst players on Akron's team would be stars for the penguins... I don't know if I would go that far... I think we've seen in the last few seasons that the difference between FBS and FCS isn't as great as we'd all like to believe, and Akron right now is a bad FBS team. Certainly, our talent level is superior, but there are guys at YSU that would see significant time here, and there are probably a few bums on our roster that would be bums on their's just the same. Well stated. Player from FBS make the NFL every year and there is talent there. Heck, kids from D3 make it every year. There are just too many teams in FBS and the differences between the top and bottom are so drastic the NCAA should find a way to separate these teams. By applying logic, it is impossible to believe that in a 130 odd team division, all of the schools have the exact same ability to compete fairly against one another. I know people don't like to read that, but that's the reality of college football today. It's the way the NCAA wants it. The MAC is an FCS league calling itself an FBS league....we aren't doing ourselves any favors. The biggest problem is there isn't a single AD out there who would vote for separating FBS because the majority of ADs would find their schools in FCS when it was all over and those remaining would no longer be able to pad their schedule with cupcakes at the beginning of the year. Nobody wants to have on their resume they were the AD who downgraded a program. I'd love to read an AD's resume and see how many times they use the word "build" in it.

I won't say one was better than the other, but I will say if these two are the best we can do, we are in deep poop.

Now your getting it. For comparison's sake, it would help if they played for the same team in the same era, but I'll let you slide for the point of illustration. Okay, I can do that too. The goal of every season at the University of Tennessee is to win the national championship. Tee Martin 1, Peyton Manning 0. Tee Martin > Petyon Manning for the same reasons that Luke Getsy > Charlie Frye. The thing is you can extrapolate the logic into Frye's career. Akron wins nothing while he was there then Getsy wins...winner Getsy. The Browns win nothing until Frye is sent packing to Seattle (to be the #3 of all positions) and the Browns go 10-5 in their last 15....Winner DA. There is a pile of evidence showing Frye is a loser and NONE showing he can win anything....winner, everyone but Frye.

Until Getsy hit the field you are correct, once that happened, it was Charlie-WHO? 1. Getsy 2. Frye Getsy's best season was 7-6 and 5-3 in the MAC. Same as Charlie's. His stats were worse. The man barely completed 50 percent of his passes. His senior year, he led the team to a very "winner-like" record of 5-7. Charlie was drafted in the 3rd round. Luke was not drafted and cut as a free agent. Both were good QB's for us, but I don't think the facts support you in saying that Luke was the better QB. His MAC championship happened because he was the very fortunate benefactor of circumstances and a very weakened MAC East with Marshall and UCF gone and Miami on the decline. I mean we lost to Ball State that season for craps sake. If...if ....if ....if ...if .....if ....if .......if....if....if......if......if.......if.......if......if.....if........if ......if........if..... No "ifs" here. Charlie Frye had a career losing record at AKRON. Any winner in the five years leading up to his career and five years after his career won the MAC. Charlie could beat any team with a losing record. You can take the statistics and flush them down the toilet. The guy was/is a loser. Getsy won when it mattered.

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all." C'mon GP, I know your disdain for Frye, but can you honestly look this board in the screen and tell them that any first year coach wouldn't be jizzing himself to inherit a QB coming off a 273/421 (64.8%) for 3549 yards and 22 TD, 111 carries for 288 yards and 7 TD, season?? I know Robby I. would. I would agree if the guy wasn't a career loser. Stats are one thing, winning is another.

It's certainly not the Amish.

You guys are old. True, but Z.I.P. is older! But he does have the whole "living in paradise" thing going for him I got you all beat, my freshman year was 78. You guys are old.

Luck? Isn't there a saying that goes something like this, "If it wasn't for bad luck, he would have had no luck at all."

What if he never figures it out?

A step in the wrong direction. However, it is one of many wrong steps since that liberal George HW Bush was elected in 1988. Bill Clinton made the Bush presidents look Marxist. George W. Bush drove the country to the edge of the cliff and Obama is going to drive the country over the cliff. Even Paul Krugman had a difficult time in the NY Times this morning trying to explain how the country is going to get out of trouble. He seems to be all in with healthcare reform being a huge money saver but really has no further solutions. After WWII, the country inflated it's way out of debt, but there was enormous growth so the debt became less of a percet of GDP. Inflation today would require increasing interest rates, which would decrease growth and actually make paying down the debt more expensive...couple that with a president who is in favor of anti-growth policies (higher taxes and more regulation) and protecting government employees at all costs, we have huge problems. Krugman seems to believe we will not become the next Greece, but there are few examples of countries who got out of financial problems by inflating their way out of them. The last couple of years are just the start of what is going to be a long recovery for the USA. The country just doesn't have the stomach to make difficult decisions. Required reading by everyone on this board should be: "End the Fed" by Ron Paul.

You guys are old.

I'm with another school. Further prediction will be he will play one year there and then be out of college football completely. At which point he will not be picking up garbage, but he will be sweeping floors.

QBs not panning out is the story of the MAC. Any team with a decent QB has a great shot of at least winning their division. I think the real point is there aren't that many good QBs out there. If Nicely starts four years, wins not a single MAC Championship and has a career losing record, he will be on the same level as Frye. If he wins one MAC Championship, I'll take it and we can say he was at least as good as Getsy. If he wins two, best QB in school history. The advantage Nicely has is the league is worse now than I can remember. He doesn't have to have the talent of the others to be successful. We joke about the guy from CMU, but CK is right in that the guy has limited talent and any NFL team that takes him is making a mistake. As long as this league is as horrible as it is, I still remain bullish. My only concern is a pro style offense in college football. "But GP1, Alabama won the National Championship with a pro offense." They sure did...against a Colt McCoyless Texas team. Texas almost pulled that game out with a freshman with a pile of crap in his pants by running the spread offense. Cincy, FL, tOSU, Oregon, Boise State, TCU, etc all now run a type of spread offense and we are not. I'm not saying we can't win, I'm just saying I have a concern.

All they need to do is dip into their bottomless pit of money and build them. Then everything will be just fine.

To where? Are you saying we could be the next Seton Hall or Providence of the Big East? Wow, that sounds great. There is something basketball fans need to understand. The mid west is a football area. Basketball is something that takes place between football season and spring football. The football team pays the price for keeping the Athletic Department (yes, that means the basketball team) in business. The football team pays the price for paying KDs bloated salary, which I'm sure is not covered by the overflow crowds packing the JAR to watch them play the crappy schedule they play. The football team makes it so the basketball team can continue to dodge every decent team out there in order to continue their "building process". My guess is this "building process" will continue well into the next decade with little change. Take away the football team and everything else wilts. Good night.

When I was at the basketball golf outing, during the Q & A session a guy asked KD (a set up, "softball" question of the year, with added $40million dollar exaggeration) -- "How do you feel about the football program getting a $100million dollar stadium, when you are playing in an old arena. And all you've done is win 20 games year-in-year-out, and you're coming off an NCAA Tourney berth?" Dambrot's reply is irrelevant. To me, what is relevant, is the basketball vs. football mentality that the guy exuded. The fact that he's baiting KD to bash the Zips football program was beyond shameful. Memo to "Basketball Guy": * The football team is the only program that can draw 30,000 people to a game. Basketball's best draw is 5,500. * The football team is the only program that can net $700,000 by playing an away game at Penn State * The football team sacrifices it's coach's record by playing a lot of essentially unwinnable BCS-level road games, to get cash for the Zips Athletic Department. * The Zips football program played in a total dump of a stadium for the past 25 years * Most importantly - Infocision Stadium is Zips Basketball Guy's only ticket out of this God-forsaken MAC Conference. Without it, you're watching home-home series with the Eastern Michigan's of the world for the rest of your life. This post isn't a rant against Zip_ME87, who is my buddy. But his post brought to the surface a complaint that's always bugged me. Basketball guy needs to quit directing his anger at Zips football, and find another scapegoat...villain...whatever you want to call it...for the basketball program's shortcomings. It is proven that a 20-win, MAC Champion Zips men's hoops team will draw, on-average, 3,000 fans. That ain't football's fault. Blame Dambrot, who considered this season a "rebuilding year" even though he only lost 1 player from an NCAA Tourney qualifier, and brought in a highly-touted 7-footer to replace him on the roster. Blame the soft schedule, that excited absolutely no one. Blame the lack of eye-catching wins over marquee teams (Florida State was long, long ago) Blame the team that won 24 games, yet got waxed by pretty much every decent team they competed against. Blame our lethargic approach to home games (remember when we NEVER lost at the JAR?) Blame the lack of a "star," must-see player. Blame the JAR team shop, who doesn't sell Zips Basketball replica jerseys (we wouldn't want little kids wearing such things to games, or around town, would we?) Blame the $3.00 hotdogs and understaffed concession lines (even with our weak crowds) Blame the lethargic blue hairs that seem to prefer staying home and watching "The Golden Girls" reruns to watching Zips hoops Blame the University for never successfully formulating, and following through with, a plan to get students to the games Blame the tragedy that is The Tommy Evans Lounge (what did poor Tommy ever do to get his name associated with it...whatever it was, it must have been really awful) Blame Marketing for lack of interesting promotions (boy, weren't halftimes a hoot this season?) Dambrot promised a brutal off-season for his returning players, in an attempt to toughen them up for 2010-11. It will be interesting to see if Winstrcill matches that change-of-approach with the other aspects of the basketball program such as Marketing and Promotions. There is a laundry list of basketball-related things proven to coma-tize Joe Akron. I don't want to see them again. If I do see them again, don't blame the football program. And as a final note of clarification - I attended 7 football games this year, and 20+ basketball games. And 7 soccer matches. Between season tickets and donations, UA is into my pocket for about $3,000 this past athletics season. I love Dambrot. I also love Zips football, and tailgating. If we want to fill seats, we needs to work together, not point fingers. Big changes are needed. No one should be happy with a 1/2 empty JAR. Amen. Take away football and the Athletic Department dies. Basketball could make more money if they played more money games.

Expenditure-wise, we're probably already pretty close to Butler? On an unrelated side note - I wonder if mid-major coaches are happy that Butler has proven a mid-major can make it to the Finals...or pissed because all mid-major fans are going to hold them to a higher standard? Should mid major fans hold their schools to a higher standard? Yes. Now the only question is, What is the standard? I think the Zips can do better than what they did this season. I hate to define it because there are so many variables that go into a good program, but I'll know it when I see it. What Butler has done is what makes it so difficult to have their success as a mid major. Butler has done everything PERFECT. It's hard to be perfect. If you are Duke, you don't have to be perfect. A mistake here or ther and you still have a thriving program. A couple of mistakes at a mid major and problems can become crushing. There is a old Russian saying: "Perfection is the enemy of just good enough." Are the Zips stuck in a situation where they win 20 games a year, do well in the MAC and get into a post season tournament so few people get overly upset? It isn't until you see perfection that you realized just good enough may not be good enough.

It depends on the definition of good. There is no doubt you have accurately described Huggy's professional personality. I really don't know the guy personally so nobody should comment. Here is the point. Most of us on this on this board have no idea how difficult it is to grow up in the type of situation many college basketball players grow up in. Most on this board would probably piss their pants daily in high school if you had to grow up in those circumstances. Many of those kids have a tough crust about them that we will never understand. The only thing many of them understand is intimidation and they don't respect anyone who they don't believe is as tough as they are. Huggins was/is as tough as any kid he has ever coached. He has proven over the course of a very successful career, at schools that are not exactly in the top echilon, that kids respond to him being a hardass. Just like Bob Knight, kids know what they are getting into when they sign the offer letter. WVU never won the Big East until Huggins came along. UofA was a very good team and won the OVC with Huggins...a trip to the NIT as well. Cincy was a more than solid program under Huggins. None of these schools are exactly hotbeds of college basketball and Huggins has won at all three and took two to the Final Four. Once schools like UNC, Duke, UCONN, AZ, etc. get done picking the cream of the crop, guys like Huggins are left with what is remaining. Right or wrong, Huggins is a great coach.

If the kangaroo made a mess on the field, it could be cleaned up with a "Kangarooper Scooper".

Did someone say something about ramblings?

This list is like a plumber's crack. It's something you know about, you just don't want to see.

Good post. The same defense that showed up all year for WVU showed up last night. Last night is what happens when a good offensive team shows up against a good defensive team. Somehow the offense will rise to the top and win the game. Duke hit one early shot after another and WVU was put under pressure to perform offensively and they couldn't. It happens in every sport.

It could be, but it won't be. The Butler/MSU game was a disgrace to college basketball. Both teams played good defense, but let's be honest about what really went on. It's been a long time since I've seen such a bad shooting performance by two teams in a single game, let alone one with such meaning. There were plenty of open shots missed. It's too bad a statistic documenting missed open shots isn't kept because there were a boat load. The Laugh-O-Meter even came out a couple of times. Duke makes one big shot after another and is going to destroy Butler Monday night. So much for defense winning championships. If it did, Duke wouldn't have destroyed that vaunted defense WVU deployed.