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Whatever floats your boat dude.... We have a former football coach at our school who bought himself and his coaches MAC East Championship rings when they didn't even make the MAC Championship.Also, Akron's not the defending champion. Bowling Green (and Buffalo) claim that. Akron is the defending tournament champion. -
This afternoon I was speaking with my mother and she started a sentence with the following words, "I heard in church that..." There is usually some truth to whatever comes next.This kid is a freshman at my high school and is reported to be an excellent basketball player. Church gossip also has him being recruited by tOSU, Michigan and UofA.How much is true?
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Another interesting statistic is the W-L records. Isn't it the case that LO loaded up on I-AA teams (3) late in his tenure and JD didn't do the same thing? I think JD only played one in his six years so let's redo the math with a more realistic view.As we all know, any ooc game played in the LO era was a loss so let's count the Liberty and Cal Poly wins as L's since we surely would have lost to I-A teams. That would take the LO record from 32-36 to 30-38 (.441).Give JD two guaranteed wins instead of L's in his time, he goes from 30-41 to 32-39 (.450).If winning percentage, adjusted for scheduling, is a consideration, JD wins this category. Maybe you aren't so right after all....If LO was still the coach of UofA, the program would be in shambles, worse than it is now. LO had nothing in the tank at the end and the "talent" he took with him from UofA to Ashland couldn't even win a D-2 league.NFL players are not the indication of great recruiting. Overall talent is. The overall talent on this team is as good as it has been since the Zips went 7-3-1 under Faust. The Zips had a coach who put that talent in impossble situations. If Coach I and his staff are any good at all at coaching players on the field, this team should have a winning record in the MAC next year and compete for the championship of the East.But after all these years of arguing, it sure does feel good, in the end, to be shown to have been right all along
. Can't fault a guy for taking a moment to say "I told you so." 
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I've never believed in the theory that fans were disgruntled by Dennison getting fired. In fact, there was a good bit of energy about Faust being hired. Faust's first year they had a great crowd at Acme-Zip and a good Thursday night crowd for the MSU game on ESPN. My freshman year we had the fourth largest crowd to see the Zips play in the Acme-Zip game. The evidence just isn't there. Crowds did get smaller, but that was more of a result of losing than disgruntled Dennison fans.When UofA hired Faust, they had no clue how to support a D-1A football program. The weight room was a double sized classroom in the basement of the JAR for the first two years. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Faust, he was at Notre Dame and knew what it took to succeed at a high level. Never once did he complain about the horrible circumstances he was in at UofA. Nor did his coaches or players. Faust never once complained about Dennison being his boss, which was a terrible situation in itself because of the circumstances of Dennison being let go and Dennison having no clue as to how to run a D-1A program. I good poster on this board always said it was "Bush Leage all the way". Believe me, it was and nobody complained.If you look at what Faust had to work with his first 5 years, it was absolutely horrible and the guy did a pretty good job given the circumstances. I'll take the Faust years and the men who coached and played for him any day over the boys from the other eras.Faust was a Notre Dame reject and he had mediocre results with terrible facilities and sub zerocommunity support due to the angst caused by disgruntled Jim Dennison supporters. -
Nice story.In South Carolina, people don't care as much as you might think about football. Clemson has a loyal following as long as they are winning, but that following is somewhat isolated to the upstate. Clemson is not easy to get to and once you get there the stadium is even more difficult to get to. Not to mention it full of a bunch of a-holes. The part when the team runs down the hill is not that impressive also...it takes too long. The leg room in the stands makes the JAC seem like a luxury suite. The music they play over the PA is too loud and reminds me of going to a Cavs game. The only good thing they have going for them is...you guys aren't going to believe this....you can leave at halftime (you have to get a hand stamp), go to your tailgate, drink a couple of beers and then return to the stadium.The Gamecocks are an ACC school pretending to be an SEC school. They stink, but the expectations are not very high and the results are usually poor to average. Horrible position for any coach. They should beg the ACC to take them back...they would immediately be one of the best teams in the league. Going to a basketball game at USC is like watching paint dry.The point is, in a state where not many care about their D-1A football teams, it will be difficult for Hunter to get people to care about Coastal. He does have a really nice stadium being built next to a main highway, but can he convince the people pull themselves away from the beach or shrimping in the last few weeks of warm weather to go to many games? The other issue is many of the people there are transplants from somewhere else so they really don't care much about Coastal. He has a bit of a fight on his hands, but I think it is doable.
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ZW, thanks for the information. Many have argued this point as well and it is more than theory. Great Britain ended slavery in exactly the same way. The government bought all slaves and freed them at a very low cost of money and lives.zen, the Civil War was about slavery. Many say it was about "states rights", but that is a dodge from reality. The question then becomes, the right to do what? The answer was the right to own slaves. One of the ugly spots on American history is the claim of states rights when people are committing horrible acts against their fellow man. States rights to have slavery. States rights to have segregation. I believe in states rights because it increases the amount of ideas to 50 instead of one, but not when it is used to hold your fellow man down.
that sort of divisive interpretation is often not as unintentional as it might appear.... but alas, that's politics.Regardless, if that is his theory, I have to ask whether he would have allowed to the south to leave the Union as well, since fighting succession may have had more to do with the war than abolition.RP has made the observation that it would have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives saved) if the Union had simply bought all of the slaves from their owners, set them free and then legislated the end of slavery. The war was more costly than the total investment that plantation owners had in their "labor pools."It's not hard to see how some would hear 3 words of his discussion and come to some belief that he thinks slavery was a good thing or something. RP just observes, with the benefit of history, that it would have been better to buy the slaves to end slavery than to have the destructive Civil War. -
Neither one of these guys recruited the quality of player Faust did in his first five years. While neither Lyons or Buddenberg were Faust recruits, each will say if it wasn't for the NFL quality coaches Faust brought in they would have never made the NFL (if NFL players are the measurement of success...I doubt that).Faust had it far worse in his first five years than Owens in terms of school reputation, conference, facilities, financial support, etc. You'll never hear anyone from that era cry about that.Since we are talking NFL, Faust brought in Vic Green and JT. Let's face it, every NFL guy Owens or JD brought in is/was easily replaceable on any NFL team they played on. How soon we all forget how much better the Browns were immediately after they cut Frye. Owens produced marginal NFL players and zero superstars.Green was one of the key players on the Jets. Green started in the NFL for almost his entire career and had a ten year career. This Faust recruit is the second best Zip in history behind the Faust recruit next.Do I need to get into the Hall of Fame career of Taylor? I'm sorry, the first ballot HOF career of Taylor. While he wasn't recruited in the first five years of Faust, he was the greatest Zip ever.I guess in some small thinking way, NFL players are a measurement of success, but what about the giant pile of crap Owens recruited around those giants of the NFL he brought in? If you put all of the Owens NFL players on one team, you would almost one half of a very average college team.I think Faust also had the best season winning percentage in his first five years as well 7-3-1. Pretty good if you ask me. Especially considering the state of ficilities, financial support, etc. the program had in his era.The one thing ITZ conveniently leaves out it is Brookhart was 1-0 in MAC Championship games. He was also 1-0 in a game that mattered to go to the MAC Championship. Owens can brag he never lost a MAC Championship with his 0-0 record in them.Owens was a choke artist and produced a bunch of crybaby choke artists around him. The more I hear them cry, the more disgusted I become by them. Guys who played for Faust never cried about facilities, reputation, lack of conference, zero academic help, financial support, etc. Everyone just played. While some wound up in jail (two who wound up on jail were certain NFL players in Frowner and Clark), there were players much better than what we saw in either the Owens or JD eras.In a measurement of the tallest midgets, I think Faust comes out on top...at least in the first five years. Amazing what history teaches us. In fact, what does this trend teach us? Maybe the trend is a declining quality of coach since the start of the D-1A era. We'll see how Coach I does.
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Can you give us a public statement Paul has given on slavery. Exactly what do you mean by pro-death?Ron Paul would support that view today.Ron Paul and his idiot spawn are pro-death. Same as the moron in the White House. -
Stating facts is not beating a dead horse.I for one will not give Brookhart any credit just like I gave Owens no credit for the MAC Championship. That was Brookhart's team. If Coach I wins next year, he should get the credit because it is his team and his ideas. Calling it some elses team diverts responsibility away from the new coach and is a tool to gloss over failure as a building process.Will you give Brookhart any credit if "his" players do well under Ianello? I wonder... -
I voted for him as well. He was the only sane choice. Instead, McCain won and he ran with that empty skirt Palin. I voted Libertarian in the general.William F. Buckley, God rest his soul, was a great conservative who guided the conservative movement in the US until his passing. Now we have Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'reilly and a bunch of other hysterical pseudointellectuals leading the movement. They are in fact really stupid and their stupidity leads them to hate those they don't agree with. I don't know how anyone could listen to those boobs for any length of time and feel good after listening to them. Buckley never outwardly hated anyone.I've been following Ron Paul since the 2008 primary. -
Why do you care so much about those stupid computer rankings? The only thing that matters is points scored in comparison to the other team.It's one thing to use statistics to compare various aspects of a game...it is another to use them to make it seem as if a 17 point loss was not that bad. UofA was horrible yesterday any way someone wants to slice it. The Zips were so bad, Zip Watcher hasn't even come in the board to tell us this is part of the "building process" KD sees for the team. It's either that or he is following the old rule that if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all.There are lies, damn lies and statistics.Can't (55 RPI) was playing at home against a team with a 125 RP!, a bigger rating gap than between VCU (61 RPI) and UA (101 RPI). Yet Can't won by only 2 points when they should have blown out Western Carolina worse than VCU did to UA. -
This is a replay of the Ron Paul speech at CPAC this weekend. Ron Paul is a real conservative.Unfortunately, neo-conservatives have taken over an American political party. Neo-conservatives are big government liberals calling themselves conservative. When you turn on FOX News, you see neo-conservatives in Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume, etc. These guys are big government liberals who want to use government to promote their reilgious and international agenda. They are absolute lunatics.Please take 20 minutes and listen to Ron Paul to see if what he says makes sense. I think it does and I wish the guy was president.
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Don't feel too bad about the wake up call. I had mine about three years ago when I moved away and started to go to ACC football games and realized how much better an even average football conference like the ACC was than the MAC. I really started to question my beliefs about the MAC and what I was actually watching. Many of my beliefs were just plain wrong. What you are experiencing is actually healthy and once you see it for what it is you can better conceptualized the direction the program should move.In many ways, I like the MAC even more since I've admitted to myself my wife was right and it is Dollar General. I don't go into a game with an illusion about what I am watching and I can just enjoy a sporting event. Try that and you will enjoy the games more. Honest to God, just try it and you will like it...sort of like smoking pot for the first time.The VCU game was yet another wake up call to a lot of fans who've been very patiently waiting for our program to elevate. I'm tired of hitting the snooze bar. -
Thank you for coming into the forum Coach Faust. Please try to remember your days of teaching typing at Moeller and utilized the shift and space buttons.if vcu is so much better than the zips how did they lose to western michigan.if they were that good they would have won that game.if conyers would be sub they should have beat wmu by 30,but they lost.the same wmu team we beat at k-zoo. -
I respectfully disagree. The athletic ability of this team is better than have seen in the KD era. From what I saw yesterday, I think there is a lack of cohesion with this team we have not seen in the past against better teams. Call it cohesion...call it rythm...call it what ever you want. I'm not sure if cohesion is even the right word, but is something intangible I can't exactly find a word for. Maybe someone out there could find a better word.Why has this program progressively gotten worse against these types of teams? I think it has to do with talent. -
I don't disagree at all. Your posts today are excellent in fact. My worry is you are right on the money. Maybe this is all there is. We are a good team with a good coach in a bad conference with a weak schedule that produces twenty wins a year. An illusion? Maybe....Today should have been a wake up call. Is there anyone out there who still believes we are anywhere near being even a top twenty five mid major? We were out everythinged today.
I think we've grown, and I think we've built since Keith has been here. I don't think anyone can fairly argue that Keith's teams aren't significantly better than Hipsher's teams were, and honestly, under Hipsher we wouldn't have even been in position to get a bracketbuster game against a team like a VCU, so there has been progress. The problem is that we have stalled out all together. We've gotten to the point where we are one of the top programs in the MAC now, but we have no idea where to go from here. There doesn't seem to be any attempt to go for bigger things. We're perfectly content trying to win the MAC tournament to get to the NCAA's, but we have no plan of action after that. Seemingly every time we have an opportunity to show something outside of the MAC we fail. Apparently at this point we aren't even going to try. Just win your 20+ games against a watered down OOC schedule and your crummy West teams, try to win the MAC tournament then bow out early in the NCAA's. Again, we've gotten to a new level for this program by being able to get to and win MAC tournament titles, we just don't seem to know what to do next.
Are you harshly saying all of the "growing" and "building" is an illusion?Another opportunity to prove something on a semi-national stage, another craptastic performance from the Zips. Guys looked uninspired and out of sorts. This one falls squarely on coaching. Ever since this game was announced KD took the approach that the game really didn't matter for the Zips and that he didn't even really want to play it. Well guess what KD, you just got embarrased on national TV. You got outcoached, your team got outhustled and you were simply overmatched. Normally I'm not a big critic of KD except for when it comes to scheduling. But one has to wonder if all the talk about being a "sleeping giant" and becoming the "Gonzaga of the East" that we've heard for so many years out of Keith was just a bunch of bull. This coach and this program seems perfectly content just trying to be at or near the top of the conversation in one of the weakest college basketball conferences in the country. There doesn't appear to be much interest at all in making a splash on the national scene. Open challenge here Keith, you want us (the fans) to continue to support you and you want to grow this program, show us you want it. Show us you want to be something more than just one of the top programs in the MAC. As far as individual performances and issues, not much more to say here. Zeke was flat awful today. He kept a few balls alive on the offensive end, but that was about it. His shot selection and finishing ability was as poor as I've ever seen it, and he was really a non-factor on the defensive end. I'm pretty well convinced that none of our big guys could have finished a wide open dunk if they had the opportunity today. Piss poor free throw shooting (a KD staple) and long scoring droughts (again a KD staple) and the Zips lose. Not much else you can say. Ohh well, at least we still have a shot at that #1 seed in the MAC tournament.
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Attention ZipsNation posters and readers. The Great GP1 did not post this.....Only the biggest Akron homer in the world can say that they really didn't see a difference between the two teams. Conyers has been the Zips most consistent player all year. He would be the first or second guy off the VCU bench. No question this program is better than what it was under Hipsher, but it's begining to be obvious that it is growing stagnant. Yes, they'll continue to win 20 games as long as the MAC stays down because they will load up on cupcakes in the non-conference and scrap their way to 10 MAC wins. But is that what fans want to settle with?I think one of the reasons attendence has been as bad as it has this year is because of how boring this team is to watch. It's a bunch of guys with decent skills, who try hard and scrap. But the lack of athleticism for a 20-win D1 team is glaring. It makes for some painful basketball to watch.Is there anybody on this team that can play above the rim? No (dunking on a fast break doesn't count). Is there anybody who can create offense for themselves off the dribble? Conyers and Brett McKnight (though with McKnight is usually ends up in a bad shot). Humpty has the athleticism to make plays off the dribble but his decision making and shot selection is something to be desired. Is there anybody who can consistently score in the post? I haven't seen it. C. McKnight and Cvetenovic have had their moments, but neither are going to be confused with Romeo Travis or Jeremiah Wood. Both those guys also spend too much time on the perimeter. I know some of it is by design, but it pains me everytime one of them gets the ball 18 feet from the basket and put there head down and bull into the paint, usually resulting in a charge or a wild layup (though it seems like those wild layups have been semi-successful because they've led to some offensive rebounds and second-chance points. Still, not exactly how you want to draw up a play.) Zeke is a long way away from being an offensive threat.Is there anybody who will give 100 percent and scrap on defense. Yes. Basically the entire team. Unfortanutely grit and hustle will only get you so far on a basketball court. -
Whatever you are smoking, please send some down to South Carolina.It's OK to say the Zips got their asses kicked today. It happens to everyone and it happened today. Living in a statistical fantasy world does not help.Again, the only stat that matters is point differential. VCU scored more points today than UofA.
Bad that the Zips came within 2 rebounds of a team that was supposed to kill them on the boards?Bad that the Zips had fewer turnovers against a pressing defense that was supposed to cause a Zips meltdown?Bad that the Zips had more steals than the team with the "more athletic" players?Bad that the Zips had more blocked shots than the team with the experienced big with the 7-foot-7 wingspan who's projected to be an NBA lottery pick?Bad that the Zips caused the projected NBA lottery pick to foul out?The Zips played like men against men. They lost because they couldn't get the ball through the hoop. It happens to the biggest, baddest, toughest men who play the sport.One thing I do believe is bad are fans who are so focused on pointing fingers at what went wrong that they refuse to acknowledge any good from the team they claim to support.
Of course they did. They only scored 53 points. Points scored compared to the other team is the most important statistic. Turnovers, steals, blocks and rebounds lead to scoring opportunities, not necessarily points.In big games, you had better be able to score points and put pressure on the other team. Akron put no pressure on VCU to perform all day.That was just plain bad in every way.Zips beat VCU or played them close to even on rebounds, blocks, steals and turnovers. They lost on shooting percentage. -
Are you harshly saying all of the "growing" and "building" is an illusion?Another opportunity to prove something on a semi-national stage, another craptastic performance from the Zips. Guys looked uninspired and out of sorts. This one falls squarely on coaching. Ever since this game was announced KD took the approach that the game really didn't matter for the Zips and that he didn't even really want to play it. Well guess what KD, you just got embarrased on national TV. You got outcoached, your team got outhustled and you were simply overmatched. Normally I'm not a big critic of KD except for when it comes to scheduling. But one has to wonder if all the talk about being a "sleeping giant" and becoming the "Gonzaga of the East" that we've heard for so many years out of Keith was just a bunch of bull. This coach and this program seems perfectly content just trying to be at or near the top of the conversation in one of the weakest college basketball conferences in the country. There doesn't appear to be much interest at all in making a splash on the national scene. Open challenge here Keith, you want us (the fans) to continue to support you and you want to grow this program, show us you want it. Show us you want to be something more than just one of the top programs in the MAC. As far as individual performances and issues, not much more to say here. Zeke was flat awful today. He kept a few balls alive on the offensive end, but that was about it. His shot selection and finishing ability was as poor as I've ever seen it, and he was really a non-factor on the defensive end. I'm pretty well convinced that none of our big guys could have finished a wide open dunk if they had the opportunity today. Piss poor free throw shooting (a KD staple) and long scoring droughts (again a KD staple) and the Zips lose. Not much else you can say. Ohh well, at least we still have a shot at that #1 seed in the MAC tournament. -
Of course they did. They only scored 53 points. Points scored compared to the other team is the most important statistic. Turnovers, steals, blocks and rebounds lead to scoring opportunities, not necessarily points.In big games, you had better be able to score points and put pressure on the other team. Akron put no pressure on VCU to perform all day.That was just plain bad in every way.Zips beat VCU or played them close to even on rebounds, blocks, steals and turnovers. They lost on shooting percentage. -
It's all about percentages. The football team plays 75% of their OOC games against BCS level teams. It is killiing the program. The basketball team should in no way do the same thing. They should in no way also continue to hide from good ooc competition by playing the Malones of the world (twice) and beef up their schedule. They can only hide for so long. Reality needs to happen sooner rather than later.
Basketball and football are completely different animals. Putting 5 or 6 power conference teams on a basketball schedule would be less of an impact on the entire season than 3 BCS teams in football.So let me get this straight...some of the same people b*tching at basketball to schedule up are doing the same for football to schedule down? Bring out the dead horse icon, you guys get reeeal old. -
UofA has a lot of blame, no doubt.We had a great alumni phone campaign going under Gary Bogue and it all stopped. One year was not enough and Gary could have always done better than working with the children in college athletics. UofA gave up on the alumni in favor of the HUGE donors. Right or wrong , that is what happened.Again, I hate to put any blame on CB, he was asked a question and just responded. While I don't agree with the way he responded, it was the answer to a questions that was never followed up on. Chase isn't a rocket scientist, he is just a guy who plays football for a living.
Then Thomas left, and it all stopped. UA needs to be in Blackburn's face. Give the guy t-shirts and caps. Invite him back for the golf outings and spring practices. Ditto Hixon. And Frye. And others. And if they can't make it in one season, you call them back in 6 months and try again. It's pretty simple.If you see Chase Blackburn wearing an OSU shirt underneath his jersey, I blame UA, not Chase.
Exactly my point. How or why would anyone know he went to Akron? All he talked about was tosu...Guys like CB need to get in front of the media and promote UA. It would go a long way to validating our program and then maybe he wouldn't be asked such a question...In fact, I'm not sure how many Joe Akrons out there, when they watch a Giants game, know Blackburn went to UofA. -
I see what you are saying. I just didn't read any negative toward UofA in his comments. He was asked a question about growing up in Columbus and being a tOSU fan. He gave an honest answer that had nothing to do with UofA. I'm sure there are a lot of kids who grew up near one school, cheered for it then went to another and still out of the corner of their eye follow the school they grew up near. I think that is natural.If UofA won, Joe Akron would go to games. If the MAC was more entertaining, Joe Akron would go to games. If they played on reasonable days, Joe Akron would go to games. If they played at reasonable times, Joe Akron would go to games. I think Blackburn's opinions have little to nothing to do with that. In fact, I'm not sure how many Joe Akrons out there, when they watch a Giants game, know Blackburn went to UofA.
I diasgree. It's completely reasonable that CB grew up in c-bus wanting to go to OSU to play football. But he played at UA and he should be supporting the Zips now, not tosu. Screw Chase Blackburn!The diehards on this board bitch all the time that attendance is poor at UA games. Well, why should Joe Akron spend his hard earned money for a UA game when the players and former players don't give a damn about UA...You are correct, what goes on at UA does have very little to do with what goes on at tosu.However, what goes on at tosu has a huge impact on all other D1 Ohio schools, UA included.I know dozens of families in my community who are UA grads. And exactly none of them ever attend UA games. Yet I see all of them wearing their tosu gear...
I agree. One thing everyone should understand is most kids don't grow up wanting to play for UofA or any other MAC school. Most kids end up in the MAC because it is where they belong and they were passed over at BCS schools because they didn't have the ability to play there. It's not a bad thing, it just is what it is.....UofA shouldn't worry about what happens at tOSU. I could really care less about them and I think what goes on at UofA has very little to do with what goes on at tOSU. The only reason people think about it as us vs. them is we live in that type of society where everything has become all or nothing. Talk radio is a lot of us vs. themes...it helps people feel at home listening to the radio because they believe they are part of something bigger. UofA should put a good product on the field and play when they want to play. Put a good product on the field and the ABJ will write about them. Put a good product on the field and people will go to games. It's really not about tOSU.Well no sh*t what sane person wouldn't rather play before packed houses of 100k every week and compete for national championships as opposed to some shit 70 year old stadium on the edge of town in front of about 5k? That was just an honest statement, can't fault him for that. -
I can only hope you were drunk when you wrote this. 10:11 AM is really never too early. Believe me, I've been there.Exactly what is the ACC league procedure for making sure their best teams lose the conference championship? Make sure there are not black helicopters around your home when you respond.I don't know if Butler would win the MAC tournament since anything can happen in a one and done situation, but they would be the best team in the league.The MAC is having a decent year while the Horizon is completely in the dumper.Wow, what a neat deal, reward Butler for failing in their conference tournament. Smell a rat? Itsan ancient ACC trick. Make sure the marginal team wins the conference tournament so the ACCgets maximum teams in. The Horizon has been just as guilty. Its called cheating.
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