Guest Guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 According to The insiders he is interested in the zips, but they don't have much information on him. They have him as a 3-star, but rivals has him as a 4 star and have more info on him, so heres the link for that. Really good size and speed. Marcus Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ***GUEST_rln*** Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Marcus Raines is ranked as the 5th best juco linebacker in the country by Collegefootballnews.com (see attached link): http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Re..._JUCOTop_LB.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Marcus Raines was a charged with manslaughter in the murder of a teammate. He initially comitted to Kansas State, but the school withdrew its offer to him once they got wind of the crime. That's why nobody has offered him. He's got the entire package at linebacker, but I'm not sure we really want him on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentZip Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Minor correction. He was CONVICTED of involuntary manslaughter and served one year in juvenile detention and two years in boot camp. He and two other high school teamates killed a man at a party. After another kid decked the victim, Marcus apparently kicked him while he was down. One of the other kids served his term and is starting at cornerback for Oregon. Chat room scuttlebutt says that Marcus is reformed. I say investigate him fully and give him a shot if the kid checks out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Minor correction. He was CONVICTED of involuntary manslaughter and served one year in juvenile detention and two years in boot camp. He and two other high school teamates killed a man at a party. After another kid decked the victim, Marcus apparently kicked him while he was down. One of the other kids served his term and is starting at cornerback for Oregon. Chat room scuttlebutt says that Marcus is reformed. I say investigate him fully and give him a shot if the kid checks out. I say we can win without him. Let him go to Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I say we can win without him. Let him go to Marshall. I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zff Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 My feelings were up in the air on this young man but then I read a quote from the court case and now I say no way. The Zips need to continue to bring in good charactor kids to this program. Just say no JD!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akron Hooper Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 If winning football games means recruiting criminals then we should just drop the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 My feelings were up in the air on this young man but then I read a quote from the court case and now I say no way. The Zips need to continue to bring in good charactor kids to this program. Just say no JD!!!! A couple years ago the Zips (hoops) rolled the dice on Hollingworth and Tarver...two guys with checkered backgrounds...and the results were terrible. Yes, they didn't do anything that landed them in the police blotter during their 2-year stay in Akron (at least that I know of). But the team chemistry with those guys was horrific. Look at this year's hoops squad. A bunch of "team" players who get along well. And we're rolling along great. Skip the Ray Williams' et al. It is possible to win with guys of character. And, it is very possible to lose with guys of suspect character but great stats (see analogy above). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OLDSCHOOLZIP Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Big recent article on Raines from cbssportsline.com.... Raines article It states that Marshall was one of the teams recruiting him before his past was made an issue by the media (no surprise there). I for one would be extremely upset with Brookhart if he compromised the integrity of our program and offered this thug. We've already got enough good young athletic linebackers that this is definately not worth the risk. If I were on the team I wouldn't want to be sharing a locker next to this guy. Don't do it JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I too am a little concerned about this kid. Faust used to bring in a lot of bad kids as well and it didn't work out for him. In the spirit of winning though, I say give him a chance and the first mistake he makes he goes away for good. There may be a difference between Faust and JD though. Faust was from Moeller and Notre Dame. Those two schools attract quality kids and Faust didn't have to deal with the bottom dwellers so he didn't know how to handle them. JD played in the NFL, coached in the NFL and coached at a "big time" program for several years coaching guys like A. Bryant. He has much more experience than Faust in dealing with this type of "me" guy. Maybe it will work out. Short leash though. I think the basketball analogy doesn't fit well with football though. Basketball only has 15 kids on the team and football has around 100. I'm sure not all the basketball players are friends with each other, but in a small group they are easier to control. It is too much to ask for all 100 kids on a football team to like each other. I'm sure that if you ask any player, they will say they have only about five or six player who they would call their good friends. Everyone is else is just some guy on the team who they may like but don't look at that guy as a friend. Keep your fingers crossed about this kid. I'm choosing to stick with optimism with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ***GUEST_Z.I.P.*** Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 A. Bill Snyder is a disgusting pig. He was perfectly willing to overlook whatever violations this young man committed -- until the heat at home got too hot to handle. Then he made up some pathetic story about the kid not filling him in completely on the case. I would hope Marcus goes somewhere where he can kick Can't State's ass. B. Put your trust in JD. We don't know what the relationship or recruiting situation is right now. But, if this young man isn't given a chance to advance himself in life because of a crime that he has paid his debt for (perhaps unlike the accomplice who had his slate cleaned by a judge so he could play for Oregon), then that is unjust. If coach Brookhart finds that this guy can represent the University of Akron appropriately, then all should give him the same chance they give anybody else. Pardon my idealism, but that's the way a democratic society works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zff Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 According to jcfootball.theinsiders.com message board, Akron has offered Marcus Raines. This is coming for the main MOD of this message board I would take this as the truth......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan37 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Leave him alone, there are enough criminals in Akron now, the U doesn't need to bring in more-- I believe in second chances but he is more Marshall material than Akron-- maybe with Can't's qb record he could finish his rehab there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDSCHOOLZIP Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 If Akron signs this guy I will be truely embarrassed to be supporting this team. We have enough good players where we don't need this thug. It's unfathomable to me why JD would sign this guy to take the spot of a good clean hard working kid like Brian Howe or Jay Rohr who have waited their turn to shine for the Zips. If we sign this guy, I may just not buy those season tickets I was planning on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akron Hooper Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Regardless of what a message board mod writes this kid is not coming to Akron, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 We have enough good players where we don't need this thug. It's unfathomable to me why JD would sign this guy to take the spot of a good clean hard working kid like Brian Howe or Jay Rohr who have waited their turn to shine for the Zips. Players do not deserve to play because they waited their turn. They deserve to play when they are the best players. Good clean hard working players get you 6-5 seasons, empty stadiums and overall apathy from the community and alumni. Great players who may or may not be a problem get you MAC Championships, bowl games, big crowds, community support, merchandise sales, alumni support, beer sales at the beer tent and donations. I certainly understand the desire for good kids on the team. We all want that. Let's just be realistic about what Akron needs to do to win. If that means taking a chance, then take a chance. There are 34,000 seats at the Rubber Bowl, let's start using as many of those as possible. I'm pretty certain that when Marshall, BGSU, Miami, NIU and Toledo fans are sitting around the bars at their bowl games they are not talking about the character of the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zff Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Hey Akron Hooper Please check my post. All I said was I read where Akron has offered Marcus Raines. In no way did I say he was coming. I am just posting what I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Skip him JD. What a distraction this would be. The Beacon would finally have something to write about. A negative story. I can see the story now "Lee Owens would have never recruited blah blah blah blah blah" I can't imagin JD would offer??? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I'm pretty certain that when Marshall, BGSU, Miami, NIU and Toledo fans are sitting around the bars at their bowl games they are not talking about the character of the players. Good for them. UA means something more to a lot of us. And for me, it means doing it the right way. Winning can be accomplished cleanly or the Columbus State way. UA can and should do it right. I can be patient. It's tough to say the others are on the same level as marshall .. but either way, let JD get this thing done correctly, so there's no question it's clean. It's a GOOD thing if the team is an example in the community .. not just an unexpected bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Personally I would rather Akron pass on Raines and Williams. JD knows if we get either one and they screw up, it blows up in his face. I also know that given what JD has done over the past year, he has earned my trust that he will do what is right for the program. Sometimes you don't deserve second chances and sometimes you do. From the limited amount I read about both cases, Raines and Williams deserve second chances somewhere. And I may have the facts wrong, but I worry more about Williams than Raines. I think Raines served 1 year in JD, 2 years in boot camp, and 2 yrs at JC. If he has been clean for 5 years, he is a good risk to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Good for them. UA means something more to a lot of us. And for me, it means doing it the right way. Winning can be accomplished cleanly or the Columbus State way. UA can and should do it right. I can be patient. It's tough to say the others are on the same level as marshall .. but either way, let JD get this thing done correctly, so there's no question it's clean. It's a GOOD thing if the team is an example in the community .. not just an unexpected bonus. Why wouldn't part of doing things the right way be taking a chance on a marginal player and keeping him on a short leash? I just think it is a basis risk vs. reward scenario for a lot of programs, including Akron. We are not OSU, USC, Notre Dame or any other bigh time schools with a big time reputation that attracts the best players. Under Owens, they took no risk on players and there were no rewards. Why not take the risk and manage the risk and see what the rewards will be? As far as being patient, are you freaking kidding me? U of A has been Division I since the late 80s. What have we ever won? NOTHING. It's time to take a chance and start winning. Marshall took a risk on Randy Moss and he wasn't a single problem while he was at the school. I'm not saying fill the team with thugs, just take a chance now and then and see where things pan out. The fifth best JUCO linebacker in the country might be a good place to take a chance. I doubt he will pull his pants down on family day at the athletic center. Long ago college football ceased being about building quality people and became a business. If we continue to hide our heads in the sand and pretend it is something other than what it really is, we are simply kidding ourselves. If we continue to think we can win with nice suburban kids getting good grades, trying hard and not scaring the other suburbanites who come to family day in their mini vans, we are further kidding ourselves. Let's get some guys that perform well, not try hard. We have seen enough of that as well. It's all about results on Saturday. As far as the other programs not being on the same level as Marshall, you are correct. BGSU, Toledo and Miami have gone to at least two straight bowl games each. They are actually at a higher level than Marshall right now. Zip Watcher, I know you are well intended in your beliefs. However, if the road to Hell is paved with good intensions, we will continue to be on the road we started on in the late 80s forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ***GUEST_Z.I.P.*** Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The consensus on Marcus Raines seems to be a comment along the line of: "I hope this kid gets a chance somewhere, but not in Akron". Marcus was convicted and served time for the same thing as AI and Moss. The key word is IN-voluntary manslaughter. The story is he was a good kid who got carried away ONE time in his life and paid the price. All signs are he's turned his life around. I can't help wondering if some folks wouldn't rather have an all-suburban team because of the ethnic quotient. Fine -- and have the same record as Can't State. You can have it, I'd rather take a gamble occasionally and have it pay off. If Marcus does in fact become a Zip and work out, it will be a huge feather in the hat of our program. That's the way coaches gain a reputation for doing good and as a result move up in their career paths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The consensus on Marcus Raines seems to be a comment along the line of: "I hope this kid gets a chance somewhere, but not in Akron". Marcus was convicted and served time for the same thing as AI and Moss. The key word is IN-voluntary manslaughter. The story is he was a good kid who got carried away ONE time in his life and paid the price. All signs are he's turned his life around. I can't help wondering if some folks wouldn't rather have an all-suburban team because of the ethnic quotient. Fine -- and have the same record as Can't State. You can have it, I'd rather take a gamble occasionally and have it pay off. If Marcus does in fact become a Zip and work out, it will be a huge feather in the hat of our program. That's the way coaches gain a reputation for doing good and as a result move up in their career paths. Excellent work Guest Z_I_P_!!!! You are correct on ALL counts!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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