mollautt Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 =>This is totally screwed up. The Zips are the only bowl eligible team not to make a bowl (or than those who backed out on purpose). The Zips, despite a #70 RPI and co-#2 record in the MAC, the Zips get the distinctive honor of being the #1 RPI team to be left out of the postseason after the NIT snub (other than those who backed out of purpose). My condolences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippy989 Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Our problem is reputation... It will take several years of near misses before we will overcome the poor reputation we have spent decades creating. Until we actually win it on the field or on the court, we will always be like the last kid picked for the dodgeball team. It's not fair but true. WMU and Can't State got NIT bids because of previous successes. Buffalo got one because the national press gushed all over them all season long. I doubt that we would have got an invite even had we defeated WMU and lost in the Semis to Buffalo.. maybe had we made the MACC game. We still have to prove we belong -- I think the Zips will go into football and basketball seasons next year with a lot of motivation to prove they belong. The MAC should be put on notice... Akron is a gimme no longer and is building toward something long-suffering Zips fans could only have dreamed about a few short years ago... Championships. As a fan and alum, I would like to thank JD and KD for all the hard work and fun and excitement they brought back to campus this past year. And MT for having the good sense to hire these guys. I can't believe I am gong to day this.. but I am really looking forward to this fall!! GO ZIPS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Our problem is reputation... I disagree. Our problem is losing pivotal games. Football: If we beat Miami, then got shunned by the bowls, I would agree with you. Basketball: If we beat WMU, but WMU gets the NIT bid, I would agree with you. Like Dambrot said (paraphrasing here): If you have your fate in your own hands and lose you have no one to blame but yourself. When we have the chance to control our own destiny...and we win...the rest takes care of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Morgan Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I doubt that we would have got an invite even had we defeated WMU and lost in the Semis to Buffalo I disagree, we would be in the NIT right now had we beat WMU. We would have a better record than them, but they beat us in the regular season, we're in the same conf., so there's no real difference between the two squads except for the tourney game. We win, we go to the NIT, thats my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I doubt that we would have got an invite even had we defeated WMU and lost in the Semis to Buffalo I disagree, we would be in the NIT right now had we beat WMU. We would have a better record than them, but they beat us in the regular season, we're in the same conf., so there's no real difference between the two squads except for the tourney game. We win, we go to the NIT, thats my take. In that scenario WMU would only have 18 wins, and the Zips have the "magic" 20 wins. Zips would have gone to the NIT. Woulda coulda shoulda... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Pouch Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Akron's record versus the last 2 MAC team in the NIT -- 0-4 There's just no argument. The NIT was not going to take 5 MAC teams As others said, we had our chance - we just didn't take care of business on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Morgan Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 On the other hand, Akron's record versus the only NCAA Tournament MAC team? 2-0 Maybe we should have been considered more closely for the NCAA rather than the NIT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan37 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Look back--=Clev St. few yurs back beat a poor Hoosier team and made a "Name" for themselves. Can't St. had an opportunity and made the best of it, W. Ky was a recent Sweet 18 team and all these wins led to a "Name" which NCAA/NIT people pay a lot of attention to--we will have to make our own name by winning some games. But all that said, there are teams in both that do nmot have the RPI that the Zips have/had. The press gushing about Buffalo has some validity so when we winn 22-25 games the press will gush about the Zips (not really, because the Broken Urnal won't gush, they'll flush). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 There is one reason why football AND basketball got snubbed. THE FANS! PERIOD! Both team overachieved, played well and won big games. Remember Akron vs. Marshall this year. That was one of the best games of the year. Unfortunately only 30% of the fans that went to the game were there for the end (that leaves about 5K people). It is embarrassing and reflects poorly on our ability to draw fans. THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT! Basketball, we went on a tear at the end of the season, won a big game against Miami. The University, athletic dept, coaches and players are doing their part. Heck, they are practically giving tickets away and nobody will go. Until people stop whatever they are doing, go to the Bowl or JAR we will not see any big schools come to Akron or postseason play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 There is one reason why football AND basketball got snubbed. THE FANS! PERIOD! Both team overachieved, played well and won big games. Remember Akron vs. Marshall this year. That was one of the best games of the year. Unfortunately only 30% of the fans that went to the game were there for the end (that leaves about 5K people). It is embarrassing and reflects poorly on our ability to draw fans. THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT! Basketball, we went on a tear at the end of the season, won a big game against Miami. The University, athletic dept, coaches and players are doing their part. Heck, they are practically giving tickets away and nobody will go. Until people stop whatever they are doing, go to the Bowl or JAR we will not see any big schools come to Akron or postseason play. Can't argue with that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Can't argue with that..... I can. I disagree. We've won NOTHING. Where are the MAC championship banners? Nowhere? Where are the Bowl trophies? Nowhere. Where are the big OOC victories in football and basketball? Nowhere. Where are the 9+ win football and 22+ win basketball seasons? Nowhere. We haven't won squat in comparison to just about anyone in the MAC since we've entered the conference. We beat Marshall during the football regular season. Six of the 12 teams Marshall played this year beat them. We beat Miami during the basketball regular season. So did woeful Marshall. Big fat hairy deal. "We went on a tear at the end of the basketball season"? confused.gif We choked-away the MAC title at season's end losing two of our last three. One of those losses was to our rival, and local hoops measuring stick, Can't (for the second time, I might add). Some "tear." rolleyes.gif Then we bowed-out in the MAC quarterfinals...woo hoo. I was in Can't 7 years ago when we beat them in hoops for the first time in 31 years (in Can't). Us Akron fans sat in the Can't student section behind a hoop. There were plenty of empty seats. That game drew about 3,000 fans. 2,000 were Akron fans...it was like a home game. It was that year that Can't began their "run", winning 20 games for the first of what's now 7 consecutive years. Now Can't gets 5,000 of their OWN fans at most home games. And they've done that for about 6 straight years. How did Can't go from 1,500 fans to 5,000 fans? It wasn't by winning a few regular season games. It was by winning 20+, by consistently winning in the MAC tourney, by winning in the NIT, then winning in the NCAA's. THAT'S what draws fans to games. That combination of a winning tradition and a fan base is what gets you an NIT bid. If you really think that fans should be flocking in to see the Zips because they are simply competitive...you're nuts. I'll be at games...the rest of the guys on this board will be at games...but you aren't going to pack the house in football or basketball until you win championships. Personally, I feel we have the coaching staffs in-place to win championships, but almost two decades of football and basketball futility...essentially a generation...cannot be overcome with 6 or 7-win football and 19-win basketball seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Can't argue with that..... I can. I disagree. We've won NOTHING. Where are the MAC championship banners? Nowhere? Where are the Bowl trophies? Nowhere. Where are the big OOC victories in football and basketball? Nowhere. Where are the 9+ win football and 22+ win basketball seasons? Nowhere. We haven't won squat in comparison to just about anyone in the MAC since we've entered the conference. We beat Marshall during the football regular season. Six of the 12 teams Marshall played this year beat them. We beat Miami during the basketball regular season. So did woeful Marshall. Big fat hairy deal. "We went on a tear at the end of the basketball season"? confused.gif We choked-away the MAC title at season's end losing two of our last three. One of those losses was to our rival, and local hoops measuring stick, Can't (for the second time, I might add). Some "tear." rolleyes.gif Then we bowed-out in the MAC quarterfinals...woo hoo. I was in Can't 7 years ago when we beat them in hoops for the first time in 31 years (in Can't). Us Akron fans sat in the Can't student section behind a hoop. There were plenty of empty seats. That game drew about 3,000 fans. 2,000 were Akron fans...it was like a home game. It was that year that Can't began their "run", winning 20 games for the first of what's now 7 consecutive years. Now Can't gets 5,000 of their OWN fans at most home games. And they've done that for about 6 straight years. How did Can't go from 1,500 fans to 5,000 fans? It wasn't by winning a few regular season games. It was by winning 20+, by consistently winning in the MAC tourney, by winning in the NIT, then winning in the NCAA's. THAT'S what draws fans to games. That combination of a winning tradition and a fan base is what gets you an NIT bid. If you really think that fans should be flocking in to see the Zips because they are simply competitive...you're nuts. I'll be at games...the rest of the guys on this board will be at games...but you aren't going to pack the house in football or basketball until you win championships. Personally, I feel we have the coaching staffs in-place to win championships, but almost two decades of football and basketball futility...essentially a generation...cannot be overcome with 6 or 7-win football and 19-win basketball seasons. Can't argue with that either...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Two additional note I'll add to this topic: 1.) The Zips did exhibit a marked improvement in both hoops and football attendance. I hear hoops actually made a profit, and there were more football fans at the Rubber Bowl than I've seen in years. Yes, football gave away a lot of tickets. So what...it got people out to the Bowl. I think a lot of them will return next season, even if they have to pay a few bucks. 2.) As quite a few in the Zips Nation stated at the Gund last week: How the hell did Buffalo get such a fan following? I'd love to know, because 3 years ago they played to an empty home hoops arena...now they bring 4,000 to the Gund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsbandman Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Two additional note I'll add to this topic: 1.) The Zips did exhibit a marked improvement in both hoops and football attendance. I hear hoops actually made a profit, and there were more football fans at the Rubber Bowl than I've seen in years. Yes, football gave away a lot of tickets. So what...it got people out to the Bowl. I think a lot of them will return next season, even if they have to pay a few bucks. 2.) As quite a few in the Zips Nation stated at the Gund last week: How the hell did Buffalo get such a fan following? I'd love to know, because 3 years ago they played to an empty home hoops arena...now they bring 4,000 to the Gund. Winning will do that for you. That will be Akron in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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