I smell jealousy

[jupitertoo]

Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

Yup. That was a very misleading statement from your brother. Miami doesn't even have a college of engineering. They only offer certain degrees in some sort of paper engineering that you mentioned. The reality is that BG and Can't don't have a college of Engineering, and OU's COE is practically non-existent(as you pointed out). I'm sure 90 million will certainly help their cause, but they still will have a LOT of catching up to do.Frankly, the only Ohio MAC schools that have Engineering that are worth a damn would be Akron and Toledo.

That's just absolutely hilarious. 1,600 undergraduates in the Ohio COE and 290 graduate students. 79 faculty members (full time) -- Akron has 64.Job placement rate in the top 89% among schools nationally.

Those numbers of undergraduates and graduate students just kinda makes the statement "never see any" even more sad for you. there are all these students yet non of them seem to make it outside of college. I'm sure their are a few but face it if other top COE's haven't heard of you and actual engineers themselves haven't heard of you then there’s probably something wrong that you'll need far more than 90mill to fix

You are delusional. First, you call yourselves a "top engineering program." You're not even listed in the top 100, dude. Job placement -- top 89% nationally among engineering schools.Just go back to your tire mold project and have fun. OU grads are working at NASA, leading pharmaceutical and biotech firms, etc.Bye.

[zipseuph]

Bye.

Don't let the door hit ya

[Zipsrifle]

Finally, as a related note, a few years ago when my Brother was graduating from Miami, he mentioned how they had one of the top Engineering programs in the country. Reading through the graduation program, I noted all TWO of their Engineering Graduates in "Paper Engineering".

Yup. That was a very misleading statement from your brother. Miami doesn't even have a college of engineering. They only offer certain degrees in some sort of paper engineering that you mentioned. The reality is that BG and Can't don't have a college of Engineering, and OU's COE is practically non-existent(as you pointed out). I'm sure 90 million will certainly help their cause, but they still will have a LOT of catching up to do.Frankly, the only Ohio MAC schools that have Engineering that are worth a damn would be Akron and Toledo.

That's just absolutely hilarious. 1,600 undergraduates in the Ohio COE and 290 graduate students. 79 faculty members (full time) -- Akron has 64.Job placement rate in the top 89% among schools nationally.

Those numbers of undergraduates and graduate students just kinda makes the statement "never see any" even more sad for you. there are all these students yet non of them seem to make it outside of college. I'm sure their are a few but face it if other top COE's haven't heard of you and actual engineers themselves haven't heard of you then there’s probably something wrong that you'll need far more than 90mill to fix

You are delusional. First, you call yourselves a "top engineering program." You're not even listed in the top 100, dude. Job placement -- top 89% nationally among engineering schools.Just go back to your tire mold project and have fun. OU grads are working at NASA, leading pharmaceutical and biotech firms, etc.Bye.

Those are nice numbers you are throwing around but you know what, I'm still looking for an OU Engineering grad. Nice tire mold comment too. You know what you do with a tire when you are done? You test it! Maybe on something like the Formula SAE race car competition where 120 of the top engineering schools across the WORLD compete to see who can build the best race car. You know, I don't see OU on the list....having a hard time finding Akron.....oh, there it is, near the top at #10. Wow, another top 10 finish for the Zips! http://www.sae.org/images/cds/selfservice/...2009results.xlsAnd speaking of aeronautics, lets see what happened in the SAE Aero Design Competition. Again.....not seeing OU anywhere but look, Akron won the Micro class in both the East and West competitions. Way to go Zips! You know, I think NASA might look for students with such a good grasp of aeronautics.http://www.sae.org/servlets/pressRoom?OBJE...;RELEASE_ID=972And how about those 4 medals in the International Robogames the Zips brought home!http://www.uakron.edu/im/online-newsroom/p...0at%20RoboGamesYep, I feel sorry for those poor souls getting an Engineering Degree from low ranked UA! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my quest for Bigfoot!

[Class of 82]

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/t...ID=6&page=1This is so funny. I still don't get the whole academic superiority thing.

Look at any of the academic rankings lately? The new U.S. News & World Report places Akron in the lowest category ("Tier 4") and Ohio in Tier 1. Do you "get" that?

Hey cat-breath,Yeah. I've seen the "rankings." And they are utter bullsh*t.Open-enrollment institutions will always be ranked low, because the "rankings" punish public institutions who offer a chance at a college education to everyone. The rankings say nothing instructive about the quality of education at Akron, or any other university that offers open enrollment.

[zipseuph]

I think the admins took jupiter out back and shot him not only is jupiter no longer a member of our solar system he is also kicked out of ZN.ORG. you have to be something special to accomplish that

[Dr Z]

OU grads are working at NASA, leading pharmaceutical and biotech firms, etc.

Don't forget about announcing Zips football and basketball games on the radio. That's the most important thing they do.

[Zipmeister]

To answer your criticism of the ranking methodologies, US News asked high school counselors to rank schools. Among "National Universities," Ohio ranked 89. Akron ranked 248, in a tie with Cleveland State. Bottom ranking was 260.

Because high school guidance counselors are the best metric of Universities. That's a new one. Points for creativity sir. :rolleyes:

What is a good metric? So far you have rejected: US News, Carnegie Foundation and High School counselors with college placement responsibility. I'm sure Akron would rank high on, say, a listing of plasma sales by students? Most empty seats at sporting events? Least full-time faculty? Most parking garages? Least parking spaces per enrolled student? Most NCAA violations for a single b-ball coach? Least football recruits to return after freshman year?(Psst. I've taught classes there -- and I don't have a teaching degree.)

I'm guessing then that the course you taught was not in the Education school because those are the only faculty on any campus that might have a teaching degree.

[jupitertoo]

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.1. OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COLUMBUS OH Public 6,094 25.6 2. MIAMI UNIVERSITY OH Public 5,657 23.8 3. UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OH Public 4,775 20.1 4. OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS OH Public 2,819 11.9 5. Can't STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,773 11.7 6. UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON OH Public 2,519 10.6 7. BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,174 9.1 8. CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,846 7.8 9. UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO OH Public 1,828 7.7 10. UNIVERSITY OF AKRON OH Private 1,828 7.7 11. XAVIER UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,639 6.9 12. WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY DAYTON IN Public 1,502 6.3 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR IN Public 1,181 5.0 PURDUE UNIVERSITY WEST LAFAYETTE IL Private 1,121 4.7 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY IN Public 1,105 4.7 INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON KY Public 1,078 4.5 UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY LEXINGTON OH Public 938 3.9 CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 934 3.9 MIDWEST ACADEMIC TALENT SEARCH NY Private 925 3.9 CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH Private 861 3.6 JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY OH Private 835 3.5 OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY KY Public 816 3.4 NORTHERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY IN Private 786 3.3 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME MA Private 781 3.3 HARVARD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OH Private 780 3.3 BALDWIN-WALLACE COLLEGE IL Private 766 3.2 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY CHICAGO NY Private 741 3.1 NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 734 3.1 NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM MO Private 670 2.8 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY PA Private 654 2.8 CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY NC Private 641 2.7 DUKE UNIVERSITY TN Private 618 2.6 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY OH Private 617 2.6 OTTERBEIN COLLEGE CT Private 616 2.6 YALE UNIVERSITY PA Public 616 2.6 PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 587 2.5 DENISON UNIVERSITY NJ Private 570 2.4 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY CA Private 570 2.4 STANFORD UNIVERSITY OH Scholarship 566 2.4 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIFTED PROG OH Private 553 2.3 CAPITAL UNIVERSITY MA Private 552 2.3 BOSTON UNIVERSITY DC Private 534 2.2 GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY OH Private 529 2.2 OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY

[zipseuph]

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.1. OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COLUMBUS OH Public 6,094 25.6 2. MIAMI UNIVERSITY OH Public 5,657 23.8 3. UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OH Public 4,775 20.1 4. OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS OH Public 2,819 11.9 5. Can't STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,773 11.7 6. UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON OH Public 2,519 10.6 7. BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,174 9.1 8. CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,846 7.8 9. UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO OH Public 1,828 7.7 10. UNIVERSITY OF AKRON OH Private 1,828 7.7 11. XAVIER UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,639 6.9 12. WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY DAYTON IN Public 1,502 6.3 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR IN Public 1,181 5.0 PURDUE UNIVERSITY WEST LAFAYETTE IL Private 1,121 4.7 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY IN Public 1,105 4.7 INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON KY Public 1,078 4.5 UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY LEXINGTON OH Public 938 3.9 CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 934 3.9 MIDWEST ACADEMIC TALENT SEARCH NY Private 925 3.9 CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH Private 861 3.6 JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY OH Private 835 3.5 OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY KY Public 816 3.4 NORTHERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY IN Private 786 3.3 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME MA Private 781 3.3 HARVARD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OH Private 780 3.3 BALDWIN-WALLACE COLLEGE IL Private 766 3.2 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY CHICAGO NY Private 741 3.1 NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 734 3.1 NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM MO Private 670 2.8 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY PA Private 654 2.8 CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY NC Private 641 2.7 DUKE UNIVERSITY TN Private 618 2.6 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY OH Private 617 2.6 OTTERBEIN COLLEGE CT Private 616 2.6 YALE UNIVERSITY PA Public 616 2.6 PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 587 2.5 DENISON UNIVERSITY NJ Private 570 2.4 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY CA Private 570 2.4 STANFORD UNIVERSITY OH Scholarship 566 2.4 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIFTED PROG OH Private 553 2.3 CAPITAL UNIVERSITY MA Private 552 2.3 BOSTON UNIVERSITY DC Private 534 2.2 GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY OH Private 529 2.2 OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY

well given that akron and ohio are both ranked over HARVARD I'm gonna say yeah it's kinda meaningless.

[ZippyTuba11]

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.

That must be why so many new students are choosing OU over UA....oh wait, they're not. OU attendance only increased 132 students, while Akron increased 1,127, and is third in Headcount growth behind tOSU and Cincinnati (this is based off last year. The Ohio Board has not released this year's totals.)Also:UA's College of Polymer Science and Polymer Engineering is currently ranked second in the nation by the magazine. The University of Akron is the only university in Ohio with a science and engineering program ranked in the top five nationally by U.S. News.The I/O Psychology Program is also ranked 6th nationally. I could go on, but I won't.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Oh my GAWD what an incredible douche bag you are. Ohio ranks high on that list because that's where douchey kids who want to get away to the woods, away from mommy and daddy, to PARTY their little asses off, want to go. Ohio is a party school, you fool. I didn't comment on your idiotic posts before and thought you had simply slimed away the way most trolls do. But NO, you keep coming back. Here's some news for you: NOBODY CARES ABOUT OHIO. OHIO UNIVERSITY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING NOWHERE ON THE EDGE OF GOD-FORSAKEN APPALACHIA. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF OHIO U THEY THINK OF DRINKING THEIR BALLS OFF IN THE WOODS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. You half wit.Three states away from here you will find that nobody even knows your alma mater exists. Literally. Go to either coast and mention Ohio U and you will get a completely blank stare, or an "I haven't heard of that school", or "you mean Ohio State?"Pathetic piece of garbage. Go away.STZ

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.1. OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COLUMBUS OH Public 6,094 25.6 2. MIAMI UNIVERSITY OH Public 5,657 23.8 3. UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OH Public 4,775 20.1 4. OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS OH Public 2,819 11.9 5. Can't STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,773 11.7 6. UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON OH Public 2,519 10.6 7. BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,174 9.1 8. CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,846 7.8 9. UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO OH Public 1,828 7.7 10. UNIVERSITY OF AKRON OH Private 1,828 7.7 11. XAVIER UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,639 6.9 12. WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY DAYTON IN Public 1,502 6.3 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR IN Public 1,181 5.0 PURDUE UNIVERSITY WEST LAFAYETTE IL Private 1,121 4.7 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY IN Public 1,105 4.7 INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON KY Public 1,078 4.5 UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY LEXINGTON OH Public 938 3.9 CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 934 3.9 MIDWEST ACADEMIC TALENT SEARCH NY Private 925 3.9 CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH Private 861 3.6 JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY OH Private 835 3.5 OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY KY Public 816 3.4 NORTHERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY IN Private 786 3.3 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME MA Private 781 3.3 HARVARD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OH Private 780 3.3 BALDWIN-WALLACE COLLEGE IL Private 766 3.2 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY CHICAGO NY Private 741 3.1 NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 734 3.1 NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM MO Private 670 2.8 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY PA Private 654 2.8 CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY NC Private 641 2.7 DUKE UNIVERSITY TN Private 618 2.6 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY OH Private 617 2.6 OTTERBEIN COLLEGE CT Private 616 2.6 YALE UNIVERSITY PA Public 616 2.6 PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 587 2.5 DENISON UNIVERSITY NJ Private 570 2.4 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY CA Private 570 2.4 STANFORD UNIVERSITY OH Scholarship 566 2.4 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIFTED PROG OH Private 553 2.3 CAPITAL UNIVERSITY MA Private 552 2.3 BOSTON UNIVERSITY DC Private 534 2.2 GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY OH Private 529 2.2 OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY

[jupitertoo]

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.

That must be why so many new students are choosing OU over UA....oh wait, they're not. OU attendance only increased 132 students, while Akron increased 1,127, and is third in Headcount growth behind tOSU and Cincinnati (this is based off last year. The Ohio Board has not released this year's totals.)Also:UA's College of Polymer Science and Polymer Engineering is currently ranked second in the nation by the magazine. The University of Akron is the only university in Ohio with a science and engineering program ranked in the top five nationally by U.S. News.The I/O Psychology Program is also ranked 6th nationally. I could go on, but I won't.

You realize that as an open enrollment school, you accept anyone with a pulse, right? OU capped its freshman class last year to control growth. Additionally, as you no doubt are aware, the economy tanked and parents pulled their kids out of residential schools to cut costs. OU doesn't accept you based on the existence of a pulse. They had over 14,000 applications for the freshman class last year. Please, by the way, show me US News' ranking of UA polymer science in top 5 nationally. That claim comes straight from Proenza's old TV commercial and he has stopped making that claim.Akron also counts its "Summit College" community college numbers, so it's even less impressive. US News ranks U of A 248th of 260 universities in overall academics.

[lance99]

Oh my GAWD what an incredible douche bag you are. Ohio ranks high on that list because that's where douchey kids who want to get away to the woods, away from mommy and daddy, to PARTY their little asses off, want to go. Ohio is a party school, you fool. I didn't comment on your idiotic posts before and thought you had simply slimed away the way most trolls do. But NO, you keep coming back. Here's some news for you: NOBODY CARES ABOUT OHIO. OHIO UNIVERSITY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING NOWHERE ON THE EDGE OF GOD-FORSAKEN APPALACHIA. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF OHIO U THEY THINK OF DRINKING THEIR BALLS OFF IN THE WOODS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. You half wit.Three states away from here you will find that nobody even knows your alma mater exists. Literally. Go to either coast and mention Ohio U and you will get a completely blank stare, or an "I haven't heard of that school", or "you mean Ohio State?"Pathetic piece of garbage. Go away.STZ

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.1. OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COLUMBUS OH Public 6,094 25.6 2. MIAMI UNIVERSITY OH Public 5,657 23.8 3. UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OH Public 4,775 20.1 4. OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS OH Public 2,819 11.9 5. Can't STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,773 11.7 6. UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON OH Public 2,519 10.6 7. BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,174 9.1 8. CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,846 7.8 9. UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO OH Public 1,828 7.7 10. UNIVERSITY OF AKRON OH Private 1,828 7.7 11. XAVIER UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,639 6.9 12. WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY DAYTON IN Public 1,502 6.3 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR IN Public 1,181 5.0 PURDUE UNIVERSITY WEST LAFAYETTE IL Private 1,121 4.7 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY IN Public 1,105 4.7 INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON KY Public 1,078 4.5 UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY LEXINGTON OH Public 938 3.9 CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 934 3.9 MIDWEST ACADEMIC TALENT SEARCH NY Private 925 3.9 CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH Private 861 3.6 JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY OH Private 835 3.5 OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY KY Public 816 3.4 NORTHERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY IN Private 786 3.3 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME MA Private 781 3.3 HARVARD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OH Private 780 3.3 BALDWIN-WALLACE COLLEGE IL Private 766 3.2 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY CHICAGO NY Private 741 3.1 NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 734 3.1 NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM MO Private 670 2.8 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY PA Private 654 2.8 CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY NC Private 641 2.7 DUKE UNIVERSITY TN Private 618 2.6 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY OH Private 617 2.6 OTTERBEIN COLLEGE CT Private 616 2.6 YALE UNIVERSITY PA Public 616 2.6 PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 587 2.5 DENISON UNIVERSITY NJ Private 570 2.4 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY CA Private 570 2.4 STANFORD UNIVERSITY OH Scholarship 566 2.4 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIFTED PROG OH Private 553 2.3 CAPITAL UNIVERSITY MA Private 552 2.3 BOSTON UNIVERSITY DC Private 534 2.2 GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY OH Private 529 2.2 OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY

I forgot that OU was a top 10 party school every year http://campuslife.suite101.com/article.cfm...ls_for_20092010

[ksu sucks]

Oh my GAWD what an incredible douche bag you are. Ohio ranks high on that list because that's where douchey kids who want to get away to the woods, away from mommy and daddy, to PARTY their little asses off, want to go. Ohio is a party school, you fool. I didn't comment on your idiotic posts before and thought you had simply slimed away the way most trolls do. But NO, you keep coming back. Here's some news for you: NOBODY CARES ABOUT OHIO. OHIO UNIVERSITY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING NOWHERE ON THE EDGE OF GOD-FORSAKEN APPALACHIA. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF OHIO U THEY THINK OF DRINKING THEIR BALLS OFF IN THE WOODS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. You half wit.Three states away from here you will find that nobody even knows your alma mater exists. Literally. Go to either coast and mention Ohio U and you will get a completely blank stare, or an "I haven't heard of that school", or "you mean Ohio State?"Pathetic piece of garbage. Go away.STZ

Thanks for making my night.

[Zipsrifle]

Oh my GAWD what an incredible douche bag you are. Ohio ranks high on that list because that's where douchey kids who want to get away to the woods, away from mommy and daddy, to PARTY their little asses off, want to go. Ohio is a party school, you fool. I didn't comment on your idiotic posts before and thought you had simply slimed away the way most trolls do. But NO, you keep coming back. Here's some news for you: NOBODY CARES ABOUT OHIO. OHIO UNIVERSITY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING NOWHERE ON THE EDGE OF GOD-FORSAKEN APPALACHIA. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF OHIO U THEY THINK OF DRINKING THEIR BALLS OFF IN THE WOODS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. You half wit.Three states away from here you will find that nobody even knows your alma mater exists. Literally. Go to either coast and mention Ohio U and you will get a completely blank stare, or an "I haven't heard of that school", or "you mean Ohio State?"Pathetic piece of garbage. Go away.STZ

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.1. OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY COLUMBUS OH Public 6,094 25.6 2. MIAMI UNIVERSITY OH Public 5,657 23.8 3. UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI OH Public 4,775 20.1 4. OHIO UNIVERSITY ATHENS OH Public 2,819 11.9 5. Can't STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,773 11.7 6. UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON OH Public 2,519 10.6 7. BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 2,174 9.1 8. CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,846 7.8 9. UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO OH Public 1,828 7.7 10. UNIVERSITY OF AKRON OH Private 1,828 7.7 11. XAVIER UNIVERSITY OH Public 1,639 6.9 12. WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY DAYTON IN Public 1,502 6.3 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR IN Public 1,181 5.0 PURDUE UNIVERSITY WEST LAFAYETTE IL Private 1,121 4.7 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY IN Public 1,105 4.7 INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON KY Public 1,078 4.5 UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY LEXINGTON OH Public 938 3.9 CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 934 3.9 MIDWEST ACADEMIC TALENT SEARCH NY Private 925 3.9 CORNELL UNIVERSITY OH Private 861 3.6 JOHN CARROLL UNIVERSITY OH Private 835 3.5 OHIO NORTHERN UNIVERSITY KY Public 816 3.4 NORTHERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY IN Private 786 3.3 UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME MA Private 781 3.3 HARVARD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OH Private 780 3.3 BALDWIN-WALLACE COLLEGE IL Private 766 3.2 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY CHICAGO NY Private 741 3.1 NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IL Scholarship 734 3.1 NATIONAL MERIT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM MO Private 670 2.8 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY PA Private 654 2.8 CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY NC Private 641 2.7 DUKE UNIVERSITY TN Private 618 2.6 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY OH Private 617 2.6 OTTERBEIN COLLEGE CT Private 616 2.6 YALE UNIVERSITY PA Public 616 2.6 PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY OH Private 587 2.5 DENISON UNIVERSITY NJ Private 570 2.4 PRINCETON UNIVERSITY CA Private 570 2.4 STANFORD UNIVERSITY OH Scholarship 566 2.4 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIFTED PROG OH Private 553 2.3 CAPITAL UNIVERSITY MA Private 552 2.3 BOSTON UNIVERSITY DC Private 534 2.2 GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY OH Private 529 2.2 OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY

Has to be one of the funniest posts of the year!!!!Where did he get this info? www.meaninglesscollegerankings.com?Oh, by the way, did you know that Akron was ranked 27th nationally by Ohio high school Juniors who when polled were drunk, riding on a tractor as it chugged through a corn field at night in a hailstorm in January when their Mom was out of town? On the other hand, OU was ranked 1st by 16 year old hillbillies living in a cabin on the edge of a cliff in WV who were sitting in a rocking chair on their front porch with a gun in their left hand and a dog 13" from their right foot while reading US News and World Reports? We've got to keep this in mind for this discussion!

[tbozeglav]

jupitertoo,THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT! I never knew I was going to such a pathetic school! All this time I thought the campus improvements were a reflection of the academics that the university provides, but you came and saved the day! As I speak I am putting the papers together to make my transfer over to OU as you have undoubtedly shown that OU is the place to be for academics! Screw athletics and all that hoopla, I wanna go to a school thats ranked high on countless lists that have absolutely nothing to do with intangibles of a college.I truly appreciate the service you have provided me. Without your help... I may have graduated from UA with a degree in CIS, only to realize it is worth nothing compared to the prestige and pedigree of an OU degree!Sincerely, UA Student Who Couldn't Care Less What You Have to Say

[Class of 82]

Thought you would fine this interesting. Maybe, like the US News study, you'll will say it's meaningless. This is the latest College Board report on Ohio high school juniors who specified a school of interest prior to taking their ACT. Ohio ranked 4th. Akron 10th. In fact, Akron was lowest of all the MAC schools in Ohio.

Ummm... so what? I mean, seriously. I can't think of a more irrelevant statistic.But look. All of these rankings are little more than a measure of perceptions about various schools, with a built-in bias against public universities that have open enrollment. They also are a great way to sell magazines.The sad thing, truly, is that there are educated people who actually buy into this sort of statistical hocus-pocus masquerading as some sort of legitimate measure of quality. But then, the way the science of statistics has come to be routinely and purposefully butchered by people who know-- or ought to know-- better is one of the real tragedies of modern America.All I can tell you is that the quality of education available to undergraduate and graduate students at Akron is quite high, and certainly the equal to what can be had at OU. I know, because when I attended graduate school at a "Tier-1" university in California, I was as well prepared as my peers who had not come from lowly Akron. In quite a few cases, I was better prepared.Education is largely what you, as a student, want to make of it. And that's true no matter what school you attend.

[ZippyTuba11]

You realize that as an open enrollment school, you accept anyone with a pulse, right? OU capped its freshman class last year to control growth. Additionally, as you no doubt are aware, the economy tanked and parents pulled their kids out of residential schools to cut costs. OU doesn't accept you based on the existence of a pulse. They had over 14,000 applications for the freshman class last year. Please, by the way, show me US News' ranking of UA polymer science in top 5 nationally. That claim comes straight from Proenza's old TV commercial and he has stopped making that claim.Akron also counts its "Summit College" community college numbers, so it's even less impressive. US News ranks U of A 248th of 260 universities in overall academics.

I find it funny you ask for links for info when you don't give any for yours. But I'll humor your hypocrisy.US News is pay-to-see the rankings, but I'll give you a few non-university-affiliated links http://www.indeed.com/cmp/University-of-Akronhttp://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-117527282.htmlhttp://www.collegebound.net/college-univer...niversity/3102/etcAnd no, Akron does not count "Summit College" numbers. The totals were for MAIN CAMPUS ONLY.

[Dr Z]

Jupitertoo, I am amazed at how bored you must be to come on to an Akron Zips message board an argue OU's academic rankings. I have to say that you have peaked my curiosity, what degree did you graduate with at OU, and what are you doing with that degree? Please enlighten us humble Akron alumni.

[jupitertoo]

Jupitertoo, I am amazed at how bored you must be to come on to an Akron Zips message board an argue OU's academic rankings. I have to say that you have peaked my curiosity, what degree did you graduate with at OU, and what are you doing with that degree? Please enlighten us humble Akron alumni.

Be happy to answer your question. I graduated with a dual major in journalism and communication technology. I own a mid-size publishing firm. Founded 12 years ago, very successful. We handle conventional print as well as electronic media, primarily in the high-technology markets. Eleven employees. I do quite well and donate quite generously to my alma mater.I'll tell you a story. When I was a junior at OU, I was badly injured one quarter and was forced to leave mid-term to recuperate at home in the Akron area. At the time of my injury, I was taking an advanced composition course and, unfortunately, had to drop it about two-thirds through the term. My professor was Daniel Keyes, author of the award-winning novel "Flowers for Algernon."After recuperating, I decided to pick up a couple of classes at Akron to help make up the lost hours before heading back to Athens in the fall. I enrolled in essentially the same course, advanced composition, and was surprised to discover that the "professor" was a part-time instructor who had been my 10th grade English teacher at East High School. Imagine my surprise...and disappointment. The instructor told me not even to bother showing up to class; the rest of the students were high school-caliber writers, at best. I got an "A." Akron continues to lead all Ohio four-year universities in using not only untenured faculty, but "adjunct" faculty who may or may not have any teaching skill. Believe me, I know: I have taught several communication courses there over the years.I ask you, where are you getting a better value -- at a school at which 70% of your courses are taught by tenured faculty (OU), or 37% (Akron). Those are Ohio Board of Regents numbers, by the way.This whole thread got started when an Akron fan said something about Ohio not having an academic edge over Akron. I've offered plenty of measurable evidence, and about all you can come back with is, "OU's a party school." And on that subject, well, yes, it is a hell of a lot of fun to go to school there -- and the weekends can be very enjoyable. But let's face it, have you ever spent a weekend on High Street in Columbus? It's not really even close. Nonetheless, OU fans are very fond of their alma mater and it's a special experience to go there. I'm sure you feel the same about Akron.As to what those academic metrics were, I summarize:* Average test score of incoming freshman (OU significantly higher)* Acceptance rate (OU lower)* Number of applications received annually (OU 2X that of Akron)* Number of tenured faculty (not even close -- OU higher)* Number of tenured engineering faculty (OU higher)* Job placement rate by four and five-year graduates (OU significantly higher, per Board of Regents)* Endowment (OU 5X higher)* Research budget (OU higher)* Graduate students (OU higher)* University budget (OU significantly higher, in spite of Akron's higher enrollment)* U.S. News results -- OU Tier I, Akron Tier IV. One other point. Remember my question about showing proof that Akron's Polymer Science School was still ranked in the top 5? You provided a published statement from the university that appeared on the summary page of the U.S. News site. Read the statement very carefully: It reads, "U.S. News ranked (past tense) the Polymer Science school in the top 5 nationally." I'm in the publishing and advertising biz -- I can parse words with the best of them. Fact is, Akron's program hasn't been ranked in the top 5 for several years, probably due to the fact that much larger, better funded universities have added programs in the interim. I don't mean that as a criticism -- it's just that you threw out polymer science as an example of Akron's engineering school superiority over Ohio, when, in fact, neither school is ranked in the top 100 nationwide. On a head-to-head basis, I'll give you polymer sciences, since we don't offer it, but we win in biotechnology, where OU is one of the Edison Centers of Excellence.I'll go away now. I promise. But please know there is absolutely no jealousy about your new football stadium. It's about time you got one.

[Sergeant Zip]

I ask you, where are you getting a better value -- at a school at which 70% of your courses are taught by tenured faculty (OU), or 37% (Akron). Those are Ohio Board of Regents numbers, by the way.

In all seriousness, congratulations on you success as a business owner. That is no easy task.Instruction by Faculty Report Fall 2006University Main CampusesOhio University / Fall 2006 / 64%University of Akron / Fall 2006 / 49%You were a little off... or are priviy to data that we aren't.I find it interesting that you rip the quality of UofA instructors and then say that you are/were one. What does that say about yourself?Good luck helping students write resumés and business letters in your communications class.

[MaxZIP]

I ask you, where are you getting a better value -- at a school at which 70% of your courses are taught by tenured faculty (OU), or 37% (Akron). Those are Ohio Board of Regents numbers, by the way.

In all seriousness, congratulations on you success as a business owner. That is no easy task.Instruction by Faculty Report Fall 2006University Main CampusesOhio University / Fall 2006 / 64%University of Akron / Fall 2006 / 49%You were a little off... or are priviy to data that we aren't.I find it interesting that you rip the quality of UofA instructors and then say that you are/were one. What does that say about yourself?Good luck helping students write resumés and business letters in your communications class.

Ohio State University 43% 42% 42% 45%(2006)OSU is ranked much higher than OU with fewer full-time faculty...might The OSU bring in specialists working in the industry? Part-time faculty may enrich the educational experience.

[ksu sucks]

Good luck helping students write resumés and business letters in your communications class.

That's just it. Communications. Really? I guarantee the part-time percentages are much lower for the engineering college. That's not something any dolt could teach.

[jupitertoo]

I ask you, where are you getting a better value -- at a school at which 70% of your courses are taught by tenured faculty (OU), or 37% (Akron). Those are Ohio Board of Regents numbers, by the way.

In all seriousness, congratulations on you success as a business owner. That is no easy task.Instruction by Faculty Report Fall 2006University Main CampusesOhio University / Fall 2006 / 64%University of Akron / Fall 2006 / 49%You were a little off... or are priviy to data that we aren't.I find it interesting that you rip the quality of UofA instructors and then say that you are/were one. What does that say about yourself?Good luck helping students write resumés and business letters in your communications class.

Ohio State University 43% 42% 42% 45%(2006)OSU is ranked much higher than OU with fewer full-time faculty...might The OSU bring in specialists working in the industry? Part-time faculty may enrich the educational experience.

I think we all know that adjunct faculty are used, by and large, to save money on salaries. Adjunct faculty make peanuts compared to tenured faculty. And they aren't unionized, so you can treat them like garbage. It's a common occurrence -- Can't does it, too, as does Cleveland State. Perhaps OU would, as well, but since the school isn't in an urban area it doesn't have a large pool to rely on (and exploit). Which ultimately is better off for the students.As to the OSU rankings, I think we can all agree that Ohio State is the "apple of the state's eye," particularly the Ohio legislature. As a result, they get the lion's share of state provided research funding and they have not historically been forced to control tuition increases -- the only school exempted by the state. They have more of everything than every other state school combined, which is a crime...but a fact. And all of those resources make for higher rankings in U.S. news and elsewhere.

[tbozeglav]

As to the OSU rankings, I think we can all agree that Ohio State is the "apple of the state's eye," particularly the Ohio legislature. As a result, they get the lion's share of state provided research funding and they have not historically been forced to control tuition increases -- the only school exempted by the state. They have more of everything than every other state school combined, which is a crime...but a fact. And all of those resources make for higher rankings in U.S. news and elsewhere.

So wait... you are admitting that these rankings have no real bearing on the quality of the education received, rather reflect how much federal funding the institution receives and how "pretty" the school looks to those who rank the institutions?