Attendance/Ticket Prices

[tbozeglav]

Nut up or shut up

[GP1]

ME_87 - You rule. :rock:One of my favorite quotes:"There are those who look at things as they are and ask "Why?". And there are those who look at things that aren't and ask "Why not?"Until I see a UA Athletic Director that has a "Why not Akron?" attitude, I will never believe collegiate athletic success cannot be had at The University of Akron.Too many sad sacks have graced our campus with the "Woe-is-me...we can't compete for the public's affection because of <insert excuse here>." Rosa Parks stood up one day and said "F-you, I ain't sitting in the back of that bus again." I want an AD that is tired of sitting in the back of the bus. It happened at Gonzaga. It happened at Boise State. It happened at Cincinnati. It isn't easy being Rosa Parks. It's damn difficult...that's why it took until 1955 for someone to step up and defy the system. But that's the attitude we need at Akron if we're ever going to reach our potential.

The success at Cincinnati has been pretty simple to explain.First, they have made themselves one of the best teams in a conference that nearly isn't as good as it used to be. They also get BCS money and the great Basketball money from being in the Big East. Cincy joined the Big East in the 2005-2006 season. Around that time, VT, Miami and BC exited the league for the ACC. Good teams remaining were WVU and to some extent Pitt. Every league needs a team that can compete with the top two and Cincy filled that void well...Cincy and WVU will be a great game. The timing of the jump to the BE could not have been better.Secondly, the hiring of Kelly was not as much genius as it was obvious. At the time, Kelly was a star on the rise and he got out of CMU before the black hole that is the MAC could destroy his career. Kelly knows one thing for sure....you need a qb that can run his offense and run it well. Mauk and Pike fit that offense to a T. CK's favorite player at CMU fit it well also. The program Kelly took over wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. There was something to work with and our next coach will have something to work with when he gets here. I reamain optimistic about UofA being the best team in a bad conference in the near future.Thirdly, one of the P's of marketing is product. What is Cincy selling? Winning is now one of the things. Good players are easy to sell. Oh, and by the way, ConferenceDOA is not one of the things they are selling. Being at the BCS level opens up the door for huge paydays and national coverage. A school at least goes from being being the Tuesday or Wednesday night game to prime time on Thursday and then tonight is another BE game on ESPN. Nobody in Cincy wants to go watch Tulsa, Marshall, Tulane or any of the other pieces of crap C-DOA is selling. I don't see the difference in Tulsa or Central Michigan as far as my interest level.Where is UofA? Well, we need to become the best team in a bad conference. I believe we can. Second, we need a guy like Kelly who can come in next year, win immediately and then move on to his payday. The talent is there. The problem UofA has is they are in the MAC and it is where they belong. The MAC is a bad conference and the only move we can make is to a league like C-DOA which is what we would be upon crashing in that league.Here is where reality sets in and it's more than just saying, "Enough is enough". I hate to use Rosa Parks as an example because the struggles of minority groups in the 1950s pales in comparison to the struggles of UofA football, but here it goes. Rosa Parks just wasn't some lady who sat on the bus and said no. That day was carefully orchestrated by civil rights groups. The country was at a point where people were beginning to see the world and minority groups differently. Blacks served and fought in the Army in WWII and the Korean War yet they were still held back by a large part of society. Over time, blacks realized they had a lot of power in society and exercised it through marches, boycotts, etc. They may not have had a lot of money, but they had justice and morality on their side.What does the Rosa Parks analogy mean for the MAC. Change happened because people were listening, and not just black people. Who is listening to the MAC? There is a better chance of ZipsWin! missing a home MBB game than the country beginning to care about the MAC. People cared about the injustice black people were experiencing. Nobody cares about he injustice the MAC is experiencing. Not only does the country not care, but I'm at the point where I don't even think the NCAA cares about the MAC. Why should anyone care? College football as it is now is exciting for the public, making money for the big schools which is exactly the way the NCAA wants it and making money for the networks which is exactly what the NCAA wants also.Can the MAC boycott and what would they boycott? The MAC is the prostitute of the NCAA along with the other Tier 3 conferences. MAC schools have to accept paydays from BCS schools because they need the money. Even if they boycotted, nobody would care and the BCS schools would just dip down into I-AA schools for their non-conference games. Nobody at tOSU cares of they win three games against Akron, Can't, OU or YSU, Indiana State, Eastern Illinois. The stadium will be filled regardless. Enough is enough alright. Sometimes a doctor has to cut off a leg in order to save the patient. It's time for the MAC to move to I-AA if it wants to stay alive. "Growing" by adding more bad teams to an already bad league is not the answer. Jumping to conferences like C-DOA is not the answer and I have no idea why the Big East would want a MAC team to join their league.I wish it was different, but wishing again takes me back to something my mother once told me, "Make a wish or s#!t in your hat. See which one fills up first." 20+ years is enough. It's time to live in the world of reality.

[ZippyTuba11]

Jumping to conferences like C-DOA is not the answer and I have no idea why the Big East would want a MAC team to join their league.

That's funny because the Big East's Biggest team jumped from the MAC to "C-DOA" and is now one of the best teams in the country. Just because we aren't there now doesn't mean we cannot attain that level in the future. We have the right pieces of the puzzle, we just have to put them together. I think getting a coach with a great football mind will start getting the puzzle to take shape.

[Spin]

Ohio goes with the winner, it's always been that way, it will always be that way. Right now if OSU were to lose a couple of games, and Cinci keeps winning, watch how much Bearcat merchandise you start seeing.

Our attendance the year (2005) we won the conference was lower than it has been since 2000. In 2006 it was only 300 more than it was in 2004.On one hand I agree with you. NEOhio fans broke league records with a contending Arena football team. But Akron, Cant State, and all the rest of the non-OSU schools have a stigma attached. And a big part of that IMO is they can't accept (can't stand) that Akron would have one up on them. IF the Zips were in that position.I'm in the forums every day, and listening to the radio, I know how they think.

BS! Look at the other nationally ranked team in Ohio before you draw conclusions...

I'm not a geography major, but the last I checked, the Nati is not in NEOhio.

Right now if OSU were to lose a couple of games, and Cinci keeps winning, watch how much Bearcat merchandise you start seeing.

RIght, and Wal Mart can't keep Mount U merchandise on the shelves, right?

It's time for the MAC to move to I-AA if it wants to stay alive.

Where the heck do you get that???The top half of the MAC ranks with the lower half of the BCS conferences. Were you watching the scoreboard earlier this year? One win and two other games within 4 points against B10 teams the same day we were laying it to Carlton Jackson and his friends.The MAC is rated 12th overall thanks to the bottom half being bottom feeders in the NCAA this year (present company included). Don't just take my word for it. Check out the ratings, and compare the top 3-4 MAC teams with the other conferences. Maybe that's why the MAC sends at least three teams to bowl games.

[skip-zip]

Well, I can't take a poll of college football fans nationwide to see if anyone gives a damn about Boise State, but we know for sure that the sportswriters and coaches certainly do. They're the #5 team in the country, and if they run their schedule, they'll play in a major bowl game, and possibly even for a national title.I'd give anything to be in that position.

On a nationwide scale, and in Idaho, I agree with you.But in NEOhio, where you're engrained (sp?) from birth to be a tOSU fan, because it's "Ohio's team", because it's "What we do", it's a different culture. You even mention another Ohio school to a board full of honks and you get annihilated and called stupid. This is the culture I'm referring to.tOSU could go 2-10 and charge $300 a seat and still draw 80,000 every week. Ak could run the table, blow the crap out of OSU and WIsconsin and two other BCS teams, and you bring them up and 99% of the state will say "Arkon? Seriously dude? They'll never be anybody." "Get that crap out of here, you got lucky. We were looking PAST you to a real opponent."And they won't show up of you paid them to (unless you showed the tOSU game on the screen).That's IMHO what Akron is up against in gaining respect. This generation, who's been burned by the Browns for 20 years, and go 150 miles south to compensate for it, needs to die off before the culture will change.

I normally save this for GP1 but...WRONG!The fact is, Ohio front runs. For historical reference find out how many people were Michigan, FSU, or Miami fans in the 80's and 90's. Look at the odd number of Steelers fans that are popping up since 99.Ohio goes with the winner, it's always been that way, it will always be that way. Right now if OSU were to lose a couple of games, and Cinci keeps winning, watch how much Bearcat merchandise you start seeing.The "general fan" as you are so keen to talk about, roots for the winner, and that is it. It doesn't matter if it's Cinci, Boise St, Ohio St they root for who wins. (But don't win too much or be smug about it, because then you draw the "haters" ask Lebron and Tebow about that)*edit: you are right about the attendance at OSU however, but that is because they have roughly a million + living alumni that care about the university, so yes they would still have large crowds

Bingo!! If Cincinnati would emerge as the state's best team...and be recognized as being better NATIONALLY....everything would change.As much as some people don't want to admit it. Many Suckeye fans are not Suckeye fans......they are simply fans of the team that has the best chance to compete for a national championship.

[ZachTheZip]

We need to root hard for Cinci to run the table. They're far enough away that their success won't have as much pull in this region as OSU has enjoyed but it will be enough to open up some space for local teams to grow, if they take the opportunity.Akron desperately needs to win. Things are lined up for a winning season to have a much bigger impact than anything we've seen in the past.

[Spin]

And a big part of that IMO is they can't accept (can't stand) that Akron would have one up on them.

I was thinking (yeah!!! That's twice this week!!!) that another part of the perception of Akron by sports fans in Cleveland, is that Akron is seen as a small city in the pro sports world. Minor league. But in the college sports world, it's a different story. Akron's home town is bigger than all Big Ten school's home towns except tOSU and Minnesota, and in a virtual tie with Wisconsin. Problem is, in this area sports fans have far more exposure to the pro sports, always hearing about market size and all that. That's the perception Akron has to get past.In Cincinnati, IMO those fans are more familiar with college sports. And the city itself is considered "major league" with the NFL and MLB. They don't have to fight that perception, just being named "Cincinnati" screams "big league".I think I'm done ranting today...

[Lee Adams]

ME_87 - You rule. :rock:One of my favorite quotes:"There are those who look at things as they are and ask "Why?". And there are those who look at things that aren't and ask "Why not?"Until I see a UA Athletic Director that has a "Why not Akron?" attitude, I will never believe collegiate athletic success cannot be had at The University of Akron.Too many sad sacks have graced our campus with the "Woe-is-me...we can't compete for the public's affection because of <insert excuse here>." Rosa Parks stood up one day and said "F-you, I ain't sitting in the back of that bus again." I want an AD that is tired of sitting in the back of the bus. It happened at Gonzaga. It happened at Boise State. It happened at Cincinnati. It isn't easy being Rosa Parks. It's damn difficult...that's why it took until 1955 for someone to step up and defy the system. But that's the attitude we need at Akron if we're ever going to reach our potential.

The success at Cincinnati has been pretty simple to explain.First, they have made themselves one of the best teams in a conference that nearly isn't as good as it used to be. They also get BCS money and the great Basketball money from being in the Big East. Cincy joined the Big East in the 2005-2006 season. Around that time, VT, Miami and BC exited the league for the ACC. Good teams remaining were WVU and to some extent Pitt. Every league needs a team that can compete with the top two and Cincy filled that void well...Cincy and WVU will be a great game. The timing of the jump to the BE could not have been better.Secondly, the hiring of Kelly was not as much genius as it was obvious. At the time, Kelly was a star on the rise and he got out of CMU before the black hole that is the MAC could destroy his career. Kelly knows one thing for sure....you need a qb that can run his offense and run it well. Mauk and Pike fit that offense to a T. CK's favorite player at CMU fit it well also. The program Kelly took over wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. There was something to work with and our next coach will have something to work with when he gets here. I reamain optimistic about UofA being the best team in a bad conference in the near future.Thirdly, one of the P's of marketing is product. What is Cincy selling? Winning is now one of the things. Good players are easy to sell. Oh, and by the way, ConferenceDOA is not one of the things they are selling. Being at the BCS level opens up the door for huge paydays and national coverage. A school at least goes from being being the Tuesday or Wednesday night game to prime time on Thursday and then tonight is another BE game on ESPN. Nobody in Cincy wants to go watch Tulsa, Marshall, Tulane or any of the other pieces of crap C-DOA is selling. I don't see the difference in Tulsa or Central Michigan as far as my interest level.Where is UofA? Well, we need to become the best team in a bad conference. I believe we can. Second, we need a guy like Kelly who can come in next year, win immediately and then move on to his payday. The talent is there. The problem UofA has is they are in the MAC and it is where they belong. The MAC is a bad conference and the only move we can make is to a league like C-DOA which is what we would be upon crashing in that league.Here is where reality sets in and it's more than just saying, "Enough is enough". I hate to use Rosa Parks as an example because the struggles of minority groups in the 1950s pales in comparison to the struggles of UofA football, but here it goes. Rosa Parks just wasn't some lady who sat on the bus and said no. That day was carefully orchestrated by civil rights groups. The country was at a point where people were beginning to see the world and minority groups differently. Blacks served and fought in the Army in WWII and the Korean War yet they were still held back by a large part of society. Over time, blacks realized they had a lot of power in society and exercised it through marches, boycotts, etc. They may not have had a lot of money, but they had justice and morality on their side.What does the Rosa Parks analogy mean for the MAC. Change happened because people were listening, and not just black people. Who is listening to the MAC? There is a better chance of ZipsWin! missing a home MBB game than the country beginning to care about the MAC. People cared about the injustice black people were experiencing. Nobody cares about he injustice the MAC is experiencing. Not only does the country not care, but I'm at the point where I don't even think the NCAA cares about the MAC. Why should anyone care? College football as it is now is exciting for the public, making money for the big schools which is exactly the way the NCAA wants it and making money for the networks which is exactly what the NCAA wants also.Can the MAC boycott and what would they boycott? The MAC is the prostitute of the NCAA along with the other Tier 3 conferences. MAC schools have to accept paydays from BCS schools because they need the money. Even if they boycotted, nobody would care and the BCS schools would just dip down into I-AA schools for their non-conference games. Nobody at tOSU cares of they win three games against Akron, Can't, OU or YSU, Indiana State, Eastern Illinois. The stadium will be filled regardless. Enough is enough alright. Sometimes a doctor has to cut off a leg in order to save the patient. It's time for the MAC to move to I-AA if it wants to stay alive. "Growing" by adding more bad teams to an already bad league is not the answer. Jumping to conferences like C-DOA is not the answer and I have no idea why the Big East would want a MAC team to join their league.I wish it was different, but wishing again takes me back to something my mother once told me, "Make a wish or s#!t in your hat. See which one fills up first." 20+ years is enough. It's time to live in the world of reality.

Kelly would have been fine at CMU for a couple more years if he chose that route...they seem to be getting along just fine with a lot of his recruits...

[Zip_ME87]

Our attendance the year (2005) we won the conference was lower than it has been since 2000. In 2006 it was only 300 more than it was in 2004.I'm not a geography major, but the last I checked, the Nati is not in NEOhio.

Yes, Spin, you are correct that "the Nati" is not in NEOhio, but NEOhioans like a winner. If Akron were to actually win something, not just win a MACC (with a 5-3 MAC regular season record), and win consistently, I think you would actually see a real boost in attendance. However, since Akron hasn't won anything of substance, the only comparison available is another team in the same state as tOSU. a D1-A team that has actually won something and gone somewhere meaningful...the Orange Bowl...and is currently ranked in the top 25.As far as your Mt Union references, Mt Union isn't on TV, and therefore is virtually unnoticed in a TV/media-driven society. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Some 2-bit sports channel like Sports Time Ohio should consider broadcasting Mt. Union games live to fill in their pathetically-void broadcast schedule.

[fear the brown roo]

Forgive me if it's been mentioned before on here, but did anyone notice that the K.E.N.T and Indiana ticket prices are $5 higher than the other games as is the BB game vs. K.E.N.T in March? Is this something other schools do?

[infofan]

Forgive me if it's been mentioned before on here, but did anyone notice that the K.E.N.T and Indiana ticket prices are $5 higher than the other games as is the BB game vs. K.E.N.T in March? Is this something other schools do?

Yes other schools do it ( including OSU). The NCAA permits two so-called premium admission games. That doesnt make it right but most schools do take advantage of it. Still it has to seem like robbery to the Can't fans. 20BUCKS for a ticket when theyre used to getting 2 tix for 10$ at home.

[Zipmeister]

ME_87 - You rule. :rock:One of my favorite quotes:"There are those who look at things as they are and ask "Why?". And there are those who look at things that aren't and ask "Why not?"Until I see a UA Athletic Director that has a "Why not Akron?" attitude, I will never believe collegiate athletic success cannot be had at The University of Akron.Too many sad sacks have graced our campus with the "Woe-is-me...we can't compete for the public's affection because of <insert excuse here>." Rosa Parks stood up one day and said "F-you, I ain't sitting in the back of that bus again." I want an AD that is tired of sitting in the back of the bus. It happened at Gonzaga. It happened at Boise State. It happened at Cincinnati. It isn't easy being Rosa Parks. It's damn difficult...that's why it took until 1955 for someone to step up and defy the system. But that's the attitude we need at Akron if we're ever going to reach our potential.

The success at Cincinnati has been pretty simple to explain.First, they have made themselves one of the best teams in a conference that nearly isn't as good as it used to be. They also get BCS money and the great Basketball money from being in the Big East. Cincy joined the Big East in the 2005-2006 season. Around that time, VT, Miami and BC exited the league for the ACC. Good teams remaining were WVU and to some extent Pitt. Every league needs a team that can compete with the top two and Cincy filled that void well...Cincy and WVU will be a great game. The timing of the jump to the BE could not have been better.Secondly, the hiring of Kelly was not as much genius as it was obvious. At the time, Kelly was a star on the rise and he got out of CMU before the black hole that is the MAC could destroy his career. Kelly knows one thing for sure....you need a qb that can run his offense and run it well. Mauk and Pike fit that offense to a T. CK's favorite player at CMU fit it well also. The program Kelly took over wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. There was something to work with and our next coach will have something to work with when he gets here. I reamain optimistic about UofA being the best team in a bad conference in the near future.Thirdly, one of the P's of marketing is product. What is Cincy selling? Winning is now one of the things. Good players are easy to sell. Oh, and by the way, ConferenceDOA is not one of the things they are selling. Being at the BCS level opens up the door for huge paydays and national coverage. A school at least goes from being being the Tuesday or Wednesday night game to prime time on Thursday and then tonight is another BE game on ESPN. Nobody in Cincy wants to go watch Tulsa, Marshall, Tulane or any of the other pieces of crap C-DOA is selling. I don't see the difference in Tulsa or Central Michigan as far as my interest level.Where is UofA? Well, we need to become the best team in a bad conference. I believe we can. Second, we need a guy like Kelly who can come in next year, win immediately and then move on to his payday. The talent is there. The problem UofA has is they are in the MAC and it is where they belong. The MAC is a bad conference and the only move we can make is to a league like C-DOA which is what we would be upon crashing in that league.Here is where reality sets in and it's more than just saying, "Enough is enough". I hate to use Rosa Parks as an example because the struggles of minority groups in the 1950s pales in comparison to the struggles of UofA football, but here it goes. Rosa Parks just wasn't some lady who sat on the bus and said no. That day was carefully orchestrated by civil rights groups. The country was at a point where people were beginning to see the world and minority groups differently. Blacks served and fought in the Army in WWII and the Korean War yet they were still held back by a large part of society. Over time, blacks realized they had a lot of power in society and exercised it through marches, boycotts, etc. They may not have had a lot of money, but they had justice and morality on their side.What does the Rosa Parks analogy mean for the MAC. Change happened because people were listening, and not just black people. Who is listening to the MAC? There is a better chance of ZipsWin! missing a home MBB game than the country beginning to care about the MAC. People cared about the injustice black people were experiencing. Nobody cares about he injustice the MAC is experiencing. Not only does the country not care, but I'm at the point where I don't even think the NCAA cares about the MAC. Why should anyone care? College football as it is now is exciting for the public, making money for the big schools which is exactly the way the NCAA wants it and making money for the networks which is exactly what the NCAA wants also.Can the MAC boycott and what would they boycott? The MAC is the prostitute of the NCAA along with the other Tier 3 conferences. MAC schools have to accept paydays from BCS schools because they need the money. Even if they boycotted, nobody would care and the BCS schools would just dip down into I-AA schools for their non-conference games. Nobody at tOSU cares of they win three games against Akron, Can't, OU or YSU, Indiana State, Eastern Illinois. The stadium will be filled regardless. Enough is enough alright. Sometimes a doctor has to cut off a leg in order to save the patient. It's time for the MAC to move to I-AA if it wants to stay alive. "Growing" by adding more bad teams to an already bad league is not the answer. Jumping to conferences like C-DOA is not the answer and I have no idea why the Big East would want a MAC team to join their league.I wish it was different, but wishing again takes me back to something my mother once told me, "Make a wish or s#!t in your hat. See which one fills up first." 20+ years is enough. It's time to live in the world of reality.

Your Rosa Parks analogy will be appropriate when people start watching the MAC because they are too tired to switch the TV away from a MAC game. I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

[GP1]

ME_87 - You rule. :rock:One of my favorite quotes:"There are those who look at things as they are and ask "Why?". And there are those who look at things that aren't and ask "Why not?"Until I see a UA Athletic Director that has a "Why not Akron?" attitude, I will never believe collegiate athletic success cannot be had at The University of Akron.Too many sad sacks have graced our campus with the "Woe-is-me...we can't compete for the public's affection because of <insert excuse here>." Rosa Parks stood up one day and said "F-you, I ain't sitting in the back of that bus again." I want an AD that is tired of sitting in the back of the bus. It happened at Gonzaga. It happened at Boise State. It happened at Cincinnati. It isn't easy being Rosa Parks. It's damn difficult...that's why it took until 1955 for someone to step up and defy the system. But that's the attitude we need at Akron if we're ever going to reach our potential.

The success at Cincinnati has been pretty simple to explain.First, they have made themselves one of the best teams in a conference that nearly isn't as good as it used to be. They also get BCS money and the great Basketball money from being in the Big East. Cincy joined the Big East in the 2005-2006 season. Around that time, VT, Miami and BC exited the league for the ACC. Good teams remaining were WVU and to some extent Pitt. Every league needs a team that can compete with the top two and Cincy filled that void well...Cincy and WVU will be a great game. The timing of the jump to the BE could not have been better.Secondly, the hiring of Kelly was not as much genius as it was obvious. At the time, Kelly was a star on the rise and he got out of CMU before the black hole that is the MAC could destroy his career. Kelly knows one thing for sure....you need a qb that can run his offense and run it well. Mauk and Pike fit that offense to a T. CK's favorite player at CMU fit it well also. The program Kelly took over wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible either. There was something to work with and our next coach will have something to work with when he gets here. I reamain optimistic about UofA being the best team in a bad conference in the near future.Thirdly, one of the P's of marketing is product. What is Cincy selling? Winning is now one of the things. Good players are easy to sell. Oh, and by the way, ConferenceDOA is not one of the things they are selling. Being at the BCS level opens up the door for huge paydays and national coverage. A school at least goes from being being the Tuesday or Wednesday night game to prime time on Thursday and then tonight is another BE game on ESPN. Nobody in Cincy wants to go watch Tulsa, Marshall, Tulane or any of the other pieces of crap C-DOA is selling. I don't see the difference in Tulsa or Central Michigan as far as my interest level.Where is UofA? Well, we need to become the best team in a bad conference. I believe we can. Second, we need a guy like Kelly who can come in next year, win immediately and then move on to his payday. The talent is there. The problem UofA has is they are in the MAC and it is where they belong. The MAC is a bad conference and the only move we can make is to a league like C-DOA which is what we would be upon crashing in that league.Here is where reality sets in and it's more than just saying, "Enough is enough". I hate to use Rosa Parks as an example because the struggles of minority groups in the 1950s pales in comparison to the struggles of UofA football, but here it goes. Rosa Parks just wasn't some lady who sat on the bus and said no. That day was carefully orchestrated by civil rights groups. The country was at a point where people were beginning to see the world and minority groups differently. Blacks served and fought in the Army in WWII and the Korean War yet they were still held back by a large part of society. Over time, blacks realized they had a lot of power in society and exercised it through marches, boycotts, etc. They may not have had a lot of money, but they had justice and morality on their side.What does the Rosa Parks analogy mean for the MAC. Change happened because people were listening, and not just black people. Who is listening to the MAC? There is a better chance of ZipsWin! missing a home MBB game than the country beginning to care about the MAC. People cared about the injustice black people were experiencing. Nobody cares about he injustice the MAC is experiencing. Not only does the country not care, but I'm at the point where I don't even think the NCAA cares about the MAC. Why should anyone care? College football as it is now is exciting for the public, making money for the big schools which is exactly the way the NCAA wants it and making money for the networks which is exactly what the NCAA wants also.Can the MAC boycott and what would they boycott? The MAC is the prostitute of the NCAA along with the other Tier 3 conferences. MAC schools have to accept paydays from BCS schools because they need the money. Even if they boycotted, nobody would care and the BCS schools would just dip down into I-AA schools for their non-conference games. Nobody at tOSU cares of they win three games against Akron, Can't, OU or YSU, Indiana State, Eastern Illinois. The stadium will be filled regardless. Enough is enough alright. Sometimes a doctor has to cut off a leg in order to save the patient. It's time for the MAC to move to I-AA if it wants to stay alive. "Growing" by adding more bad teams to an already bad league is not the answer. Jumping to conferences like C-DOA is not the answer and I have no idea why the Big East would want a MAC team to join their league.I wish it was different, but wishing again takes me back to something my mother once told me, "Make a wish or s#!t in your hat. See which one fills up first." 20+ years is enough. It's time to live in the world of reality.

Your Rosa Parks analogy will be appropriate when people start watching the MAC because they are too tired to switch the TV away from a MAC game. I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Try again.....

[Dave in Green]

..... I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Rosa Parks became active in the civil rights movement 12 years before the famous bus incident, and was an active member of both the NAACP and Voters League. I'm sure that she was worn out after a hard day of work, as most working people are. But if she ever said that the only reason that she didn't give up her seat on that bus was because she was too tired to walk to the back of the bus, I'm sure she said it with a wink and a nod. Those who really knew her have said over the years that she had a wonderful sense of humor, and fought the civil rights battles with grace and dignity.

[Zipmeister]

..... I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Rosa Parks became active in the civil rights movement 12 years before the famous bus incident, and was an active member of both the NAACP and Voters League. I'm sure that she was worn out after a hard day of work, as most working people are. But if she ever said that the only reason that she didn't give up her seat on that bus was because she was too tired to walk to the back of the bus, I'm sure she said it with a wink and a nod. Those who really knew her have said over the years that she had a wonderful sense of humor, and fought the civil rights battles with grace and dignity.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to call Rosa a liar.

[Dave in Green]

..... I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Rosa Parks became active in the civil rights movement 12 years before the famous bus incident, and was an active member of both the NAACP and Voters League. I'm sure that she was worn out after a hard day of work, as most working people are. But if she ever said that the only reason that she didn't give up her seat on that bus was because she was too tired to walk to the back of the bus, I'm sure she said it with a wink and a nod. Those who really knew her have said over the years that she had a wonderful sense of humor, and fought the civil rights battles with grace and dignity.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to call Rosa a liar.

As I'm sure everyone reading this thread understands, I did not nor would not call Rosa Parks a liar. Your last statement is a poor reflection on you.This is how she responded to the question in one interview:How did you feel when you were asked to give up your seat? I didn't feel very good about being told to stand up and not have a seat. I felt I had a right to stay where I was. That was why I told the driver I was not going to stand. I believed that he would arrest me. I did it because I wanted this particular driver to know that we were being treated unfairly as individuals and as a people. Rosa Parks Quote Link

[ZachTheZip]

Back on topic, attendance was 20,802 for the Can't game. Not bad, but not as good as one might have hoped.

[RootforRoo44]

..... I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Rosa Parks became active in the civil rights movement 12 years before the famous bus incident, and was an active member of both the NAACP and Voters League. I'm sure that she was worn out after a hard day of work, as most working people are. But if she ever said that the only reason that she didn't give up her seat on that bus was because she was too tired to walk to the back of the bus, I'm sure she said it with a wink and a nod. Those who really knew her have said over the years that she had a wonderful sense of humor, and fought the civil rights battles with grace and dignity.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to call Rosa a liar.

This is a stupid argument. As a History major i can tell you that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Rosa Parks had indeed planned her move and only days before the incident had met with other civil rights leaders/activists at a meeting headed by RCNL leader TRM Howard. This is not even mentioning the multiple instances of other African Americans doing the same thing years before Rosa Parks did, all of which Parks had direct knowledge of as she worked with the NAACP. Regardless of if it was planned or not, it was a bold move for a woman to make.

[Zipmeister]

..... I have actually talked to Rosa (no joke) and according to her there was no orchestration by civil rights groups behind her bus incident. She told me she was just to tired to move to the back of the bus.

Rosa Parks became active in the civil rights movement 12 years before the famous bus incident, and was an active member of both the NAACP and Voters League. I'm sure that she was worn out after a hard day of work, as most working people are. But if she ever said that the only reason that she didn't give up her seat on that bus was because she was too tired to walk to the back of the bus, I'm sure she said it with a wink and a nod. Those who really knew her have said over the years that she had a wonderful sense of humor, and fought the civil rights battles with grace and dignity.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to call Rosa a liar.

This is a stupid argument. As a History major i can tell you that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Rosa Parks had indeed planned her move and only days before the incident had met with other civil rights leaders/activists at a meeting headed by RCNL leader TRM Howard. This is not even mentioning the multiple instances of other African Americans doing the same thing years before Rosa Parks did, all of which Parks had direct knowledge of as she worked with the NAACP. Regardless of if it was planned or not, it was a bold move for a woman to make.

Your argument isn't stupid. It's just that like the others you believe stuff you read whereas my information comes from the source.

[Zip Watcher]

For me, this is a non-issue.Over 3 games, the average is still 21,113 / game.Certainly a big drop off from game 1 to game 2 .. that can't be a big surprise to anyone.It appears to me that they'll hit the target of 108K fans for the season. Can't State will draw well, it always does. Even taking the IU to OU trend and running it out over the remainder of the season has them hitting the number.All this, with possibly one of the worst football seasons in recent memory? Seems ok to me. We don't need to be dropping prices.Go Zips!! B)

In an attempt to steer this thread back to Zips football, 20,802 paying customers witnessed the first Wagon Wheel game at the Info.Updating the home attendance figures for the season:The 4 game average is still nearly 21k per game ===> 20,851 per game.Total attendance through 4 games ===> 83,404.Goal of 18k average over 6 games requires that 24,596 total fans take in the next two games. Piece of cake.I figure we'll see about 17k per game the last 2 games .. especially if the Zips can beat Temple on Friday.If that happens, the total season attendance will be ====> 117,404, for an average attendance of just shy of 20k .. 19567 per game. Not too bad for a less than stellar product on the field.If we assume a $20/ticket average .. that's $2,348,080 in gate receipts before a single dog, brat, soda or beer is purchased.Great game & atmosphere last night .. it's a great facility and it will only get better.Go Zips!!

[Zip Watcher]

One last thing:Only CMU is out drawing the Zips thus far in 2009 based on Average Attendance. OU and WMU are the next behind the Zips. CMU, the far and away favorite in the league, having a great season, is out drawing the 2-7 Zips by less than 1000 fans per game. What will the Info be like when the Zips start putting good seasons together?Go Zips!! B) B)

[Zipsrifle]

Well, according to Elton, we will never get more than 21,000 people to an Akron-Can't game.http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/in...r_things_f.htmlI hate that guy. He is supposed to be a journalist and publishes his subjective observations such as:The view from Infocision isn't that good, all you can see from the top of the press tower is warehouses. Really? Well, that doesn't suprise me as your sitting 100 feet above the 20,000+ paying fans below you and your in AKRON!!! Shouldn't you be watching the football game below you???and now he states that: "2. The 20,802 was a good crowd on a beautiful day. But let's face it. Unless a MAC team can generate some Boise State-type credentials, which seems far-fetched, that's about the limit on November attendance any program can expect. Had both teams been better, it is still unlikely the crowd would have been much bigger"Really? That's it, there is just no support for this team, even though we were what coming into the game....1-7? How many were in attendance the November night of the Akron-Marshall game in 2004? 30,000K? You know what, if it is that much trouble for him to come ot the games, sit in a beautiful new press tower and watch a football game FOR FREE, then don't show up! Hell, the PD just posts OSU crap all over the MAC page anyway.....might as well just do away with the MAC coverage and you can go find a job somewhere else. I'm done with the PD....worthless!

[infofan]

One last thing:Only CMU is out drawing the Zips thus far in 2009 based on Average Attendance. OU and WMU are the next behind the Zips. CMU, the far and away favorite in the league, having a great season, is out drawing the 2-7 Zips by less than 1000 fans per game. What will the Info be like when the Zips start putting good seasons together?Go Zips!! B) B)

I agree attendance for Can't game was better than some here anticipated- considering OSU on tv at same time. but did you notice- not too many Can't fans. I hate to bring up the dead horse issue but if we are serious about upping attendance 2 schools realistically come to mind: YSU and Marshall. Like it or not they both travel well. The 4 game average is still nearly 21k per game ===> 20,851 per game.Total attendance through 4 games ===> 83,404.Goal of 18k average over 6 games requires that 24,596 total fans take in the next two games. Piece of cake.I figure we'll see about 17k per game the last 2 games .. especially if the Zips can beat Temple on Friday.If that happens, the total season attendance will be ====> 117,404, for an average attendance of just shy of 20k .. 19567 per game. Not too bad for a less than stellar product on the field.If we assume a $20/ticket average .. that's $2,348,080 in gate receipts before a single dog, brat, soda or beer is purchasedJust have to clarify the issue of gate receipts. You have to factor in @ 3000 or so students did not pay and about 2000 of our season tix were family plan ( 200 bucks for 4 tickets for 6 games). I think its still a quantum leap fromRubber bowl revenues. One has to wonder- Can't is averaging 15588 a game at 5 dollars per ticket. While most MAC schools charge @ 24bucks a ticket . how deep a hole are they digging??

[tbozeglav]

Just have to clarify the issue of gate receipts. You have to factor in @ 3000 or so students did not pay and about 2000 of our season tix were family plan ( 200 bucks for 4 tickets for 6 games). I think its still a quantum leap fromRubber bowl revenues. One has to wonder- Can't is averaging 15588 a game at 5 dollars per ticket. While most MAC schools charge @ 24bucks a ticket . how deep a hole are they digging??

You are correct, however the reserve and priority reserved seats should offset the students and the discounts from the family plans. Lets also not forget the club and suite seats that cost even more than that.To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised by the turnout for the game. Considering our record and the perception of the University's football program to the general public, I was happy to see that many people come out for the game. I am also glad they got to see one of the best performances from our football team so far this season. Sure we aren't selling out, but honestly we aren't going to until we start winning consistently and we start making more noise nationally. Regardless, I am plenty happy with a 20k average and hope we maintain those numbers. It shows that the community supports the team more than the used to.Go Zips and beat the hell out of Temple!

[vmd9]

Well, according to Elton, we will never get more than 21,000 people to an Akron-Can't game.http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/in...r_things_f.htmlI hate that guy. He is supposed to be a journalist and publishes his subjective observations such as:The view from Infocision isn't that good, all you can see from the top of the press tower is warehouses. Really? Well, that doesn't suprise me as your sitting 100 feet above the 20,000+ paying fans below you and your in AKRON!!! Shouldn't you be watching the football game below you???and now he states that: "2. The 20,802 was a good crowd on a beautiful day. But let's face it. Unless a MAC team can generate some Boise State-type credentials, which seems far-fetched, that's about the limit on November attendance any program can expect. Had both teams been better, it is still unlikely the crowd would have been much bigger"Really? That's it, there is just no support for this team, even though we were what coming into the game....1-7? How many were in attendance the November night of the Akron-Marshall game in 2004? 30,000K? You know what, if it is that much trouble for him to come ot the games, sit in a beautiful new press tower and watch a football game FOR FREE, then don't show up! Hell, the PD just posts OSU crap all over the MAC page anyway.....might as well just do away with the MAC coverage and you can go find a job somewhere else. I'm done with the PD....worthless!

Elton Alexander is an idiot! end of story. He will never say anything good about the zips, he even found a way to put a negative spin on the title of the article about the game. "Akron finds a rare sunny day in a dark season" and he goes on to say the the instant replays were the reason we won. We could have won 100-20 and he would have said the same crap. Seriously what is this guys deal? Is he from Can't or something and not smart enough to even write a good article and give credit to a team that played well, or did he not watch the game because he was too busy looking at warehouses. He also said CMU has the best stadium in the MAC hahaha fire him