2010 4-3 Dline

[xu9697]

DE Sewell 6-1, 280DT Marcoux 6-3, 275DT Harvey 6-4, 290DE Hazime 6-3, 255DT main back-ups:Antoine Jones 6-3, 260Marquinn Davis 6-6, 290DE main back-upsDeni Odofin 6-3, 230Shane Shead 6-3, 240This is not even including guys like Tonga, Henderson and potential "move-up" ends like a Will Fleming (at 6-4, 220, no reason to think he can't get around 235 by beginning of the year. Boston College, as an example, plays many DEs in the 240 to 255 range).I think we definitely have the pieces to quickly move to this type of line-up. Size is there overally, and I think Sewell would excel as a DE. Might be some question marks about DE depth, but I think we can get there relatively quickly.

[cornbread]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

[Dr Z]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

[cornbread]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

[Buckzip]

DE Sewell 6-1, 280DT Marcoux 6-3, 275DT Harvey 6-4, 290DE Hazime 6-3, 255DT main back-ups:Antoine Jones 6-3, 260Marquinn Davis 6-6, 290DE main back-upsDeni Odofin 6-3, 230Shane Shead 6-3, 240This is not even including guys like Tonga, Henderson and potential "move-up" ends like a Will Fleming (at 6-4, 220, no reason to think he can't get around 235 by beginning of the year. Boston College, as an example, plays many DEs in the 240 to 255 range).I think we definitely have the pieces to quickly move to this type of line-up. Size is there overally, and I think Sewell would excel as a DE. Might be some question marks about DE depth, but I think we can get there relatively quickly.

So you are asuming that Tonga and Henderson will still be here along with Fleming. I hope you are correct.You forgot Joe Rash

[Zipmeister]

DE Sewell 6-1, 280DT Marcoux 6-3, 275DT Harvey 6-4, 290DE Hazime 6-3, 255DT main back-ups:Antoine Jones 6-3, 260Marquinn Davis 6-6, 290DE main back-upsDeni Odofin 6-3, 230Shane Shead 6-3, 240This is not even including guys like Tonga, Henderson and potential "move-up" ends like a Will Fleming (at 6-4, 220, no reason to think he can't get around 235 by beginning of the year. Boston College, as an example, plays many DEs in the 240 to 255 range).I think we definitely have the pieces to quickly move to this type of line-up. Size is there overally, and I think Sewell would excel as a DE. Might be some question marks about DE depth, but I think we can get there relatively quickly.

So you are asuming that Tonga and Henderson will still be here along with Fleming. I hope you are correct.You forgot Joe Rash

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.

[RACER]

i think our d-line coaching was terrible while j.d. was here.maybe using a different defense will help.we never put pressure on the qb even when we blitzed.my biggest concern is the new coach of the d-line.i think we have some good players,butthey need coaching.even on third and long everyone in the stands knew the other team was passing:the other teams qbcould sit down drink a cup off coffee get up ,and complete a pass for a first down.we also need to find some more biger db's.teams with bigger wr made us look bad.i know things won't change overnight,but the question remains does the coaching staff even know where to make changes??

[Lee Adams]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

[cornbread]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

The lbs were in zone against emu. The td was a flag route i think. the lbs were covering hooks and seams. I thought he did well in coverage for a frosh.

[xu9697]

DE Sewell 6-1, 280DT Marcoux 6-3, 275DT Harvey 6-4, 290DE Hazime 6-3, 255DT main back-ups:Antoine Jones 6-3, 260Marquinn Davis 6-6, 290DE main back-upsDeni Odofin 6-3, 230Shane Shead 6-3, 240This is not even including guys like Tonga, Henderson and potential "move-up" ends like a Will Fleming (at 6-4, 220, no reason to think he can't get around 235 by beginning of the year. Boston College, as an example, plays many DEs in the 240 to 255 range).I think we definitely have the pieces to quickly move to this type of line-up. Size is there overally, and I think Sewell would excel as a DE. Might be some question marks about DE depth, but I think we can get there relatively quickly.

So you are asuming that Tonga and Henderson will still be here along with Fleming. I hope you are correct.You forgot Joe Rash

I did forget Rash. And no, my point is that I didn't include Tonga and Henderson b/c I think it is likely they will not be here. Fleming..50/50 on that one.Wagner might move to the outside, but if he is listed at 6'1, 220 now...I assume he can easily put on 10 to 12 pounds. So, realistically, he is probably going to be playing at a TRUE 6'0, 227 lbs. We'll see where that puts him.

[cornbread]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

The lbs were in zone against emu. The td was a flag route i think. the lbs were covering hooks and seams. I thought he did well in coverage for a frosh.

I was thinking of the wrong game. EMU had no touchdown passes. Their best receiver for the day was a TE. He had 3 receptions for 35 yards.35 yards is pretty good.

[KentZip]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163

[zff]

I did not see Henderson fitting in with the new coaching style. Best of luck to him at IUP.

[Zipmeister]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

You are a veritable ray of sunshine, meister.

[Buckzip]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

You are a veritable ray of sunshine, meister.

[johnnyzip84]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

You are a veritable ray of sunshine, meister.

While humorous, the meister actually left himself wide open for a counterpoint.Let's go with a "max weight" 2009 Zip d-line for argument's sake....say Harvey, Bain, and Sewell --> total weight 290 + 290 + 280 = 860 LBfAssume a "min weight" d-line for 2010, as in the 4 lightest DL's..... Odofin, Shead, Homayed, Hazime --> total weight 230 + 240 + 235 + 255 = 960 LBf960 > 860Conclusion: Until there are no FBS teams left running either a 3-3-5 or a 3-4, the Zips will most likely not have the smallest defensive line in the country.Q.E.D.

[Dr Z]

Good defensive line = talent + technique + scheme + play callingWe were missing at least half the equation last year, I hope we fix that this year and stop the run and get some QB pressure. J-E-T-S, Jets Jets Jets!!!!

[Zipmeister]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

You are a veritable ray of sunshine, meister.

While humorous, the meister actually left himself wide open for a counterpoint.Let's go with a "max weight" 2009 Zip d-line for argument's sake....say Harvey, Bain, and Sewell --> total weight 290 + 290 + 280 = 860 LBfAssume a "min weight" d-line for 2010, as in the 4 lightest DL's..... Odofin, Shead, Homayed, Hazime --> total weight 230 + 240 + 235 + 255 = 960 LBf960 > 860Conclusion: Until there are no FBS teams left running either a 3-3-5 or a 3-4, the Zips will most likely not have the smallest defensive line in the country.Q.E.D.

While a good attempt at counterpointing the Meister, Johny has not carried his argument to its logical conclusion.... and left himself open for a vicious backatya. To wit, lets put all 11 guys on the dline and have the heaviest line in FBS!It's not total weight that makes us the lightest dline in FBS, it's AVERAGE weight. (regarding your hypothetical heavy 3-man line: Question - what's the difference between Bain and a 290 pound hunk of concrete? Answer - the hunk of concrete has greater mobility).We may have to put a couple of guys on a diet to maintain the title of smallest FBS dline, however, because if the members of the dline for Army maintain their current weight and place on the depth chart, they will AVERAGE 261 pounds.

[johnnyzip84]

I'm guessing Henderson will be a no show. But not only will Tonga be back, I'm predicting that he will have an even bigger year next year than Bain had this year.According to this, you guessed correctly.http://akron.scout.com/a.z?s=333&p=8&a...amp;nid=4520163This hopefully will work out well for Chris and I know in increases the odds that in 2010 Akron will have the smallest defensive line in FBS football

You are a veritable ray of sunshine, meister.

While humorous, the meister actually left himself wide open for a counterpoint.Let's go with a "max weight" 2009 Zip d-line for argument's sake....say Harvey, Bain, and Sewell --> total weight 290 + 290 + 280 = 860 LBfAssume a "min weight" d-line for 2010, as in the 4 lightest DL's..... Odofin, Shead, Homayed, Hazime --> total weight 230 + 240 + 235 + 255 = 960 LBf960 > 860Conclusion: Until there are no FBS teams left running either a 3-3-5 or a 3-4, the Zips will most likely not have the smallest defensive line in the country.Q.E.D.

While a good attempt at counterpointing the Meister, Johny has not carried his argument to its logical conclusion.... and left himself open for a vicious backatya. To wit, lets put all 11 guys on the dline and have the heaviest line in FBS!It's not total weight that makes us the lightest dline in FBS, it's AVERAGE weight. (regarding your hypothetical heavy 3-man line: Question - what's the difference between Bain and a 290 pound hunk of concrete? Answer - the hunk of concrete has greater mobility).We may have to put a couple of guys on a diet to maintain the title of smallest FBS dline, however, because if the members of the dline for Army maintain their current weight and place on the depth chart, they will AVERAGE 261 pounds.

If only we'd revert to the 3-3-5, we'd have West Point all up in arms!!!

[Lee Adams]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

The lbs were in zone against emu. The td was a flag route i think. the lbs were covering hooks and seams. I thought he did well in coverage for a frosh.

wasn't just referring to one play...he stands out because he runs around but seemed to consistently have some problems with decision making when he had to stay home with a receiver on his side...he just seems more like a safety in a 4-3...let him run around and head hunt...

[GP1]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

The lbs were in zone against emu. The td was a flag route i think. the lbs were covering hooks and seams. I thought he did well in coverage for a frosh.

wasn't just referring to one play...he stands out because he runs around but seemed to consistently have some problems with decision making when he had to stay home with a receiver on his side...he just seems more like a safety in a 4-3...let him run around and head hunt...

I have a better idea. Keep him in the middle and put a D-Line in front of him that doesn't get knocked off the ball and protect him. The middle LB is the most important player in a 4-3. Wagner could go down as the all time tackle leader in the history of the school. His ability would be wasted at safety and he doesn't have the speed to play the position...he has very good speed for LB. Wagner is a perfect example of why this team should win in the near future. He is one of many talented players on the team. He has two of the best gifts, size and speed. If the new coach can just change the culture of the program, we will see winning in the very near future.I remain very bullish about the near future.

[g-mann17]

Does Wagner move to the sole middle linebacker spot or do they take advantage of his speed and move him to Will or Sam and blitz him more?

He seems like a middle linebacker to me, but I bet he can be successful at both.

I think he is too skinny. I am going to send the athletic department a few vats of peanut butter to his attention.

thank you..watched him closely in the emu game..he had problems covering their tight end,working in space...might be a big safety in a 4-3 IF he can roam the field..

The lbs were in zone against emu. The td was a flag route i think. the lbs were covering hooks and seams. I thought he did well in coverage for a frosh.

wasn't just referring to one play...he stands out because he runs around but seemed to consistently have some problems with decision making when he had to stay home with a receiver on his side...he just seems more like a safety in a 4-3...let him run around and head hunt...

I have a better idea. Keep him in the middle and put a D-Line in front of him that doesn't get knocked off the ball and protect him. The middle LB is the most important player in a 4-3. Wagner could go down as the all time tackle leader in the history of the school. His ability would be wasted at safety and he doesn't have the speed to play the position...he has very good speed for LB. Wagner is a perfect example of why this team should win in the near future. He is one of many talented players on the team. He has two of the best gifts, size and speed. If the new coach can just change the culture of the program, we will see winning in the very near future.I remain very bullish about the near future.

If he hits the weights and the dinner table, no reason he can't bump up to 240 and maintain his current speed.I'm with GP1 here, you have someone with his nose for the ball playing middle, you have a lot of options on defense.

[ZIPFB#1]

I wonder if Lee Adams is watching the same games/team we all are watching?

[johnnyzip84]

I wonder if Lee Adams is watching the same games/team we all are watching?

Why would you ask such a question? Because he wants RI to change the position of a FR All-American linebacker?