zen Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I can't defend that. Hey Charlie. I'm quite sure you don't come here, but if you do, let me just pontificate one thing.Compensation is considered an shameful defense mechanism.However, in your chase, I recommend it.Your natural gift is to make things happen. But you have only gone further toward that phenomenon, to your detriment.What you should be doing, along with knowing the game which it is said you have done, is to compensate and play efficiently.Forcing? Bad idea. Get a Taoist teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I didn't see the game, but I don't need to in order to know Charlie is sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipseuph Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I will say this for Charlie. he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team. there were several times where his team mates either 1) dropped very catchable balls or 2) made some stupid penalty that negated a big play.don't get me wrong Charlie isn't greatest qb and probably isn't going to be the starter anywhere but he isn't as bad as his team made him look today (story of his life) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 zipseuph...good points....I'll add to that.I'm actually quite surprised that he's throwing so many good balls after only playing in a couple of games the last few years. You don't throw for 350 yards playing with an offensive unit that's ranked at, or near, the bottom of the league in most categories without doing some good things. Unfortunately for him, a couple of those bad reads on short passes were costly. And since the highlight films will show those before the good plays, I don't suppose he's doing what he needs to do to show anyone that he's ready to become a starter again somewhere in the league right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippysgotagun Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I was at the game, and I told my dad on the way home that Charlie hasn't changed a bit since he left Cleveland.Charlie's 2 main problems:1. Arm Strength. His second INT (where the Browns DB jumped the out pattern a receiver ran) wouldn't have happened to a "Normal" NFL QB. With decent arm strength, that pass gets to the WR quicker, and at worst, the DB would have maybe gotten a hand on it to break it up.2. One or two moments of back-breaking stupidity. Charlie would be a pretty average QB if he could just stop making 1 or 2 glaringly bad decisions per game. When he played for the Browns, every game he would have at least one moment where I'd shake my head wondering what his thought process was when he would make a pass. They always seemed to come at the worst possible times too.Unfortunately, there isn't too much of a market for weak-armed, sometimes boneheaded QB's in the NFL. You can get away with a lot more crap playing in the MAC than you can in the NFL.Oh, and completely unrelated, but I couldn't freaking believe when Janikowski hit that 61 yard FG to end the first. THAT was impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I will say this for Charlie. he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team. there were several times where his team mates either 1) dropped very catchable balls or 2) made some stupid penalty that negated a big play.don't get me wrong Charlie isn't greatest qb and probably isn't going to be the starter anywhere but he isn't as bad as his team made him look today (story of his life)I agree...the Raiders are terrible, and it showed when Frye tried to make things happen. He showed some talent, just his receivers are AWFUL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Unfortunately, there isn't too much of a market for weak-armed, sometimes boneheaded QB's in the NFL. You can get away with a lot more crap playing in the MAC than you can in the NFL.Maybe not as a starter, but certainly as a back-up. Charlie is proof of it.Think about it. If you were an NFL General Manager and you were thinking about your back-up situation, what would you want? The two things I want would be ability and experience. Most back-up QBs don't have the ability or they wouldn't be a back-up. Charlie doesn't have the ability. Most rarely get in a game let along start a game. Charlie has at least started a number of games so he does have the experience. I really believe that is worth something and Charlie will be around for five more years because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I will say this for Charlie. he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team. there were several times where his team mates either 1) dropped very catchable balls or 2) made some stupid penalty that negated a big play.don't get me wrong Charlie isn't greatest qb and probably isn't going to be the starter anywhere but he isn't as bad as his team made him look today (story of his life)I agree...the Raiders are terrible, and it showed when Frye tried to make things happen. He showed some talent, just his receivers are AWFUL.Someone just called me to tell me that two of Oakland's WRs, a TE, and a RB did not play because of injury, yet Charlie's passing yards were the highest of any QB in the league this week. If that's true, it's pretty amazing...whether some people on here like Charlie or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I will say this for Charlie. he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team. there were several times where his team mates either 1) dropped very catchable balls or 2) made some stupid penalty that negated a big play.don't get me wrong Charlie isn't greatest qb and probably isn't going to be the starter anywhere but he isn't as bad as his team made him look today (story of his life)I agree...the Raiders are terrible, and it showed when Frye tried to make things happen. He showed some talent, just his receivers are AWFUL.Someone just called me to tell me that two of Oakland's WRs, a TE, and a RB did not play because of injury, yet Charlie's passing yards were the highest of any QB in the league this week. If that's true, it's pretty amazing...whether some people on here like Charlie or not.He had 4 INTs.If you get the most yards in the league, and the most interceptions, odds are you are still going to be on the losing team in the league.I always felt Frye had this amazing ability to make things happen. It's the kind of talent-instinct that is probably not easy to coach. That's great, but he's gone and become an exaggerated caricature of himself... when instead, he should have been learning to slow the game down and make better decisions with the football.You always hear them talk about how Charlie is always preparing for games, or how Mike Holmgren taught him so much about the game. So, he's obviously developed in that aspect. But he hasn't compensated for his bad decisions and his instinct to force the football. We know he has heart and he has passion, but in my opinion, until he slows down the game and lets it flow (instead of force it, which was my Tao reference), then he is going to continue to be a liability for any offense that he leads.As a comparisson, ROFLzberger doesn't look as frantic in the pocket as Charlie does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 As a comparisson, ROFLzberger doesn't look as frantic in the pocket as Charlie does.That's because Roethlisberger is slowed down by the weight of his two Super Bowl rings and his MAC Championship ring.I can't believe my Steelers playoffs hopes partly rest on Charlie actually being able to win a game this week. It's funny how things come around.....and depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 ... he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team... (story of his life)Frye missed his sister's wedding too.It was also a heart-tugging homecoming. The man missed his sister's wedding here the day before thanks to the Raiders flying in fewer than 24 hours before kickoff, as mandated by NFL rules.Welcome to Charlie Frye's World... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Interesting article. The numbers prove the obvious. You have to play in games to get rhythm and timing.All in all, Frye preformed well, all things considered. He will only get better. Playing real games and notrunning the scout team is the medicine Charlie needs.For those of you who hate Charlie, in the delightful words of Whoopee Goldburg in the movie Ghost,"kiss my butt". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Interesting article. The numbers prove the obvious. You have to play in games to get rhythm and timing.All in all, Frye preformed well, all things considered. He will only get better. Playing real games and notrunning the scout team is the medicine Charlie needs.For those of you who hate Charlie, in the delightful words of Whoopee Goldburg in the movie Ghost,"kiss my butt".I don't believe they intend to start Charlie in the future. When they benched Jamarcus, Gradkowski was their QB until he got hurt, and I can't believe that they have given up on Russell yet. I expect them to give him another go next year.I think Charlie's shot was to come in and light that place up, and unrealistic as it may be to expect a guy who hasn't started in several seasons to perform at top level, I do think he made too many mistakes. It's better to give up the ball to your special teams unit than to the other team's defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Temple just went up 7-0 on a pass to GP1s favorite position - the TIGHT END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippysgotagun Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 He had 4 INTs.He really had 5, but one was negated by a defensive holding call away from the play. He almost had 6, but a Cleveland defender couldn't keep his back foot in bounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 And yet he really only had three interceptions because the only count the interceptions that are caught by the opposing team in bounds. Where are you all getting four? If you are going to count dropped INTs you better count dropped passes. I actually though Charlie looked as good as I'd seen him in the pros, but still not good enough. His receivers were terrible though and the he got very little help from them especially on the Brandon McDonald INT where the WR just stopped running his route.I agree with GP1 in that I think he has an opportunity to be a back-up in this league for a long time. I would find it really funny if Holmgren decided the same thing and he brought him back to Cleveland to be a back-up and help teach the West Coast Offense to the remaining QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 ... he wasn't exactly getting much help from his team... (story of his life)Frye missed his sister's wedding too.It was also a heart-tugging homecoming. The man missed his sister's wedding here the day before thanks to the Raiders flying in fewer than 24 hours before kickoff, as mandated by NFL rules.Welcome to Charlie Frye's World...I think it takes a lot of nerve for a young lady to schedule her wedding during football season. If there are any unmarried ladies out there reading this, don't schedule your wedding between September 1 and February 28.Did his sister not know it was football season? Did his sister not know her brother was a professional football player and works on the weekends during football season? Smarts must really not run in the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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