Someone tell the Zips

[Quickzips]

What in the hell was that? We dominated DOMINATED the first half. In all actuality shoulda been up by more than that. Did JD just let the guys settle in at the half and not make any adjustments? God did that suck. Some thoughts.

Getsy sucks. Get over it, anyone who calls him the next Frye is out of their mind. Dude overthrows recievers constantly.

Were throwing to much early. Getsy threw 36 TIMES IN THE FIRST HALF ALONE. Why? Biggs might not have broken a bunch of 30+ yarders but he wasn't at all ineffective. How can you have a QB throwing 36 times in the first friggin half?

Defense wasn't the problem at all. It continues to be the offenses lack of ability to sustain drives and keep the D of the field for a breather. If these guys can't step it up on offense and give the D some help were gonna loose alot more games

What was with the punt team tonight? Sullivan looked like shit most of the night, and that like 15 yard punt, hell I've seen highschoolers punt better than that.

What was with all the flags that they were pickin up? Since when do we throw a flag and then pick it up 3 times in one game. I refuse to believe that all those were not penalties.

My final thought.

[Kangaroo Craig]

I agree! Getsy was awful! So was the line play on both sides of the ball. We won the line of scrimmage battle in the first quarter and they dominated it in the last three quarters. This was a tale of two halves. Did JD get out coached tonight?", are we worse than them?, or did we just lay down and die after the first quarter? My next question is does Northern Illinios suck And is Both Eastern and Central Michigan better than Northern? If so, were going to have a tough time against everyone in our division. I pray to God that this was nothing more than a stupid let down from the last game. Tonight there was no offense for three quarters and not much defense for about a half. The way we played tonight, lowly Buffalo should give us a good game next week. First the Indians and now the Zips! Totally a lost weekend here in Northeast Ohio. I think I am getting nauseous!

[grice]

Let's hope this was just Getsy bad game for the season. He looked frustrated. He's passed for well over 1200 yards in only four games. The NIU game Getsy would be great for the remaining season.

[Quickzips]

Even with NIU Getsy was overthrowing recievers. It didn't matter though b/c NIU had NO pass defense. If he can't lower the ball down a bit its gonna be a long season.

[Z.I.P.]

Live by the big play, die by the big play. It's that simple. The team grew overconfident in their ability to extend the playbook. You can't depend on the same thing to occur every week. Defenses catch up eventually.

Also, they are not good enough to make mistakes and win at the same time. I'm sure Buffalo will look at the film of this game and think they can do what CMU did to us. This would be a good time to discover a consistent rushing game to compliment Getsy's passing. I'd find it hard to criticize a first half like Akron had offensively -- though they should have put up more points. But if they cut out the turnovers, everything will be fine with this team. I'll give JD the benefit of the doubt at this early point in the season, and Luke gets to feed off that.

Hopefully, they learn from this game, and make the changes that will propel the Zips to a championship season. Keep the faith!

[Quickzips]

Z.I.P. the faith is about dead. We're still a middle of the road team and Getsy is NOT the answer at QB. No way does BG loose more MAC games than us and its doubtful that Miami will either. The only solice I can take out of that one is at least were not Pitt who would actually be better off with Getsy back, is it too late to deny his transfer?

[Sloopy]

One bad game and Quick Zips wants to kill the QB? That's pretty shaky.

Sounds like the Zips go a case of the big head and did not come out with fire in the second half. CMU had the passion and won the game. Statistics wde this one looks like it was in the bag at halftime and this inexperienced Zips got caught thinking about the future instead of lowering the boom. Let's hope they learn from the lesson and do not repeat the mistake.

Heading onto this season Brookhart warned of the lack of experience and depth on the fronts and tonight that showed through. Add in the overconfidence factor and that is a recipe for disaster. On paper this game looks like a reversal of the NIU game. Akron scored easily on it's first two drives, went up 10-0, rolled up big numbers in terms of yardage and went into the half fat and happy. When teams are not mature in how to win and how to finish this stuff happens. You can bet that they were told to lay down the hammer and that the kids just tuned it out. Doubt the coaches slept much last night as those guys take things pretty hard, as they should. This is the kind of loss that lingers so no better time on the schedule than to play Buffalo next week.

Running the football successfully comes down to line play, talent in the backfield and want to. My friends at the game said the backs were getting hit by multiple CMU defenders in the backfield and at the line. When you set a school record for passing attempts due to a lack of running game that is a bad omen my friends.

Hard to believe the crowd was only 10K after 15K last week. A 33% drop after a big win is odd. At this rate there will be only 1K for the Thanksgiving game.

I would not give up on the team after a 2-2 start. I think it's odd how many people want to discard Getsy this week after a bad game when following last week's game you loved him. Your memories should be able to last longer than a computer re-boot. I doubt many wanted to see Charlie Frye replaced after the CMU game in 2002 or the Can't State game in 2003. It's not one player who lost, or one side of the ball, this looks like a team loss, as most of them are. Next week will be a telling sign as to where this team is.

[Quickzips]

Its not just one bad game. Getsy was overthrowing on too many passes vs. NIU. I had a friend in the stands who said it to me but I wrote it off b/c he's not really much of a football buff, but watching last nights game it was apparent that Luke has a real bad habit of overthrowing recievers. Thats a good way to get alot of INT's and get alot of recievers killed. Add to that the fact that we don't really have much of an O-line (Sorry to those of you who thought we did, so did I at one time, we really don't) and Luke just panics when under pressure. Watch him and he stops looking downfield, then when he feels he has a big enough cushion he looks down field and lets one fly to the first gold helmet he finds. No directing traffic, no looking for the open reciever. At least two of the INT's, or near INT's that he threw last night he had Biggs WIDE OPEN and RIGHT NEXT to him with probably a 7+ yard run after an easy throw. What does he do? He trys to thread the needle into good coverage. Result of play is an incompletion at best. And think about this. Why is it that Getsy is getting alot of passing yards? Is it b/c he's throwing the right pass at the right time and getting the big downfield play? Or is it b/c were throwing the ball 45+ times a game and running alot of plays that require talented recievers to make good runs after the catch?

[RACER]

the out come of the game really didn't suprise me. cmu beat miami at home.they did lose to penn state.penn state destroyed minn ;which beat purdue.im not trying to compare scores all,but cmu is probably a better team than arkon. that and given the fact we came off big win last week usually means trouble. we need to win big next week.

no excuses!! if we can't beat ,or struggle against a terrible buffalo team we don't belong in 1-a. the biggest problem i see is we have is going to miami,and winning.we have never been able to do that. there is no reason to point fingers at any players.

if we can't run the ball, you can't blame getsy for that.it's amazing how a good running game ,and all of sudden the wr will be wide open.

the game is over. we need to move on ,and drill buffalo.

[GP1]

Getsy was part of the problem, but most of the blame for this game belongs to the offensive line. There were times during the game where defensive linemen ran by Akron's line like they were the scout team. Rarely during the second half did CMU have to rush more than four people because our line was so bad. What does that mean? Most of the time CMU had seven guys covering four receivers. You can do your own math as to why receivers were not available.

CK asked the question about whether we were out coached. In the coaching area (it's going to kill me to write what I am about to write..........did you hear the one about the..........I my as well just say it), we were certainly out coached. JD made a decision in the second half to abandon the run and pass almost entirely. I think he out thought himself last night. His offense is a running offense and he put that aside. Huge mistake. When we are involved in a game where we throw 57 times with this offense, we are going to lose. Don't forget that CMU's coach won two back-to-back national championships at Grand Valley State. A winner is a winner is a winner.

Let's get to some numbers because I think they prove the point that Getsy was not to only reason we lost last night and abandoning the running game was a mistake.

First, Getsy had a competion percentage the first three games of about 53%. Last night, his completion percentage was 52.6%. Hardly a difference. Were there some poor decisions on his part? Of course, but he did not lose the game. He still passed for 270 yards last night which is more than our average per game from last season. Enough with the hysteria about the guy already. He also appeared to have a right hand injury after one of his numerous sacks. That could explain over throwing receivers. Just ask Kurt Warner what a hand injury does to your career. It landed him in Arizona of all places. There is not a QB in the history of the school or maybe in the history of college football that could have avoided the rush in the second half last night.

Secondly, why take the ball out of the hands of your team's MVP for the past two seasons in the second half? Biggs averaged 4.9 yards per carry last night and rushed for 77 yards. 4.9 x 3 = 14.7. That's a lot of first downs. I noticed Biggs seemed a little banged up last night. Maybe that was a problem and if it is going to be a problem for the remainder of the season we are in big trouble.

What next? Well, the offensive line needs to get their asses in gear and start to play like they know what the Hell they are doing. I know they are inexperienced, but too damn bad, it's time to start playing football. Whenever you see the offensive linemen come off of the field throwing their helmets, you know they have lost their composure. They need to stop with the helmet throwing nonsense, act like men, figure out what the problems are and execute. I see guys throw helmets at high school football games. Unless we want to go back to the Owens years where it was like high school football, let's get our act together on the sidelines.

By the way, how come Heim never smells the field? One thing Marshall always did was field a huge mass of humanity in front of Limpwhich and Chad P. I think we need to consider some mass in front of the QB.

Secondly, and most importantly, Biggs-Biggs-Biggs and more Biggs. He has only been the best player on the team the last two seasons.

Thirdly, this is the second game in a row where receivers were wide open down the middle of the field. Last week it was the tight end and this week it was a wide out in trips. Enough of that already.

Lastly, there does not seem to be a leader(s) on the team. A good leader keeps the players focused each and every week. Since there is no leader on the field, the coaches are going to have to focus the team this week. When a coach focuses a team, it makes a long week for the players. Get ready to be worked into the ground Zips, you've earned it.

Losing last night puts the Zips into a horrible position in the MAC. They have to win out to win the MAC East. If they play like they did last night the remainder of the season, they may be looking at five wins total. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet though. It Getsy and Biggs are injured seriously, I will hold the towel in my hands next week.

[zipsbandman]

So does this mean we can quit the "when will JD leave" discussions? Clearly, he has a lot of work to do. Getsy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last night. It was disgusting. Since when did we decide that Biggs cannot run? We need to start pounding the ball and taking control of the games here. At least Sullivan got some reps last night. If we let Buffalo score more than a touchdown next week, it will be an embarrasment. If we fail to put more than 21 points on the board, it will be an embarrasment. You know what, let's just be thankful that we have Buffalo next week because this season has all the potential to get real ugly real fast. Aw geeez, I'm about ready to talk basketball on the Can't board cause we aint' beating BG or Miami on their turf, and that translates to another bowless season of Akron football.

[Big Zip]

Unfortunately I haven't been able to make it to a game this year as my wife an I welcomed our first child into the world a few weeks ago, but from listening to the game I would say JD was severly oucoached and Getsy played poorly. Mind you my view of the game is Frank Stams' view, but Frank seemed to think Getsy was pretty jittery in the back field and wasn't waiting long enough to get rid of the ball -- he was trying to avoid the sack and the expense of the play.

Interesting that GP1 brings up the CMU coach being a winner -- Stams mentioned it about a 1,000 times last night. It's an interesting concept to hire a guy who has coached before instead of someone getting their first crack at it. Not to say hiring JD was a bad decision, but one thing about CMU that hasn't krept into a line of reasoning yet is -- where did this team come from? This team was far worse off than Akron prior to their coaches arrival -- yet he seems to have turned this team around overnight. This is something that seems to happen in the MAC more often than nought, but Akron never seems to get on that bus.

What I'm afraid of? There appears to be another changing of the guard in the MAC and the Zips seem to be standing around with their thumbs up their proverbial asses watching others rise to the top -- forgetting their turn is up to them to take.

Hope this game wasn't a precursor of things to come -- being a fan of NE Ohio sports sucks. Every team in this region hurts you -- year in and year out. You wonder why people root for the Buckeyes in NE Ohio -- because they win and are competitive annually --- people in this area only have one team that provides them with that. This is why the folks didn't want to go to Indians games this year and look what they've done -- proved everyone right.

[zipper]

CMU's defense was keying on Biggs. I think we abandoned the run when it wasn't working...at all.

Did any of you visit NIU's website after we beat them? Full of self-flagellation. Fact is, we played and coached better than NIU that night. And last night, CMU played better and coached better than Akron.

It appears in the future there's going to be as much parity in football in the MAC as there is in basketball. We'd all better get used to it, including our players who seemed to think they were going to walk in and win just by showing up.

[Quickzips]

We never went to the run. Stop telling me we abandoned it. We threw 36 times in the first half 36. Good running football teams don't throw that much in an entire game. You can't give up on something you never tried. When we did run Biggs was pretty effective, but noone seemed to care.

[GP1]

Unfortunately I haven't been able to make it to a game this year as my wife an I welcomed our first child into the world a few weeks ago, but from listening to the game I would say JD was severly oucoached and Getsy played poorly.

Interesting that GP1 brings up the CMU coach being a winner -- Stams mentioned it about a 1,000 times last night.

Congratulations on your new baby! However, you are hereby sentenced to thirty hours of watching The Man Show and thirty hours of watching Married With Children. There is no reason for a man to miss a football game to sit at home with his wife just a few weeks after a delivery to listen to her bitch about hemorrhoids and her enormously large breasts. Come on Big Zip, it's football season already and unless you can squirt milk out of your chest, there is not much use for you around the house. I don't want to hear any storys about you changing diapers either.

I don't listen to the broadcast while I am at the game so I did not get to hear Stams. I will say this though. A guy who played professional football and at NDU when they won the National Championship understands the importance of winning or at least high expectations. It's all that matters.

Just a quick question though. Why is everyone so down on Getsy after one loss? Compared to last year's quarterback, his numbers are much better and nobody was ready to hang Frye (including me) when the Zips were 1-4 with losses to MTSU and NIU. I see Frye was at the game last night and the Zips lost........coincidence?

[Zipsrifle]

Congratulations on your new baby! However, you are hereby sentenced to thirty hours of watching The Man Show and thirty hours of watching Married With Children. There is no reason for a man to miss a football game to sit at home with his wife just a few weeks after a delivery to listen to her bitch about hemorrhoids and her enormously large breasts. Come on Big Zip, it's football season already and unless you can squirt milk out of your chest, there is not much use for you around the house. I don't want to hear any storys about you changing diapers either.

This one needs to go in the Hall of fame!

OK, just back from Ohio. I think GP1 said just about everything for me. I'm going to add that I just think Akron fans are now back to having to deal with an average MAC QB. Butchie and Charlie were really outstanding and have spoiled us for nearly a decade.

Getsy sucked last night, but he just doesn't have the composure of vision that Charlie had while running for his life. Key words here are "RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE". Seems to me that when he got flustered, he made bad decisions, hell I would. I put the blame squarely on the OL. We couldn't run the ball (Or didn't try) and Getsy was always under pressure. After 4 games it seems to me that Luke needs to get warmed up and get some confidence. JD did a good job at this at the beginning of the game, but when things started falling apart, so did Luke.

Why the hell don't we ever throw over the middle? Probably because if Getsy misses it'll be a interception or Hixon will be out for the year. They know we're going to throw on the outside or to Biggs! Kasparek and Jabari Haven't shown me a whole lot. Kaspareck is big, but he's slow and I don't remember any great catches. If Jabari is part of putting the "Best 11 players on the field" then we really do lack depth. Come ON Jabari, turn it ON, I know you've got the talent! Both are still young and hopefully they'll learn a lot this year. I can't complain about the D......they are better than they were in the past. I really think the lack of depth is huring us. We can get NO pressure on the QB in the 2nd half.

I'm suprised at the attitude on the board already. Hell, we're 2-2 with a win over NIU and MTSU. I figured we'd be at 1-3. I've been very impressed with the team except for last night. I think this may be a much needed wake up call for a young team. If we go into Buffalo next week playing like this, then I'll be ready to start screaming. If we were going to contend this year, then we should have blown CMU out of the water. We may have shaken off a lot of the LO legacy, but we still seem to be playing to the level of our competiton regardless of how good they are. We need to see how we bounce back against Buffalo. Need a big blowout to build confidence if we are going to have a chance in Oxford!

[GP1]

OK, just back from Ohio. I think GP1 said just about everything for me. I'm going to add that I just think Akron fans are now back to having to deal with an average MAC QB. Butchie and Charlie were really outstanding and have spoiled us for nearly a decade.

We have been dealing with good/average quarterbacks for the past decade. Numbers don't lie. So far, Getsy is playing better than both and he was average as well Saturday, and only so far Saturday ONLY.

In every statistical category, Getsy has outplayed Frye this season. Most importantly, he beat NIU and MTSU....two teams we LOST to last season. Not only did we lose to NIU last season, they made us their bitch......MTSU beats us at the Rubber Bowl. We played well against a Big Ten team this season, PSU and Virginia also made us their bitch last season. Our offensive line is much worse this season so you can't use that as an excuse for Frye's inability to win. Don't kid yourselves, Frye doesn't win that game Saturday. Do I really have to bring up the Can't game two years ago when Frye couldn't even get a first down at the end of the game?

I really don't understand why everyone is badmouthing Getsy and the same people thought Frye was a Heisman candidate last season. Let's at least have some intellectual honesty on this board. Frye won ONLY 19 D-1 games as starting QB.....spare us all the comments about him being the difference this season.

[Quickzips]

You want an excuse for why we sucked at the beginning of last season? How about a new coach working his first job as a head coach? How about a QB trying to learn an entirely new system with little to no experience at the WR position? I guess I must just be forgetting that we play the game on paper. Statistics don't mean piddly if you have no leadership skills. Thats what Frye brought to the table that I'm just not seeing from Getsy. Remember how we turned things around at the end of last year. That can be attributed to two things. Number one is that the team started to learn the system. Number two was that Charlie and other senior leaders took this team by the throat and said "damn it we don't wanna go out like this." I will gladly retract my statements about Luke if he steps up to the plate and takes this team by the reigns after this pathetic loss, and we come back with two good road games. If we continue to tank it then you can keep throwing all the statistics you want at me, none of them will matter.

[GP1]

You want an excuse for why we sucked at the beginning of last season?

Not really, but you already answered.

Believe me, the Charlie Frye excuse machine called Zipsnation.org will be spewing excuse after excuse for eternity for why he could not win. That is not my main point and I could really care less about Charlie Frye.

The point is that everyone is ready to throw Getsy overboard after one bad game. It's just wrong and silly at best. The guy performed very well the first three games and we should expect more of that type of play the remainder of the season and not what we saw Saturday. Turning on the guy now is just counterproductive.

I'm not certain how you can say Getsy is not a good leader. Good leadership breeds good results. Aside from last Saturday, the quarterback has produced this season in a huge way. I'm more interested to see how Getsy takes the criticism. I took a leadership class in college through my fraternity and one of the sayings I remember the most was, "Criticism is the price of leadership".

Statistics are also an important part of sports and should not be disregarded. The most important is winning which is completely measurable. So far, Getsy is doing well with that statistic. In order to evaluate a players performance, other measures must be taken as well. Looking at the QB, you have to look at things like completion percentage (the only statistic Frye is better than Getsy in so far), yards per game, touchdown passes vs. interceptions, yards per competed pass, etc. When you ignore the statistics in a comparison you are depending on circumstantial evidence to make your case, which ignores reason and lends itself to the black helicopter crowd.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Believe me, the Charlie Frye excuse machine called Zipsnation.org will be spewing excuse after excuse for eternity for why he could not win. That is not my main point and I could really care less about Charlie Frye.

Then why do you mention his name in essentially every post you've written in the past 2 years? It appears that, although you say "I could really care less about Charlie Frye", the fact is you could not care MORE about him. It boarders on an obsession. You need to let it go...let it go...but you just can't. I predict that, in your first 20 posts of 2009, 18 of them will mention Charlie Frye. Mark it down in your Outlook calendar.

[GP1]

Then why do you mention his name in essentially every post you've written in the past 2 years? It appears that, although you say "I could really care less about Charlie Frye", the fact is you could not care MORE about him. It boarders on an obsession. You need to let it go...let it go...but you just can't. I predict that, in your first 20 posts of 2009, 18 of them will mention Charlie Frye. Mark it down in your Outlook calendar.

I don't. Maybe if you said Brett Biggs you would be more accurate. I rarely bring up his name first. I just respond to others on the page. Mostly, I'm really pissed off at everyone bashing Getsy and the only way to respond is to compare him to past players we have all seen.

Would you rather I compare Getsy to Andy Kubik? That would make this page REAL fun.

[InTheZone]

Some of you talk about the Zips making you sick, well let me be honest, most of you make me sick. Last week you're asking how we can keep the next Urban Meyer, JD Brookhart in town, and this week you're talking about what a douche bag he is. Last week, you're saying Luke Getsy is the second coming of Joe Namath, and now he sucks.

Folks, in real life, sometimes things don't go as planned. These things happen in college football. It was ONE game. ONE. This is still the same team that played with Purdue, same team that dominated MTSU (who beat Vandy Saturday) and the same team that beat NIU. College kids are moody, they aren't professionals, and inevitably some weeks they are going to show up with the wrong attitude. This is in no way an indictment of the coach unless it happens on a consistent basis, which it certainly has not. And let me tell you guys something about Luke Getsy Saturday night. From the 2nd quarter on he was playing with a severely sprained thumb on his throwing hand. Now if I were the coach in that situation, I would go to our capable backup John Ferguson, but I respect the decision that was made to leave Getsy in. Just thought some of you that are gutting Getsy on here should know that. How after three straight games of +300 yards some of you could say the things you have about him is beyond me. Honestly, I believe the Zips would rather play in empty stadiums than for 10K fairweather fans and students that leave a close game at the end of the third quarter because the social event is pretty much over and it's time to party. THAT's what made me sick, not the play of the Zips.

[zipper]

Hear, Hear.

[GP1]

Some of you talk about the Zips making you sick, well let me be honest, most of you make me sick. Last week you're asking how we can keep the next Urban Meyer, JD Brookhart in town, and this week you're talking about what a douche bag he is. Last week, you're saying Luke Getsy is the second coming of Joe Namath, and now he sucks.

Folks, in real life, sometimes things don't go as planned. These things happen in college football. It was ONE game. ONE. This is still the same team that played with Purdue, same team that dominated MTSU (who beat Vandy Saturday) and the same team that beat NIU. College kids are moody, they aren't professionals, and inevitably some weeks they are going to show up with the wrong attitude. This is in no way an indictment of the coach unless it happens on a consistent basis, which it certainly has not. And let me tell you guys something about Luke Getsy Saturday night. From the 2nd quarter on he was playing with a severely sprained thumb on his throwing hand. Now if I were the coach in that situation, I would go to our capable backup John Ferguson, but I respect the decision that was made to leave Getsy in. Just thought some of you that are gutting Getsy on here should know that. How after three straight games of +300 yards some of you could say the things you have about him is beyond me. Honestly, I believe the Zips would rather play in empty stadiums than for 10K fairweather fans and students that leave a close game at the end of the third quarter because the social event is pretty much over and it's time to party. THAT's what made me sick, not the play of the Zips.

Excellent post ITZ, again. If you ever find out who I am, I'd be glad to buy you a beer at the end zone beer garden (is it really a garden if there are no plants growing in the area?). I thought I was the only one to have Getsy's back. Let's hope those injuries aren't too bad.

[RACER]

tone of the reasons for the turnaround last year was who we were playing. granted we were learning a new system with a new coaching staff. we also were playing ou, Can't, and ucf. three bad teams. when we played miami they ripped our defense apart.

we have ball state ,Can't,and ou at the end of the year.no reason we can not to the same thing again based on the competition. if we can beat buffalo, and army we have a shot at winning six to seven games;which is not bad nased on a rebuilding year.