I saw what I expected

[ZachTheZip]

While you enjoy paying your D-1A prices with only 3000-5000 people to watch a Zips game, our friends in Can't will be paying $5 with over 16,000 others to watch the Golden Flushes. They'll be laughing at us all year.

They can laugh all they want. Anything less than $18 is selling at a loss, and won't be made up through concessions or merchandise. They're killing themselves financially (even more than usual) in an attempt to keep within the NCAA attendance rules.

huh?

By your logic, selling at $54 will be 3x less of a loss!

It really doesn't make sense if demand isn't there to sell at $54, and the same is true for $18.

Example of reducing price to make more money below. It's called optimizing volume versus price.

4000 tickets at $18 yields $72,000

6500 tickets at $12 yields $78,000

By lowering prices significantly, you drew more fans and offset price with volume.

Not only could you make more money, but you create a real event experience which increases future demand.

You assume a demand for tickets. What if there are no more people who wanted to go to the game Saturday than those who showed up?

Exactly. No more fans would have shown up even if we lowered the price to $5 a ticket.

And Can't's pricing structure simply lowers the value of their product. If people pay $5 to see them, they see that it's worth less than a high school game, and so must not be as important as one or as exciting, or worth the trip.

I fully disagree...I know six people personally who planned to attend then changed their mind when they saw the price...SIX! If I know that many alone, imagine how many total.

Then they really did not want to go and were looking for an excuse for not going. Akron can't build its future on this fan.

Yes. If $20/person is too much to see a local team and a BCS team play in the nicest stadium in the state, they didn't really want to be there. I bet they would gladly pay per person at OSU what it would cost the entire group at Akron to watch a game.

[Zipmeister]

While you enjoy paying your D-1A prices with only 3000-5000 people to watch a Zips game, our friends in Can't will be paying $5 with over 16,000 others to watch the Golden Flushes. They'll be laughing at us all year.

They can laugh all they want. Anything less than $18 is selling at a loss, and won't be made up through concessions or merchandise. They're killing themselves financially (even more than usual) in an attempt to keep within the NCAA attendance rules.

huh?

By your logic, selling at $54 will be 3x less of a loss!

It really doesn't make sense if demand isn't there to sell at $54, and the same is true for $18.

Example of reducing price to make more money below. It's called optimizing volume versus price.

4000 tickets at $18 yields $72,000

6500 tickets at $12 yields $78,000

By lowering prices significantly, you drew more fans and offset price with volume.

Not only could you make more money, but you create a real event experience which increases future demand.

You assume a demand for tickets. What if there are no more people who wanted to go to the game Saturday than those who showed up?

Exactly. No more fans would have shown up even if we lowered the price to $5 a ticket.

And Can't's pricing structure simply lowers the value of their product. If people pay $5 to see them, they see that it's worth less than a high school game, and so must not be as important as one or as exciting, or worth the trip.

I fully disagree...I know six people personally who planned to attend then changed their mind when they saw the price...SIX! If I know that many alone, imagine how many total.

Then they really did not want to go and were looking for an excuse for not going. Akron can't build its future on this fan.

Yes. If $20/person is too much to see a local team and a BCS team play in the nicest stadium in the state, they didn't really want to be there. I bet they would gladly pay per person at OSU what it would cost the entire group at Akron to watch a game.

Under your scenario, I don't think the $20 ticket price would have as big an impact on demand as the drive to Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati.

[Big Zip]

I'm all for demanding more from the fans but I feel like some of those (not GP1) folks then aren't willing to demand more from the University. They want to jack up the prices put a damn product on the field that demands that kind of money. The product they are putting on the field right now may not even be worth the $5 admission prices suggested. I don't care if they are playing in my backyard....the price for what I saw Saturday night might have been too much if it were free.

As for the lack of willingness to run the program like more professionally that is also where I get bothered. The long walk up lines was disgraceful. I said to my wife as we walked in they needed to take a stack of GA tickets and send someone out side the ticket booth to sell them for cash just to alleviate the line. The concessions are very weak and the nicest thing I can say about them are the people running the stands are nice. The product is weak and there is not one things out of the ordinary. The team shop is pretty half assed at this point, but at least its open.

[ZIPFB#1]

I chuckle every time I start to read these post about ticket prices. You all think so small. Lowering ticket prices is not the answer. You need to win games. The people will come once that starts. I work at OSU. I get two season tickets a year. What I meant to say is ,I get the opportunity to purchase two season tickets a year.The price $1200, then you pay $20 to park EACH GAME! Do people pay...of course they do! Because they WANT to see the team at any price. But what I didn't mention..the person that bought my season tickets also paid $1000 extra dollars!, because he is willing to pay any price to see the game. This is the norm. I then took some of that $ and bought 4 season tickets to Akron. Everyone has so many excuses..if they really wanted to come, they will pay the price..bottom line. You built the stadium, now build the team..they will come.

[Zipsrifle]

I chuckle every time I start to read these post about ticket prices. You all think so small. Lowering ticket prices is not the answer. You need to win games. The people will come once that starts. I work at OSU. I get two season tickets a year. What I meant to say is ,I get the opportunity to purchase two season tickets a year.The price $1200, then you pay $20 to park EACH GAME! Do people pay...of course they do! Because they WANT to see the team at any price. But what I didn't mention..the person that bought my season tickets also paid $1000 extra dollars!, because he is willing to pay any price to see the game. This is the norm. I then took some of that $ and bought 4 season tickets to Akron. Everyone has so many excuses..if they really wanted to come, they will pay the price..bottom line. You built the stadium, now build the team..they will come.

Wonderful, another OSU person talking down to us telling us what we need to do. Thanks for the insight, I don't think anyone has thought about winning before. I'll send an e-mail to iCoach and cc You Tube Tom tomorrow and we'll fix that right away.

[Dave in Green]

Let's at least show ZN.O visitors from other schools that UA students and fans have a grasp of simple math. Nicely completed 12 passes in 35 attempts. That equals .34285714285714285714285714 etc., which rounds down to 34%. We all agree that the raw stat is not good. We disagree on how much is due to the QB and how much is due to the receivers, offensive line, coaching, etc. Everyone saw it a little differently and has different opinions, and some who didn't even see it seem to have stronger opinions than some who did see it. And isn't that what makes America so great?

[ZIPFB#1]

Your funny! As you can see I am going to the Akron games. I didn't mean to "talk down" to anyone. Just replying to the people who think the games prices should be $5 or free!

[Spin]

Everyone has so many excuses..if they really wanted to come, they will pay the price..bottom line. You built the stadium, now build the team..they will come.

You got that right. I didn't want to go. Because I knew full well I would just sit there and get ticked off all night, we would get embarassed, and

IT WASN'T WORTH IT.

Get a freakin clue.

I would pay that to see the soccer team play. I don't care who they are playing. THEY'RE WORTH IT. They're entertaining.

It's the fans who would pay anything to see anything as long as it's Zips Football, is the reason they don't care if they build a winner or not. They went to the Larry Dolan school of "Getting Rich off of Ignorant Fans".

[Big Zip]

You're a jackass. I didn't say it should be free....I'm telling you that is the quality of the product they put on the field on Saturday night. Have you heard the phrase we've up our standards so up yours....that is what I'm asking of the University football program. I don't want any bullshit we played hard or our guys executed well they were just overmatched. I want to see a program that wins football games and stops making excuses. Everything I've read this offseason from this administration has been it is going to take time. FU the good programs don't try to sell me on time they get out there and win football games. It usually starts with talented head coaches from solid programs not shitty BCS programs.

[ZIPFB#1]

Spin exactly what I was saying. Everyone is making excuses..go if you want..stay home if you want. But I will be there. My son is playing, and I won't miss a game.

[Spin]

Well you're in a different situation. You don't look at things the same way a lot of other people do.

[cornbread]

Well you're in a different situation. You don't look at things the same way a lot of other people do.

Well it was close....

Zipsnation.org poster SPIN WINS THE INTERNET FOR LABOR DAY 2010!!!!1!11! (Only he/she is allowed to click here so dont try it!)

Your steadfast raging on zipsnation.org all day long on Labor Day 2010 has finally been rewarded. Your loosely organized insights, post hoc arguments, and general anger towards the zips football program put you in a category of your own.

Good Show and congratulations on your win.

[bobbyake]

let the ugliness begin. I think I might stay away from the football boards for the entire season. It's only going to get uglier in here.

[bobbyake]

While you enjoy paying your D-1A prices with only 3000-5000 people to watch a Zips game, our friends in Can't will be paying $5 with over 16,000 others to watch the Golden Flushes. They'll be laughing at us all year.

They can laugh all they want. Anything less than $18 is selling at a loss, and won't be made up through concessions or merchandise. They're killing themselves financially (even more than usual) in an attempt to keep within the NCAA attendance rules.

huh?

By your logic, selling at $54 will be 3x less of a loss!

It really doesn't make sense if demand isn't there to sell at $54, and the same is true for $18.

Example of reducing price to make more money below. It's called optimizing volume versus price.

4000 tickets at $18 yields $72,000

6500 tickets at $12 yields $78,000

By lowering prices significantly, you drew more fans and offset price with volume.

Not only could you make more money, but you create a real event experience which increases future demand.

You assume a demand for tickets. What if there are no more people who wanted to go to the game Saturday than those who showed up?

Exactly. No more fans would have shown up even if we lowered the price to $5 a ticket.

And Can't's pricing structure simply lowers the value of their product. If people pay $5 to see them, they see that it's worth less than a high school game, and so must not be as important as one or as exciting, or worth the trip.

I fully disagree...I know six people personally who planned to attend then changed their mind when they saw the price...SIX! If I know that many alone, imagine how many total.

Then they really did not want to go and were looking for an excuse for not going. Akron can't build its future on this fan.

Yes. If $20/person is too much to see a local team and a BCS team play in the nicest stadium in the state, they didn't really want to be there. I bet they would gladly pay per person at OSU what it would cost the entire group at Akron to watch a game.

The only time I would ever go to an OSU game to watch football is if they were playing the Zips. I would rather go see Akron play than OSU any day.

[RootforRoo44]

Yes. If $20/person is too much to see a local team and a BCS team play in the nicest stadium in the state, they didn't really want to be there. I bet they would gladly pay per person at OSU what it would cost the entire group at Akron to watch a game.

The only time I would ever go to an OSU game to watch football is if they were playing the Zips. I would rather go see Akron play than OSU any day.

AMEN...what sort of lame person has such a need to cling to a winner and be a front runner like that? I'd rather root for the hometown team and the underdog over those Cowlumbus State "Nuts On Their Chests"

[Blue & Gold]

let the ugliness begin. I think I might stay away from the football boards for the entire season. It's only going to get uglier in here.

Well, at least next week should be fun.

[Blue & Gold]

While you enjoy paying your D-1A prices with only 3000-5000 people to watch a Zips game, our friends in Can't will be paying $5 with over 16,000 others to watch the Golden Flushes. They'll be laughing at us all year.

They can laugh all they want. Anything less than $18 is selling at a loss, and won't be made up through concessions or merchandise. They're killing themselves financially (even more than usual) in an attempt to keep within the NCAA attendance rules.

huh?

By your logic, selling at $54 will be 3x less of a loss!

It really doesn't make sense if demand isn't there to sell at $54, and the same is true for $18.

Example of reducing price to make more money below. It's called optimizing volume versus price.

4000 tickets at $18 yields $72,000

6500 tickets at $12 yields $78,000

By lowering prices significantly, you drew more fans and offset price with volume.

Not only could you make more money, but you create a real event experience which increases future demand.

You assume a demand for tickets. What if there are no more people who wanted to go to the game Saturday than those who showed up?

Exactly. No more fans would have shown up even if we lowered the price to $5 a ticket.

And Can't's pricing structure simply lowers the value of their product. If people pay $5 to see them, they see that it's worth less than a high school game, and so must not be as important as one or as exciting, or worth the trip.

I fully disagree...I know six people personally who planned to attend then changed their mind when they saw the price...SIX! If I know that many alone, imagine how many total.

Then they really did not want to go and were looking for an excuse for not going. Akron can't build its future on this fan.

Yes. If $20/person is too much to see a local team and a BCS team play in the nicest stadium in the state, they didn't really want to be there. I bet they would gladly pay per person at OSU what it would cost the entire group at Akron to watch a game.

The only time I would ever go to an OSU game to watch football is if they were playing the Zips. I would rather go see Akron play than OSU any day.

Amen!

I know who I am. I know where I'm from. And it's not Columbus.

[Blue & Gold]

Just now chiming in on Saturday's disappointment.

Just three thoughts.

1) Burn Georgio Bowers' redshirt this week. Get him on the field. Alex Allen doesn't hit the hole hard enough anymore and Nate Burney, while a good, hard runner, just isn't big enough.

2) Move Jalil Carter back to safety.

3) Burn Keith Sconiers' redshirt & get him on the field @ WR.

Oh, and one more...

4) Throw to the TE - since we've moved a couple of our best athletes to the position, might as well utilize 'em.

[Dr Z]

I like your thinking B&N. I'm not ready to start burning red shirts just yet, but I see where your coming from.

The board seemed to knee jerk reactionary to me to post this weekend.

I read a lot of good posts, but man there are some silly thoughts written.

I wish every post Sunday started off with, "This being iCoach's first game he EVER coached...."

Everybody needs to remember that. I'm encouraged what I saw defensively, and disappointed what I saw offensively.

Lets see what progress is made in the second, third, fourth game in iCoach's career before we all hang ourselves.

PS This Saturday's weather calls for 75 and partly cloudy. I'm all set to tailgate again.

[K-Roo]

I had to sit thru that and listen to my wife and two kids tell me "they're pathetic" and "what a waste of money this is" and how "it's the same every year." and "a high school team could beat the Zips."

I have season tickets so UA can count us for every game for this year... however, the wife and kids will probably not be coming along after that pitiful perfromance.

And I can't justify the expense next year... I was laid off two years ago and scrambled then. I was lucky and found work. This year my wife lost her job and we're scrambling again.

5 illegal formations in a row? C'mon.

on a funny note.... maybe we should join the NEW MAC FAR EAST Conference?

MAC - FAR EAST

[Blue & Gold]

I had to sit thru that and listen to my wife and two kids tell me "they're pathetic" and "what a waste of money this is" and how "it's the same every year." and "a high school team could beat the Zips."

I feel you pain; I hate those comments.

Over the last few years I've shied away from bringing (dragging) as many friends to the games as I used to. Under JD it got to be downright embarrassing.

[Zipsrifle]

I've got to admit I'm going to continue to throw money at this school for the foreseeable future. It is my Alma Mater and I feel that I can make a difference by putting 5+ butts in the stands every week. I'm a big believer in the impact a piecewise approach can have to something and one thing I can do to support this team is to show up every week, have a good time, and make a little noise. It's not easy to take people bashing your team, but when you believe in something, you'll put up with it. I consider myself a loyal guy, Akron is my school and I can't turn my back on them to cheer for a "Winner".

[Dave in Green]

I've got to admit I'm going to continue to throw money at this school for the foreseeable future. It is my Alma Mater and I feel that I can make a difference by putting 5+ butts in the stands every week. I'm a big believer in the impact a piecewise approach can have to something and one thing I can do to support this team is to show up every week, have a good time, and make a little noise. It's not easy to take people bashing your team, but when you believe in something, you'll put up with it. I consider myself a loyal guy, Akron is my school and I can't turn my back on them to cheer for a "Winner".

Some of the most profound words I've ever read on ZN.O. Extraordinarily well said.

[Big Zip]

Zipsrifle as upset as I am at how the program is run I too continue to purchase my seats. I do wonder if my support though is part of the problem considering I continue to throw good money after bad. I'm sure once again by the end of the season I will be at the games by myself (wife and daughter will be home). The true test will be when my dad stops going with me which may be the final two games this year.

[MaxZIP]

Zipsrifle as upset as I am at how the program is run I too continue to purchase my seats. I do wonder if my support though is part of the problem considering I continue to throw good money after bad. I'm sure once again by the end of the season I will be at the games by myself (wife and daughter will be home). The true test will be when my dad stops going with me which may be the final two games this year.

You can come and sit by me.