Is it Matt Rogers time in Akron?

[skip-zip]

People look at stats and see what they want to see. If you don't like the QB, it is low-hanging fruit to point to his completion percentage and say the guy sucks.

Game's #1 and #2, we had ZERO WR's that could shake their DB. No one was open. Ever. Beyond that, Nicely often ran for his life.

Game #3 saw the first signs of improvement in the WR group. They actually began separating from the DB's. Unfortunately, Nicely missed his mark several times...and the open WR's dropped balls multiple times.

If the WR's start catching balls, we will move the chains. If they continue dropping them, we won't. And changing the QB won't help.

If the WR's continue to get open, and Nicely misses them...and it continues for another game or two, then he gets a seat on the bench. But be prepared for the INT count to rise dramatically. Rodgers throws a lot of them. And good luck banking on a running QB with that big ankle brace. It is a major disaster waiting to happen.

How would Charlie Frye's numbers look throwing to LaFrance, Pride and Russell... as opposed to Cherry, Sparks and Irvin? Identical?

Lets hope the "disaster" is what we are seeing right now, and it will only get better.

Again, I am not saying that Schilz is great, or Dysert is great, or Keith is great. Stats certainly don't tell the whole story, I agree. But, all of these QBs deal with dropped passes and receivers not getting open as well. I'm merely questioning how we're evaluating our own performances in light of how other MAC QBs are being critically evaluated for far better performances under similar circumstances, similar experience levels, and similar competition.

I'm not a Rodgers fan. I see no potential for greatness in him, and I've made that pretty clear. But, I do see that he can possibly add some things that could give us a better chance to have some level of success offensively right now. I join you in your concern over his tendency to throw picks. And after what Zipseuph revealed to us, I question whether his knee is anywhere near 100% healthy as well.

[zipsfan33]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

[Dr Z]

I'm not a Rodgers fan.

I'm not either, but if I thought he could come in and change what is going on, I would be. I'm just sure that is not the case, so it's not an issue for me.

[Buckzip]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

I think we beat GW with Manning... Remember, I said "I think".

[skip-zip]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

I think we beat GW with Manning... Remember, I said "I think".

I agree. In fact, I will go one step further and say "pretty sure"

[zipsfan33]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

I think we beat GW with Manning... Remember, I said "I think".

I agree. In fact, I will go one step further and say "pretty sure"

OK OK With Peyton Manning we probably could have yes...what was I thinking??

[Jalapeño Zippy]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

I think we beat GW with Manning... Remember, I said "I think".

I agree. In fact, I will go one step further and say "pretty sure"

OK OK With Peyton Manning we probably could have yes...what was I thinking??

I on the other hand 100% doubt it. Peyton would have been crippled by now with our drunken style of O-line play.

[zipsfan33]

It was said best long ago on this topic...wait until conference play to see what we have. It's true PN7 has not looked good at all, but he isn't throwing INT's (Browns QBs). So if this contines 2 or 3 games into the MAC campaign then by all means pull him! However, Akron is going nowhere and Matt Rodgers, PN7, or Peyton Manning is not gonna save this team!

I think we beat GW with Manning... Remember, I said "I think".

I agree. In fact, I will go one step further and say "pretty sure"

OK OK With Peyton Manning we probably could have yes...what was I thinking??

I on the other hand 100% doubt it. Peyton would have been crippled by now with our drunken style of O-line play.

My favorite line from ICoach's Monday night coach's show on 1350 " I'm not worried about Indiana, I'm worried about Akron and fixing what's wrong with Akron!" I assume he means the football team?????

[Dr Z]

My favorite line from ICoach's Monday night coach's show on 1350 "I'm not worried about Indiana, I'm worried about Akron and fixing what's wrong with Akron."

He is correct in saying that. We need to fix major areas of concern, not minor tweaks. IMO, we need to fix the offensive line play, defensive secondary and the wide receiver group. Those three areas have been grading below average each week. We need them to improve before we start to scheme against other teams. I hope practices are focused on such problem areas.

[zipsfan33]

My favorite line from ICoach's Monday night coach's show on 1350 "I'm not worried about Indiana, I'm worried about Akron and fixing what's wrong with Akron."

He is correct in saying that. We need to fix major areas of concern, not minor tweaks. IMO, we need to fix the offensive line play, defensive secondary and the wide receiver group. Those three areas have been grading below average each week. We need them to improve before we start to scheme against other teams. I hope practices are focused on such problem areas.

Oh I tottaly agree... Ive had season tickets to this Akron team since 1990 and while we have seen some bad teams... I really think this is the worst one I have seen over 3 games by far. Its not a quick fix, but it needs a major rehaul for sure!

[Dave in Green]

..... I'm not a Rodgers fan. I see no potential for greatness in him, and I've made that pretty clear. But, I do see that he can possibly add some things that could give us a better chance to have some level of success offensively right now. I join you in your concern over his tendency to throw picks. And after what Zipseuph revealed to us, I question whether his knee is anywhere near 100% healthy as well.

Skip, this is the part I don't get. You say you're not a Rodgers fan, you're concerned with his tendency to throw interceptions, and you question how his recovering knee would affect his running. So, given Rodgers' weaknesses, exactly what "things" does Rodgers have that would give the Zips "a better chance to have some level of success offensively right now" than Nicely?

Neither Nicely nor Rodgers have shown potential greatness. Neither has really shown anything to suggest that they could lead the current Zips team to anything better than a .500 record in the MAC at best. It seems to me that we're pretty much down to the point of picking which one of them is most likely to develop into a more effective MAC QB within the confines of the Zips current offensive scheme. Since some QBs develop their full potential more slowly than others, once the choice is made, I think you pretty much have to ride that choice until it becomes painfully obvious to everyone that it either is or isn't going to work out.

The coaching staff obviously believes Nicely is the best choice under the above parameters, even if only by a small margin. What specifically do some of the fans here see that the coaches are missing?

[Captain Kangaroo]

My favorite line from ICoach's Monday night coach's show on 1350 "I'm not worried about Indiana, I'm worried about Akron and fixing what's wrong with Akron."

He is correct in saying that. We need to fix major areas of concern, not minor tweaks. IMO, we need to fix the offensive line play, defensive secondary and the wide receiver group. Those three areas have been grading below average each week. We need them to improve before we start to scheme against other teams. I hope practices are focused on such problem areas.

Oh I tottaly agree... Ive had season tickets to this Akron team since 1990 and while we have seen some bad teams... I really think this is the worst one I have seen over 3 games by far. Its not a quick fix, but it needs a major rehaul for sure!

In my book, no team compares to the one Faust left Owens. We played YSU, and they dwarfed us size-wise. Junko was a 187lb starting OLB.

This team has much more talent and size. But if they get the elusive 0 - 12, I'll concede your point.

[skip-zip]

..... I'm not a Rodgers fan. I see no potential for greatness in him, and I've made that pretty clear. But, I do see that he can possibly add some things that could give us a better chance to have some level of success offensively right now. I join you in your concern over his tendency to throw picks. And after what Zipseuph revealed to us, I question whether his knee is anywhere near 100% healthy as well.

Skip, this is the part I don't get. You say you're not a Rodgers fan, you're concerned with his tendency to throw interceptions, and you question how his recovering knee would affect his running. So, given Rodgers' weaknesses, exactly what "things" does Rodgers have that would give the Zips "a better chance to have some level of success offensively right now" than Nicely?

Neither Nicely nor Rodgers have shown potential greatness. Neither has really shown anything to suggest that they could lead the current Zips team to anything better than a .500 record in the MAC at best. It seems to me that we're pretty much down to the point of picking which one of them is most likely to develop into a more effective MAC QB within the confines of the Zips current offensive scheme. Since some QBs develop their full potential more slowly than others, once the choice is made, I think you pretty much have to ride that choice until it becomes painfully obvious to everyone that it either is or isn't going to work out.

The coaching staff obviously believes Nicely is the best choice under the above parameters, even if only by a small margin. What specifically do some of the fans here see that the coaches are missing?

Come on Dave! If sports fans trusted the decisions of our coaches, you'd take away most of the things we like to complain about.

[Dave in Green]

Come on Dave! If sports fans trusted the decisions of our coaches, you'd take away most of the things we like to complain about.

Especially those fans who didn't approve of the coach selection in the first place. OK, I get it!

[skip-zip]

Come on Dave! If sports fans trusted the decisions of our coaches, you'd take away most of the things we like to complain about.

Especially those fans who didn't approve of the coach selection in the first place. OK, I get it!

Even though I had concerns about his qualifications, I wasn't openly critical of his hiring. But some things that have happened since that time have been troubling to me.

Lets just hope things turn for the better from here.