RootforRoo44 Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 I have to say, ITZ's first comment was in no way racist. Politically incorrect yes, but racist no (either way it'd be culturist if anything). The fact is, in today's world, teams/organizations are forced to interview minority HC candidates just to cover their a$$es. It's wrong but it's definitely happening and you're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise. I dont know if that is what Pitt is doing, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was. *edit* looking back, for some reason I thought ITZ said that Haywood "got the interview" because of his skin tone, not "got hired because of it". I still dont think ITZ was being any bit racist but I will be first (or 7th) to say he's wrong. How did I know RootforRoo would come to his defense? Because, R4R isn't one to jump on the lynch mob over someone stating something that is partially true. We live in a world where "racism" only exists coming from whites. The real wrong here (besides ITZ most likely being wrong on the reason Pitt hired Haywood) is the fact that what ITZ is saying actually happens in the sporting world and real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 ITZ, your exact words were: "Haywood got that job because of his skin tone." That's a pretty definitive statement, and one that you can't possibly know to be true. But why even bring it up? It just begs to be countered by the history of all the white coaches over the decades who got their jobs because of their skin tone. Skin color has always been a fact of life in football coaching to varying degree, from the days of "whites only" to the days of enforced anti-discrimination. As far as your stereotyping of guilt-ridden white guys, I earned my street creds in rural Louisiana in the late '60s and early '70s when there were still Jim Crow laws on the books. I spent a lot of time hanging out with blacks in public, which eventually came to the attention of the local chapter of the KKK. I received a warning from a third party that I'd been targeted by the KKK, and the message was that if I didn't move my butt out of that little town fast that something bad was going to happen to me. A week later a massive fire started under mysterious circumstances in the apartment complex where I lived. Again, word came to me through a third party that the KKK was pissed because they torched the wrong apartment, and the fire just missed my unit. I vividly recall sitting in the fire chief's office telling him about the threat from the KKK. That silver-haired southern gentleman smiled, told me he was certain that the KKK had nothing to do with it, and proceded to lecture me about how misunderstood the KKK was and how much good they had done for folks over the years. I just shook my head and walked out, thinking every city official in that little town probably felt the same way and there was no hope of justice. Then I got a call from the FBI, who wanted to meet with me. In our meeting they said they had been monitoring the local KKK chapter because it was more active than others, and they had evidence of a number of incidents for which they planned to bust that chapter. They said what I told them fit in with other information they had, thanked me, and told me not to tell anyone I had spoken with them. I can't say what eventually happened, because that very week I received a job offer in California and moved out there within days. So, yes, I do have a history of being sensitive to racist comments and racist actions, and with good cause, including much more than just this one incident. There are still plenty of racists today, and many of them use the same type of wording that appeared in your initial post. However, in your second post you try to clarify that you did not intend for your words to convey a racist message. As I've said before on this forum, I take a man at his word unless there's compelling evidence to prove otherwise. If you agree that it's fair to have rules to protect otherwise qualified candidates from being excluded for consideration solely on the basis of their skin color, and that skin color was not the primary consideration for Pitt selecting a highly qualified coach, then you and I have no disagreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornbread Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 This racist stuff is annoying. Can't wait for a time when a football coach is just a football coach. Please help me to bring about this dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I married a female wife. But I am still sexist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 So much for that. Haywood held in jail without bond. Those former Notre Dame guys sure hold some dark secrets. Oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 So much for that. Haywood held in jail without bond. Those former Notre Dame guys sure hold some dark secrets. Oh wait... Well, no doubt the charges will be thrown out, considering the black racist nature of the American criminal justice system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 So much for that. Haywood held in jail without bond. Those former Notre Dame guys sure hold some dark secrets. Oh wait... Well, no doubt the charges will be thrown out, considering the black racist nature of the American criminal justice system. Of course. update. What a scumbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Haywood is done. Hope Pitt saved the applications...time to reach out to the #2 candidate. Ditka is a Pitt alum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Haywood is done. Yep. I don't see how Pitt can keep him or why they would want to keep him. This is a stupid, stupid, stupid man. Two things....First, don't get jailed the Friday before a holiday weekend. There are no judges around to hear your case so you sit in jail all weekend in the drunk tank. Second, when you come into around $1.0 million, let your lawyers talk to your baby momma/baby momma's lawyers. You can afford the lawyers now. He had to know this woman was going to try to shake him down when his salary went from $175,000 to whatever it is a Pitt. Actually, this is a good demonstration case for how insane some college football coaches are. They live in a strange world where it is encouraged that you be a prick. They also live in a world where it is encouraged to work 24/7. That is not natural or even good for the people doing it. This guy is a prick and it worked at Miami on the football field. Being a prick didn't work off the field in this case. Some of these guys can't turn it off...see the coach of the Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Pitt fires new coach Haywood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Pitt fires new coach Haywood That's a very sad situation. Pitt AD Peterson really had no choice once the charge was upgraded to a felony. I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson go soon either. I guess this probably means Latina will likely stay at UA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Can people please stop hiring these ex-Notre Dame coaches. Really hasn't been working out so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Can people please stop hiring these ex-Notre Dame coaches. Really hasn't been working out so well. It will continue to not work out well. The Charlie Weis tree is not successful. In fact, basing who you hire on which "coaching tree" they come from is asking for disaster. Just because you learned from a master does not make you a master as well. Weis was hired to be the OC at Florida next season. That train wreck should be interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Weis was hired to be the OC at Florida next season. That train wreck should be interesting to watch. I'm not sure if Todd Haley or Bill Belichick would agree with you on this. Charlie may have failed as a HC, but he clearly knows a little about being a successful OC. And in a place like UF, he'll be able to have the talent needed to make the pro-style offense work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 There is an important lesson to be learned by all from this episode. Don't be shoven yo baby's momma even if she deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 There is an important lesson to be learned by all from this episode.How about, don't post that a certain coach is leaving our team and a certain coach is coming until you can actually prove it, instead of posting a bunch of rumors from unreliable sources. Somehow I think that lesson will be lost by some....AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Things are so bad at Pitt right now that a lot of their fans on message boards are calling for them to hire JD Brookhart as the new HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 The revolving door at Pitt continues to spin. The Panthers will now search for their 4th head coach in the last 13 months Simply amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 The revolving door at Pitt continues to spin. The Panthers will now search for their 4th head coach in the last 13 months Simply amazing. If I read a previous article correctly this assures that Johnson will be out of a job at ucla. Could get interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguins Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Absolutely crazy! I do not see how he deserved the Arizona St. job after just one mediocre season at Pitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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