ZachTheZip Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I know, I know. But when i saw this, I had to wonder. is McNees better off at the two and Abreu dishing it to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Congrats to AA, it's obvious he has a bright future with the Zips. It's KD's job to figure out how to use Steve and AA against the particular team we are playing at the time to give us the best chance to WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpsjugglerdude Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 This should not be a topic in Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I know, I know. But when i saw this, I had to wonder. is McNees better off at the two and Abreu dishing it to him? Will he also break the freshman turnover record? He has the most on the team. My point is, both numbers have a lot to do with his extensive freshman playing time, although I think he'll do a lot for us in the coming years. Our best chances of winning a title are with McNees and Roberts in the backcourt, same as it's been for the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zip37 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'll go with whomever KD puts there, I know that he knows more about basketball and coaching it than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Abreu, a native of Bayamon, Puerto Rico, recorded his 91st assists of the season on a jumper by senior forward Brett McKnight at the 12:05 mark of the first half. He passed Russell Brown (90, 1983-84) and Pete Carillo (90, 1979-80) for the top freshman mark. I'm a little surprised The Cricket wasn't the previous record holder. I thought he'd played a lot of minutes as a FR ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Abreu, a native of Bayamon, Puerto Rico, recorded his 91st assists of the season on a jumper by senior forward Brett McKnight at the 12:05 mark of the first half. He passed Russell Brown (90, 1983-84) and Pete Carillo (90, 1979-80) for the top freshman mark. I'm a little surprised The Cricket wasn't the previous record holder. I thought he'd played a lot of minutes as a FR ?? McLaughlin became a starter during his freshman season, but I don't know how his minutes would compare to Alex. He was pretty much a part of a 3 guard rotation from that point forward, along with Dowdell and Loyer. Dowling still got some minutes in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 It's not an either/or with McNees and Rico. With two players fully capable of playing effective PG, KD has lots of flexibility with the guard situation in each game. At 31.8 minutes per game, McNees is averaging more PT than any Zips player since Dials averaged 32.0 minutes per game in the 2007-08 season. So McNees' PT is going to overlap Abreu's PT (19.9 minutes per game) during the course of a 40-minute game. At times during each game I expect Rico will play the 1 with McNees or Roberts at the 2. At other times I expect to see McNees at the 1 and Roberts at the 2. Rico's assist percentage is about twice as good as McNees', while McNees' turnover percentage is about twice as good as Rico's. There will be times in each game when one is more important than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gczip22 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. both guard spots defend...Abreu does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 The current rotation is working. Steve starts the game at PG, Alex comes off the bench. We went to this a few games back and the rotation is working for us. Until further notice, that is the platoon. Stop over-analyzing it and enjoy the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. both guard spots defend...Abreu does not And your opinion is based on what facts? ## SUMMARY GP-GS Min FG% 3PT% FT% R/G A/G STL BLK PTS/G ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 MCNEES, Steve....... 25-25 31.8 .332 .309 .685 2.4 2.7 22 2 8.7 11 ABREU, Alex......... 25-15 19.9 .352 .329 .740 1.5 3.6 36 2 6.5 Let's compare our two point guards statistically. Abreu plays less minutes yet has the same number of blocked shots as Steve even though Alex is 5'-9" and Steve is 6'-2". Alex has THIRTY-SIX steals even though he plays no defense. Steve has twenty-two steals on the season. Alex has far more assists than Steve does. Why is that? Could it be that Alex is actually a true point guard while Steve, bless his heart, is a two guard pressed into service as a point? Alex has better free throw AND three point percentages. Maybe we should move Alex to the two. Oh, and Alex flat out has a better shooting percentage than Steve has. Here is what Steve has: Steve is an experienced fifth year senior who has game and leaves it all out on the floor. Steve would play the small forward, oh, wait, in the past Steve has played some minutes in the three hole. Steve can be relied on to settle down the offense. Steve is adequate as a point guard. In closing minutes of a game Steve can handle the ball even though his abilities to finish a possession with a score is below average. So, let Steve handle the ball until there is ten seconds on the clock then pass the ball to Alex to finish the job. Just think of how good Alex would be if he could only defend better. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Abreu, a native of Bayamon, Puerto Rico, recorded his 91st assists of the season on a jumper by senior forward Brett McKnight at the 12:05 mark of the first half. He passed Russell Brown (90, 1983-84) and Pete Carillo (90, 1979-80) for the top freshman mark. I'm a little surprised The Cricket wasn't the previous record holder. I thought he'd played a lot of minutes as a FR ?? McLaughlin became a starter during his freshman season, but I don't know how his minutes would compare to Alex. He was pretty much a part of a 3 guard rotation from that point forward, along with Dowdell and Loyer. Dowling still got some minutes in there too. Thanks, Skip! I definitely recall Loyer playing a lot at the point against Michigan in the '86 NCAAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejcool27 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 When Alex started we lost....When Steve and D. Rob start we win....There is a reason we are not the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. In this case, it's better to rely on the stats than on your impressions from watching them play. Rico is taking more shots per minute of PT than McNees: McNees -- 202 FG attempts in 796 minutes = .254 FG attempts per minute played Abreu -- 145 FG attempts in 497 minutes = .292 FG attempts per minute played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipgal Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 When Alex started we lost....When Steve and D. Rob start we win....There is a reason we are not the coach Well the last teams beat were against Mac West where we are obviously superior to them. You can't compare beginning of the season to now, talk about teams specifically and what these 2 players have done. Steve always has started and never comes out, barely. How bout showing us a lil less Steve and mixing it up for real. Let me be the Assistant Coach!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipgal Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. both guard spots defend...Abreu does not And your opinion is based on what facts? ## SUMMARY GP-GS Min FG% 3PT% FT% R/G A/G STL BLK PTS/G ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 MCNEES, Steve....... 25-25 31.8 .332 .309 .685 2.4 2.7 22 2 8.7 11 ABREU, Alex......... 25-15 19.9 .352 .329 .740 1.5 3.6 36 2 6.5 Let's compare our two point guards statistically. Abreu plays less minutes yet has the same number of blocked shots as Steve even though Alex is 5'-9" and Steve is 6'-2". Alex has THIRTY-SIX steals even though he plays no defense. Steve has twenty-two steals on the season. Alex has far more assists than Steve does. Why is that? Could it be that Alex is actually a true point guard while Steve, bless his heart, is a two guard pressed into service as a point? Alex has better free throw AND three point percentages. Maybe we should move Alex to the two. Oh, and Alex flat out has a better shooting percentage than Steve has. Here is what Steve has: Steve is an experienced fifth year senior who has game and leaves it all out on the floor. Steve would play the small forward, oh, wait, in the past Steve has played some minutes in the three hole. Steve can be relied on to settle down the offense. Steve is adequate as a point guard. In closing minutes of a game Steve can handle the ball even though his abilities to finish a possession with a score is below average. So, let Steve handle the ball until there is ten seconds on the clock then pass the ball to Alex to finish the job. Just think of how good Alex would be if he could only defend better. Right. This is true, Alex might make some decisions like passing when he should shoot. Hes a freshman and if you ask me, he is one of the best decisions the Coach came down to. Now, he has spark, and for those who say he can't play defense. Well I don't know what you're talking about. Keep that comment on the low. Alex should be PG and that's that. And everyone's right when they say he has a BRIGHT future as a ZIPS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipgal Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. In this case, it's better to rely on the stats than on your impressions from watching them play. Rico is taking more shots per minute of PT than McNees: McNees -- 202 FG attempts in 796 minutes = .254 FG attempts per minute played Abreu -- 145 FG attempts in 497 minutes = .292 FG attempts per minute played First the freshman AA gets compared to Humpty and now to a five year senior McNees, my thoughts are on who will be next year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 When Alex started we lost....When Steve and D. Rob start we win....There is a reason we are not the coach Sorry, I can not recall a single loss that can be laid on Alex. The team loses; not a freshman guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Point Guards pass the ball. Shooting Guards shoot the ball. McNees doesn't get assists, but shoots the ball quite often. Rico doesn't shoot too much but does get assists. In this case, it's better to rely on the stats than on your impressions from watching them play. Rico is taking more shots per minute of PT than McNees: McNees -- 202 FG attempts in 796 minutes = .254 FG attempts per minute played Abreu -- 145 FG attempts in 497 minutes = .292 FG attempts per minute played Dave, an intesting set of stats. So, do we prod Steve to shoot more often or put the clamps on Alex? Based on Alex's feild goal percentage I think we can safely conclude that Alex can continue to shoot the rock. Frankly, I would love to see Steve shoot the ball more often. Now your stat is slightly skewed as Steve is finally comfortable playing at the shooting guard. Thus, Steve is shooting the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 The current rotation is working. Steve starts the game at PG, Alex comes off the bench. We went to this a few games back and the rotation is working for us. Until further notice, that is the platoon. Stop over-analyzing it and enjoy the results. I don't think a "platoon" situation quite explains it now. It appears that that Abreu's role has been reduced to nearly a "give a starter some rest" role. And I think it's for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipgal Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 When Alex started we lost....When Steve and D. Rob start we win....There is a reason we are not the coach Sorry, I can not recall a single loss that can be laid on Alex. The team loses; not a freshman guard. Well said. Its all about being a team, I saw them play at Temple and I said this team is lacking that feeling that team feeling. You the bench quiet dudes. You need everyone to be together! And TOGETHER is how winning is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I agree that the team wins and loses games, not one individual. But it's also true that certain combinations of players tend to give the team better chances of winning at certain times, and the combination changes from game to game and even during certain times of each game. The coach earns his salary by determining which combination of players works best in different games and at different times. Players also tend to run hot and cold. Even the most reliable players have good and bad games. For example, it's true that McNees has started taking more shots in recent games than earlier in the season, and that he's also starting to hit at a higher percentage rate. The missing stat that would tell an interesting story is how McNees' shooting compares when he's playing the 2 spot as opposed to the 1. My impression is that McNees pulls the trigger pretty quickly when he's open. I know I've seen him fire up some long 3s while playing the point when his defender plays too loose. Anyway, it all makes for interesting discussion. We all watch the games and we all see slightly different things. I like to check what I think I've seen against the hard, cold stats to see if I've missed something. In many cases I find that I have missed something. At the same time, I would feel uncomfortable trying to judge a player or a team only from stats. I want to also see what's happening to see if I can pick up the intangibles. I think that Rico has huge intangibles, such as the way he got into Randy Davis' head in the Ball State game. That can be incredibly disruptive to an entire team's offensive effort when you rattle their PG. I think before the season is over that we'll see Rico play a big role in more than one game. The Zips' guard rotation is getting stronger with each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoZips94 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 If it's not broken, don't try to fix it. We are winning now. Don't touch a thing except for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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