NCAA Gets Investigated by Media

[GP1]

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[Hilltopper]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

[GP1]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

Did you watch the Frontline story?

[Hilltopper]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

Did you watch the Frontline story?

No, I didn't watch.

[Hilltopper]

OK, I watched the Fronline video. It still doesn't answer my question about this years Zips seniors. I do agree with the class action lawsuit. I've stayed out of the OSU/Tressel debate, but I think the players should have been able to sell their souvenirs. Once someone gave them those items, it became their personal property and they should have the right to do with it as they please. If they don't want them to sell the trinkets, they shouldn't be given until after they leave school.

[ZachTheZip]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

Tim Carroll is a Graduate Assistant. How does that work if he never graduated?

[meatwad]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

Tim Carroll is a Graduate Assistant. How does that work if he never graduated?

He also wasn't on scholarship... not sure if that played into it.

[ZachTheZip]

So Akron has a 0% graduation rate for black basketball players last season. Brett McKnight and Darryl Roberts aren't going to graduate?

Tim Carroll is a Graduate Assistant. How does that work if he never graduated?

He also wasn't on scholarship... not sure if that played into it.

They never mentioned being on scholarship as factoring into it. So they're either wrong, or being intentionally misleading.

Last year, TC graguated, but Chris McKnight and Jimmy Conyers went to Europe to play as professionals. We only has two seniors on scholarship, and both were good enough to become pros. We had some players transfer out, in good academic standing, to schools where they will almost certainly graduate from in time.

I think they're intentionally leaving out important details to make a point, at our expense.

[Dave in Green]

The Frontline story pales in comparison with the bombshell HBO is going to drop tonight. More info in the Potential College Football Scandal thread.

[Dave in Green]

On UA's graduation rate for African-American Basketball Student-Athlete, since that's the only 0 for any school in any column on that chart, I'm guessing it was a typo. If the number is as incorrect as we all seem to believe, it would be smart for someone at UA to call the phone number listed on the study and get it corrected. Akron should not be the poster boy for this problem, and it could become one if sports writers looking at this study single UA out for the worst performance of any school.

[GP1]

I do agree with the class action lawsuit.

I like the suit as well and I think people at the NCAA have to be making a little bit of a poo about it in their pants. The argument the NCAA can make is, "Well, they made the deal. Now they have to live with it." That's a terrible argument. They make the deal because they have no other good choice and are basically forced into being labor in a monopoly. Their choices were very similar to choices give to Native Americans in the 1800s:

Native American Option 1: Go live on a reservation where you really don't want to live and will barely be able to make a living.

Native American Option 2: Get in a line and we will gun all of you down.

Option 1 doesn't sound so bad after being presented with Option 2.

Early in the Frontline piece, the President of the NCAA says something that I have said all along and it goes to the heart of the future of college athletics. The President specifically states that the NCAA is a "voluntary organization". My advice to the President of the NCAA would be, don't remind the BCS level schools that they don't really need you and the schools are free to go elsewhere, including starting their own association. You need them Mr. President, they don't need you.

If the big schools left the NCAA, their athletes wouldn't have to abide with the NCAA's 480 page manual. Let me repeat that....480 pages. Again...480 pages. One more time just in case you didn't hear it.....480 pages. Are they college students or lawyers? It's no wonder they are all walking NCAA violations. With that many rules, they must be breaking one at all times. It's no wonder the NCAA is the bloated bureaucracy it is...they need that amount of staff to police the petty rules they force on schools.

[GP1]

Nothing really new on the HBO show last night. Guys not graduating is not news. Guys getting paid is not news. Guys getting sex during recruiting visits is not news...that was going on in the 80s at Akron when I was in school. There was more indepth analysis related to corruption. It was funny to watch Rich Rod try to glorify the NCAA and what the schools are trying to do...clearly he wants to coach again and couldn't say anything to get in the way of that happening.

Billy Packer was 1950s guy. Sort of pathetic in a lot of ways.

Jason W. was the journalist laughing at 1950s guy.

The best guy on the show was the commissioner of the Ivy League. The only guy who talked about the future of big time college athletics beyond paying people. For a long time now, being the visionary the Great GP1 is, I've been telling you guys that there needs to be a separate level of DI sports where you have a certain number of teams at the top and they have their own league. Everyone said, "But GP1, that's a stupid idea. Nobody will do that. It will kill the NCAA." The Ivy League guy brought up this very point. He said there should be around 60 teams that are "just different" from the rest. Packer talked about it as well toward the end of the program. I told you guys this was being talked about and will be here before too long. If the NCAA loses the lawsuits they are in, it may come sooner than later.

The NCAA doesn't need to try to make the lower level conferences equal to the bigger conferences. They wouldn't know what to do once they got there. Another level is needed. Right now, UofA needs to be talking about what they will do when higher level of college football was created and we are not (we won't be) included. I know this is going to hurt the feelings of a lot of you, but hiding heads in the sand and pretending things are different than they really are got the MAC and worse yet, Akron, into a difficult situation. This situation is real and coming our direction. Clearly it is being talked about in other circles or the Ivy League Commissioner would not have brought it up. What do we do? I'd like to hear from some of the smarter posters on the board about it....the list includes, but is not limited to DrZ, Cap. K, Zip Watcher, ZipsWin!, JZ84, Z.I.P., InTheZone and where the heck has Z-P been. If you are a smart poster, but not listed, please comment. If you are a stupid poster, please don't post.

[lance99]

Nothing really new on the HBO show last night. Guys not graduating is not news. Guys getting paid is not news. Guys getting sex during recruiting visits is not news...that was going on in the 80s at Akron when I was in school. There was more indepth analysis related to corruption. It was funny to watch Rich Rod try to glorify the NCAA and what the schools are trying to do...clearly he wants to coach again and couldn't say anything to get in the way of that happening.

Billy Packer was 1950s guy. Sort of pathetic in a lot of ways.

Jason W. was the journalist laughing at 1950s guy.

The best guy on the show was the commissioner of the Ivy League. The only guy who talked about the future of big time college athletics beyond paying people. For a long time now, being the visionary the Great GP1 is, I've been telling you guys that there needs to be a separate level of DI sports where you have a certain number of teams at the top and they have their own league. Everyone said, "But GP1, that's a stupid idea. Nobody will do that. It will kill the NCAA." The Ivy League guy brought up this very point. He said there should be around 60 teams that are "just different" from the rest. Packer talked about it as well toward the end of the program. I told you guys this was being talked about and will be here before too long. If the NCAA loses the lawsuits they are in, it may come sooner than later.

The NCAA doesn't need to try to make the lower level conferences equal to the bigger conferences. They wouldn't know what to do once they got there. Another level is needed. Right now, UofA needs to be talking about what they will do when higher level of college football was created and we are not (we won't be) included. I know this is going to hurt the feelings of a lot of you, but hiding heads in the sand and pretending things are different than they really are got the MAC and worse yet, Akron, into a difficult situation. This situation is real and coming our direction. Clearly it is being talked about in other circles or the Ivy League Commissioner would not have brought it up. What do we do? I'd like to hear from some of the smarter posters on the board about it....the list includes, but is not limited to DrZ, Cap. K, Zip Watcher, ZipsWin!, JZ84, Z.I.P., InTheZone and where the heck has Z-P been. If you are a smart poster, but not listed, please comment. If you are a stupid poster, please don't post.

GP1,

After watching the Real Sports Overtime version, I can say that the time might be coming for "splitting" the conferences. No how they would do it would become the issue. Do you make it a split in the truest since of the word, or do you make it more of a English Premier League style?

If Jeffery Orleans(Former Ivy League Boss) and Billy Packer is saying the same thing, that Akron needs to do something real quick.

I actually have an idea, but it would not fly with anyone here on ZN.

[GP1]

After watching the Real Sports Overtime version, I can say that the time might be coming for "splitting" the conferences. No how they would do it would become the issue. Do you make it a split in the truest since of the word, or do you make it more of a English Premier League style?

If Jeffery Orleans(Former Ivy League Boss) and Billy Packer is saying the same thing, that Akron needs to do something real quick.

I think the idea is a lot further along than anyone wants to admit.

I learned four other things watching the Overtime segment. BTW, lance99 is correct, it was the best part of the discussion. The four things I learned were:

1. Jason Whitlock is a lot fatter on my computer screen than he is on my TV

2. The Ivy League Commissioner is a lot smarter than any NCAA league commissioner should be.

3. Billy Packer's head is melanoma central.

4. Rich Rodriguez is so stupid he can't pronounce simple words.

I actually think that if there was a split and we rightly ended up in the lower level, we would be perfectly situated to be successful at that level. We would have great facilities for that level and a good recruiting base. It might be the best thing that could happen to us.