Talking politics is for idiots.

[ZachTheZip]

There. Now I, and those who agree with me, can feel superior to both sides of that debate.

[g-mann17]

And being a nonsensical know nothing is even more so.

[GoZips]

Actually, discussing politics is for adults.From what I read on this board, most of you have a ways to go before reaching adulthood.Being a combat veteran over the age of 25 I would like to see the vote ONLY in the hands ofadults. That means, no kids. When I was young the minimum voting age was 21. The Foundersset the voting age at 25. PLUS, you had to be property owner. I think they had it right.Remember this .... black males of age were given the vote many years before any female wasenfranchised.Voting is privilege, not a right. Many, many people in this nation have a rather twisted andconfused understanding of rights, duties, privileges and obligations. Shame on us.

[Buckzip]

All hail Lord Obama.

[GoZips]

All hail Lord Obama.

SHAME. obama was elected President of the United States. He is not a dictator or kingeven if he wants to be.Bow only to the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Never bow to an evil man. And, I assure you, obama is an evil man.To call obama "lord" is disgusting.

[Dave in Green]

I wonder why my comment on political discussion was deleted by CK from the Ianello thread in the football forum while the other political comments were allowed to remain? Does the following really seem that radical compared with the political comments that were left standing in that thread?---------------------------------------------------

I compared the experience and philosophies of our coach to our president. And it was fair. And someone had to get defensive and play the "just blame it on Bush" card. Sorry guys. I had to respond.

This is indicative of why political discussion tends to veer out of control. Depending on one's political bias, one interprets and portrays events with a different spin. Each side considers its views to be "fair" and portrays the other side's views as "unreasonable." Neither side wants to yield to the other having the last word. And so, once started with what appears to one side as an innocent remark and the other side as a political zinger, political discussions tend to drag on and spiral down into ever greater meanness.Note that anyone who has surrendered their life to a political belief system may have difficulty objectively determining where the problem lies. When a political belief system is accepted with the same faith and fervor as a religious belief system, objective analysis tends to be inhibited. When there is an assumption that one side represents all the good forces of heaven and the other side represents all the evil forces of hell, reasonable discussion can no longer be conducted between the two sides.And that's why zerio tolerance is the best solution to political and religious discussions on forums that do not primarily exist for political or religious discussion.

[Buckzip]

All hail Lord Obama.

SHAME. obama was elected President of the United States. He is not a dictator or kingeven if he wants to be.Bow only to the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Never bow to an evil man. And, I assure you, obama is an evil man.To call obama "lord" is disgusting.

There needs to be a sarcasm font here. I was just acting like the illiterate, non working class of America that voted this POS into office. Oh, I forgot, It's Bush's fault. Just wanted to get that in there first.

[GoZips]

All hail Lord Obama.

SHAME. obama was elected President of the United States. He is not a dictator or kingeven if he wants to be.Bow only to the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Never bow to an evil man. And, I assure you, obama is an evil man.To call obama "lord" is disgusting.

There needs to be a sarcasm font here. I was just acting like the illiterate, non working class of America that voted this POS into office. Oh, I forgot, It's Bush's fault. Just wanted to get that in there first.

BuckZip, I agree. A sarcasm font would go a long way toward clarification.I see enough on Military Channel to realize that if ordinary Germans had stood up to Hilterin the beginning he never would had the power to nearly destroy the world.I am honest in my views. I dislike Mr. obama not because of who he is, but because of whathe espouses. He is virulently anti-life and seems to hate America. And, frankly, that scares me.

[Buckzip]

All hail Lord Obama.

SHAME. obama was elected President of the United States. He is not a dictator or kingeven if he wants to be.Bow only to the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Never bow to an evil man. And, I assure you, obama is an evil man.To call obama "lord" is disgusting.

There needs to be a sarcasm font here. I was just acting like the illiterate, non working class of America that voted this POS into office. Oh, I forgot, It's Bush's fault. Just wanted to get that in there first.

BuckZip, I agree. A sarcasm font would go a long way toward clarification.I see enough on Military Channel to realize that if ordinary Germans had stood up to Hilterin the beginning he never would had the power to nearly destroy the world.I am honest in my views. I dislike Mr. obama not because of who he is, but because of whathe espouses. He is virulently anti-life and seems to hate America. And, frankly, that scares me.

I agree. The guy doesn't like what America is and wants to destoy it. He has small minded people that will follow him no matter what. This has nothing to do with Dem or Pub. Obama is way past that.

[g-mann17]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

[Zipmeister]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

I know a lot of the folks here will be upset to learn you have no respect for them. Well things could be worse for them. They could wake up one morning to find that the office of the President was being occupied by an incompetent community organizer, and, oh never mind.

[zipdiehard]

and the best part is you can make non factual general statements about politicians and others will agree with you!

[Buckzip]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

I now will have to go evaluate my entire existence. g-mann has no respect for me. My entire life is now changed and I will have to go back to the beginning and start over after a complete evaluation.

[GoZips]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

I now will have to go evaluate my entire existence. g-mann has no respect for me. My entire life is now changed and I will have to go back to the beginning and start over after a complete evaluation.

+1

[yazan07]

Evil is a pretty subjective word don't you think? Who are any of you to decide what "evil" is? And you called the people who voted for Barack Obama illiterate? How can you say that? Am I illiterate? How does having a political view that is opposite yours equate to illiteracy? You are saying that far more than half of those Americans who voted in the 2008 presidential election are illiterate? That is quite a claim and I would bet you do not have the sources to back that up. "Illiteracy" and "don't agree with Buckzip" are not synonymous and it is wrong of you to make such a comment about your fellow Americans, calling them illiterate because they disagree with you about their choice for president.Furthermore I don't know how you can call the president a "piece of s***,"regardless of the president or your political affiliation. I would also like to hear your legitimate claim for how Barack Obama hates the United States and is making an effort to destroy it. This is the most advanced nation in the world. Do you realize how our political system works? How could a man who you claim is single handedly trying to destroy the United States obtain the highest office in the land? Some of you make ridiculous statements, you don't agree with a few of someone's opinions and you write him off as the anti-Christ. It's not even like the president himself makes legislation. I'm not sure why I am even trying to convince you guys of this, but there is no way you can really believe the president of the United States is "evil" Oh, and discussing politics is not stupid if the point isn't to insult people but rather to try to teach each other. Unfortunately there are too many people who make broad sweeping comments based on their black and white views of the world. There is no black and white, there is no good and evil, everything is based on perspective. If you are just going to say things that don't make sense, then please provide a disclaimer. If you are really trying to engage in a discussion, then really think about the legitimacy of what you are saying before you say it.

[GP1]

Obama isn't evil. He is actually a nice guy who is in over his head. He is a guy who came from humble beginnings and became the President of the United States. Whether or not you agree with his politics, that is the American dream.When Obama makes decisions and claims executive power, he is doing nothing more than what a long line of presidents have done since WWII. NAFTA was put on a fast track. It was completely against the Constitution. That was far worse than anything Obama has done. There was a time in this country when the legislative branch was the strongest branch of government. We need to get back to those days. It has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the citizens of this country not focusing on the real problems and taking responsibility for this country.Obama is an arm of corporate America and for the rich. Look at how well the stock market and the highest earners have done since he took office. Look at everyone else. Anyone who thinks Obama is anti-business can't read the NYSE ticker or pick up a WSJ and read it. The Dow is up 9.5% YTD and companies are making money hand over fist. Companies aren't spending money because there is nobody buying anything because our country is basically in bankruptcy as a result of our behavior over the past 40+ years. Obama has only been president for less than one term. He didn't cause these problems. Rush Limbaugh Republicans want to believe he is anti-business, but as a point of fact, it is the other way around. Rush Limbaugh Republicans are angry in a way I am not interested in being.As far as gay unions, abortions and any other issue that is really secondary to the problems facing America, I could care less where he stands. We have almost 10% unemployment and anyone who is worried about social issues right now doesn't understand the real problems facing America. We are a country of fools.

[g-mann17]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

I now will have to go evaluate my entire existence. g-mann has no respect for me. My entire life is now changed and I will have to go back to the beginning and start over after a complete evaluation.

+1

But yet you both had to comment about it....

[g-mann17]

Obama isn't evil. He is actually a nice guy who is in over his head. He is a guy who came from humble beginnings and became the President of the United States. Whether or not you agree with his politics, that is the American dream.When Obama makes decisions and claims executive power, he is doing nothing more than what a long line of presidents have done since WWII. NAFTA was put on a fast track. It was completely against the Constitution. That was far worse than anything Obama has done. There was a time in this country when the legislative branch was the strongest branch of government. We need to get back to those days. It has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the citizens of this country not focusing on the real problems and taking responsibility for this country.Obama is an arm of corporate America and for the rich. Look at how well the stock market and the highest earners have done since he took office. Look at everyone else. Anyone who thinks Obama is anti-business can't read the NYSE ticker or pick up a WSJ and read it. The Dow is up 9.5% YTD and companies are making money hand over fist. Companies aren't spending money because there is nobody buying anything because our country is basically in bankruptcy as a result of our behavior over the past 40+ years. Obama has only been president for less than one term. He didn't cause these problems. Rush Limbaugh Republicans want to believe he is anti-business, but as a point of fact, it is the other way around. Rush Limbaugh Republicans are angry in a way I am not interested in being.As far as gay unions, abortions and any other issue that is really secondary to the problems facing America, I could care less where he stands. We have almost 10% unemployment and anyone who is worried about social issues right now doesn't understand the real problems facing America. We are a country of fools.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. I am just curious how NAFTA was against the Constitution.

[Zip_ME87]

- The founding fathers rightfully had a concern about the federal government becoming too big and having too much control- Dwight Eisenhower also had excellent insight that we should beware of the military-industrial complex- Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it. (Look where the USSR is thanks to over-reliance on socialism and massive debt/over-spending; anti-trust laws and government oversight of areas such as the banking system were put into place for good reason.)(I could go on with this list, but I won't)Priorities in the US seem to be out of place...when we are more interested in paying huge salaries for entertainment (professional athletes, celebrities, and even discussing stipends for college athletes who are already on scholarship, etc.) than we are ensuring that we have a viable education system with good teachers who are properly compensated, and that we are developing technology for a viable economy. The answers don't lie in our government giving away more money that we don't have, but in Americans stepping up and contributing in areas that are productive and contribute to a healthy economy. We live in the greatest country in the world with vast resources at our disposal, but we fail to use them effectively.I hate discussing politics, too, but, I'm more disgusted with our leaders and media disregarding common sense and leading the general public away from it as well.

[GP1]

I am just curious how NAFTA was against the Constitution.

The Constitution requires 2/3 majority for treaties. FT skirts that requirement. It is an example of people believing something is true regardless of whether or not it is true. It doesn't have to be real, it just has to be believed to be real.It's sort of like how West Virginia became a state. WV became a state by the presidential decree of President Lincoln. A presidential decree is not one of the methods of becoming a state defined by the Constitution, yet everyone believes WV is a state. As a point of law, it isn't. After the Civil War, WV should have become part of VA again and we should have 49 states. It would have been a minor issue back then, unnoticed in today's world. I stayed the night one time in Charleston, WV and WV Public TV had a half hour special where they talked to a guy who wrote a book about this issue. He was a professor at WVU or Marshall or somewhere in WV.

[GP1]

Priorities in the US seem to be out of place...when we are more interested in paying huge salaries for entertainment (professional athletes, celebrities, and even discussing stipends for college athletes who are already on scholarship, etc.) I'm more disgusted with our leaders and media disregarding common sense and leading the general public away from it as well.

There is no such thing as common sense.If there was a common sense, people would know the difference between a celebrity making $60 million for a movie and a college athlete making a few hundred dollars.

[Zipmeister]

I am just curious how NAFTA was against the Constitution.

The Constitution requires 2/3 majority for treaties. FT skirts that requirement. It is an example of people believing something is true regardless of whether or not it is true. It doesn't have to be real, it just has to be believed to be real.It's sort of like how West Virginia became a state. WV became a state by the presidential decree of President Lincoln. A presidential decree is not one of the methods of becoming a state defined by the Constitution, yet everyone believes WV is a state. As a point of law, it isn't. After the Civil War, WV should have become part of VA again and we should have 49 states. It would have been a minor issue back then, unnoticed in today's world. I stayed the night one time in Charleston, WV and WV Public TV had a half hour special where they talked to a guy who wrote a book about this issue. He was a professor at WVU or Marshall or somewhere in WV.

If West Virginia and Virginia had been reunited after WWII, Obama would have only had to visit 56 states during the campaign instead of 57.

[g-mann17]

I am just curious how NAFTA was against the Constitution.

The Constitution requires 2/3 majority for treaties. FT skirts that requirement. It is an example of people believing something is true regardless of whether or not it is true. It doesn't have to be real, it just has to be believed to be real.It's sort of like how West Virginia became a state. WV became a state by the presidential decree of President Lincoln. A presidential decree is not one of the methods of becoming a state defined by the Constitution, yet everyone believes WV is a state. As a point of law, it isn't. After the Civil War, WV should have become part of VA again and we should have 49 states. It would have been a minor issue back then, unnoticed in today's world. I stayed the night one time in Charleston, WV and WV Public TV had a half hour special where they talked to a guy who wrote a book about this issue. He was a professor at WVU or Marshall or somewhere in WV.

If West Virginia and Virginia had been reunited after WWII, Obama would have only had to visit 56 states during the campaign instead of 57.

LOL but if Southern California gets its way, we're back to 57. Maybe he just had foresight.

[Buckzip]

I really hope everything here is supposed to be in sarcasm font. Otherwise I really have no respect for any of you other than Dave on here.

I now will have to go evaluate my entire existence. g-mann has no respect for me. My entire life is now changed and I will have to go back to the beginning and start over after a complete evaluation.

+1

But yet you both had to comment about it....

Of course I did. You made me aware of the badness in me. You informed me of the errors in my ways.I appreciate that.

[Zip_ME87]

Priorities in the US seem to be out of place...when we are more interested in paying huge salaries for entertainment (professional athletes, celebrities, and even discussing stipends for college athletes who are already on scholarship, etc.) I'm more disgusted with our leaders and media disregarding common sense and leading the general public away from it as well.

There is no such thing as common sense.If there was a common sense, people would know the difference between a celebrity making $60 million for a movie and a college athlete making a few hundred dollars.

Yes, thank you. The point I was trying to make, is that it's becoming even more ridiculous by considering giving stipends to athletes who get scholarships. How about the chemists, physicists, engineers, teachers, etc., who actually add to the economy. We do need a sarcasm font as suggested.