Offensive Systems

[Blue & Gold]

This one goes out to the former players on ZNO & those w/ more X's & O's knowledge than me.

What offense did Paul Winters run under LO's watch?

We were a rather legit, high-powered offense that often put up big numbers.

Did we simply have more talent under LO? Better QB play? Better OL?

And then what did Brookhart run? The spread, right? Or was it a special version of the spread? I know that JD seemed to be more into the newest gimmick O & D because he didn't think he could recruit well enough @ Akron to run the typical 4-3 D & pro-style O.

[ZachTheZip]

What offense did Paul Winters run under LO's watch?

I think we should hire him and find out.

[RACER]

nobody wanted winters on this board.everyone said we need a coach with H.C experience.

at least at the time winters did have a H.C. job.i know it wasn't d-1,but what did R.I. have?

we could of had fickell also.nobody has questioned how R.I. got the job.now T.W. has a terrible

team,and a empty new stadium.he dug himself in this hole.how he gets out of it i have no idea.

there is almost now way winters ,or fickell could have done a worse job.

[Lee Adams]

I am being repetitive but I am wondering whether you can run a 'pro style' offense at Akron and be successful. It seems to do that you have to be able to line up and be close to physically equal with the opponents. That doesn't seem to occur very often here. At least running a 'spread' or west coast or whatever,you can get away with having a decent QB,RB and WR or two and finesse your way around a game. At this point it does not appear Moore or even Nicely is suited to be a mostly drop back passer. And, the O-line can't consistently block those schemes.

[johnnyzip84]

nobody wanted winters on this board.everyone said we need a coach with H.C experience.

at least at the time winters did have a H.C. job.i know it wasn't d-1,but what did R.I. have?

we could of had fickell also.nobody has questioned how R.I. got the job.now T.W. has a terrible

team,and a empty new stadium.he dug himself in this hole.how he gets out of it i have no idea.

there is almost now way winters ,or fickell could have done a worse job.

This simply isn't true and HERE is the proof. You do realize there is a search capability at the top right on the screen to find old threads and such on here. Winters has his detractors on here for sure. But I am most certainly not one of them, and I'm not alone.

BTW, this is shaping up to be a watershed season for Paul and the long downtrodden Wayne St Warriors. He probably has his most talented team and the GLIAC title could very well be within reach. A D2 playoff berth is a good possibility regardless. A key game will be the Oct 15 encounter at Ashland, coached of course by Lee Owens. The Warriors started the season in fine fashion with a 69-24 thrashing of Urbana. They run a spread offense.

[Blue & Gold]

They run a spread offense.

Do they run the same offense he ran here? Whatever it was, it usually produced a lot of yards and points.

[johnnyzip84]

They run a spread offense.

Do they run the same offense he ran here? Whatever it was, it usually produced a lot of yards and points.

IIRC, the spread really wasn't around during those days. I believe the "official" offense under LO was the generic "multiple I" or something like that. I do recall a lot of I-formation. Rollouts were also common in the passing game. It was not a pro-set, although there were 4 and 5 wide sets added in Frye's later years. I agree, the offense was productive and had extremely good balance (run/pass).

[bobbyake]

iCantcoach's biggest problem is that he's stubborn. He'll stick to the game plan even if it's failing. Not being able to adapt and make the appropriate changes that are required to win is going to hurt us all year. Like I said before. If we lose to VMI and the rest of our OOC games, we should schedule 4 pay-days next year to help cover the cost of firing him.

[Dave in Green]

I am being repetitive but I am wondering whether you can run a 'pro style' offense at Akron and be successful. It seems to do that you have to be able to line up and be close to physically equal with the opponents. That doesn't seem to occur very often here. At least running a 'spread' or west coast or whatever,you can get away with having a decent QB,RB and WR or two and finesse your way around a game. At this point it does not appear Moore or even Nicely is suited to be a mostly drop back passer. And, the O-line can't consistently block those schemes.

Lee, you should keep repeating that question. GP1 and some other ex-players have also questioned this. It's really a valid question. You would hope there's a good, professional journalist out there somewhere who would ask Ianello this question. Maybe there's a good answer, maybe not.

The thing your question brings to mind for me is the fact that some pro teams are moving away from the traditional pro style offense and going to more of a West Coast offense. If the pros are moving away from the pro offense, how is it going to work for a team near the bottom of the college football food chain?

I only wish that more ZN.O posters would be asking and trying to answer questions like this as opposed to trying to find out what style underwear Ianello wears so they can trash it.

[ZachTheZip]

I only wish that more ZN.O posters would be asking and trying to answer questions like this as opposed to trying to find out what style underwear Ianello wears so they can trash it.

Weren't you watching the OSU game? His playbook doubles as his underwear, and that absolutely deserves trashing.

As far as his playcalling style, I've been questioning that since his original press conference when he was introduced. I got sick of everyone telling me to "wait and see" how that approach worked when I knew it was doomed from the start, so I moved on to other things.

[cornbread]

He is 1 - 7 in the MAC with the score of the last 3 games like so:

Akron 22, Buffalo 14

Miami (Ohio) 19, Akron 14

Ball State 37, Akron 30

66 points for to 70 points against. Competitive.

It is not like he has lost the team yet or anything after one game in the Shoe. Lets see how he starts again the MAC. I can't wait to see Moore and Chisholm play in conference.

[Roo]

I only wish that more ZN.O posters would be asking and trying to answer questions like this as opposed to trying to find out what style underwear Ianello wears so they can trash it.

, I've been questioning that since his original press conference when he was introduced. I got sick of everyone telling me to "wait and see" how that approach worked when I knew it was doomed from the start, so I moved on to other things.

Which shows your ignorance.

Foolish...

[Buckzip]

What offense did Paul Winters run under LO's watch?

I think we should hire him and find out.

Pass. I am all for taking a lower division coach that has had success. But Winters hasn't done much.

[Dr Z]

Akron 22, Buffalo 14

Miami (Ohio) 19, Akron 14

Ball State 37, Akron 30

66 points for to 70 points against. Competitive.

I can't wait to see Moore and Chisholm play in conference.

Good points. That picks me up a little. Thanks.

My first instinct is to say that Chisholm will be "more" successful, but we'll see.

[Lee Adams]

I am being repetitive but I am wondering whether you can run a 'pro style' offense at Akron and be successful. It seems to do that you have to be able to line up and be close to physically equal with the opponents. That doesn't seem to occur very often here. At least running a 'spread' or west coast or whatever,you can get away with having a decent QB,RB and WR or two and finesse your way around a game. At this point it does not appear Moore or even Nicely is suited to be a mostly drop back passer. And, the O-line can't consistently block those schemes.

Lee, you should keep repeating that question. GP1 and some other ex-players have also questioned this. It's really a valid question. You would hope there's a good, professional journalist out there somewhere who would ask Ianello this question. Maybe there's a good answer, maybe not.

The thing your question brings to mind for me is the fact that some pro teams are moving away from the traditional pro style offense and going to more of a West Coast offense. If the pros are moving away from the pro offense, how is it going to work for a team near the bottom of the college football food chain?

I only wish that more ZN.O posters would be asking and trying to answer questions like this as opposed to trying to find out what style underwear Ianello wears so they can trash it.

If Moore is going to be the QB for a while why not run some option and move the pocket more? He is obviously more mobile than Nicely. If he can throw while he is moving his feet it may take some pressure off the O-line to hold on to blocks. It takes away part of the field but it may also put some pressure on opposing D's.

[Doug Snyder]

Although I like the spread offense too, I am not opposed to using the pro/multiple set. I think for the pro set to be successful you need a mobile QB and/or a QB who is intelligent enough to make multiple reads and get the ball to the correct guy. I guess that is why I am more optimistic than most here. The coaching staff understands what is needed to be successful and went out and recruited guys that fit that system....CM8 fits the job description. He is mobile, fearless and willing to take some risks to move the ball. I like that he is a fiery competitor and willing to get into someone’s face. If he can perform up to the standards expected of him...others will step up their game as well.Call me foolish...but I think the Zips will compete this weekend against Temple and have a chance to pull off an upset win. It will come down to the last few minutes and I am hoping the defense will be the difference. I really don't want to rely on making a FG to win the game....do not yet have confidence in our kickers.

[MaxZIP]

Although I like the spread offense too, I am not opposed to using the pro/multiple set. I think for the pro set to be successful you need a mobile QB and/or a QB who is intelligent enough to make multiple reads and get the ball to the correct guy. I guess that is why I am more optimistic than most here. The coaching staff understands what is needed to be successful and went out and recruited guys that fit that system....CM8 fits the job description. He is mobile, fearless and willing to take some risks to move the ball. I like that he is a fiery competitor and willing to get into someone’s face. If he can perform up to the standards expected of him...others will step up their game as well.Call me foolish...but I think the Zips will compete this weekend against Temple and have a chance to pull off an upset win. It will come down to the last few minutes and I am hoping the defense will be the difference. I really don't want to rely on making a FG to win the game....do not yet have confidence in our kickers.

I hope you are right. I'll be there in section 208 as always.

[GP1]

The thing your question brings to mind for me is the fact that some pro teams are moving away from the traditional pro style offense and going to more of a West Coast offense. If the pros are moving away from the pro offense, how is it going to work for a team near the bottom of the college football food chain?

Pro teams are still running pro style offenses, it just looks different than it has in the past. The fullback is gone and one back is in place. A lot of the evolution of the pro game has to do with the size of the players. There players have gotten so big they just take up space on the line and there aren't holes the way they were thought of as holes 20 years ago. RBs run to the line and have to find an opening. If no opening, they have to run into the line and hope they come out the other side. The NFL would be better if they had a size limit on players and opened the running game back up.I like the spread offense in college (it wouldn't work in the NFL because the d-linemen are too fast and EVERYONE is good) because of what I saw Saturday at Panthers Stadium. ECU hung with South Carolina because they were able to take their best players and put them in a position to be successful. 45.5% of the players on offense are offensive linemen who will not touch the ball. It is hard as heck to find five good offensive linemen at any school, let along a MAC school, so you end up with some kids who need some help or support while on the field. The spread allows for this help much more than a pro set. ECU took some of their poorer performers and masked their deficiencies by getting them help or double teaming. I hate to say the spread is less of a "team game", but on many levels it is and I don't know what else to call it. An offense doesn't need as many good players in a spread as they do in a pro set. So getting back to the Zips. We have the same problems every school has only they are more pronounced right now. The spread helps cover those problems and that's why I have a philosophical difference with Coach I. If he can get the horses, he will prove me wrong. If not, another building process....