More Paul Winters

[zip37]

DII rankings I saw last nite, while watching the DII Game of the Week, Wayne State is ranked 8th with a 3-0 record.

[Buckzip]

Pass

[johnnyzip84]

Pass

Does that mean you pass on him as a head coach at this point in time? Or does that mean that, regardless of whatever he accomplishes outside of UA, you would NEVER want to see him back at his alma mater as a HC?

[skip-zip]

Pass

Me too.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Pass

Does that mean you pass on him as a head coach at this point in time? Or does that mean that, regardless of whatever he accomplishes outside of UA, you would NEVER want to see him back at his alma mater as a HC?

I have to believe that ship has sailed. If here were going to be hired, it would have been immediately after Brookhart. He's in his mid-50's now.

[Buckzip]

Pass

Does that mean you pass on him as a head coach at this point in time? Or does that mean that, regardless of whatever he accomplishes outside of UA, you would NEVER want to see him back at his alma mater as a HC?

I can't say never because I can't predict the future. However, he has only coached D2 and has been mediocre. Sure he has had some decent seasons, but not consistently. If he was a good HC he would have moved up past D2 by now.

[GP1]

Record

I'd like to add a different perspective. Paul has won 70% of his games the past three seasons (counting the three this season). If you have never been there, Wayne State is a dump and I can't believe he gets a decent player to go there, but he does. Wayne State was terrible before he walked in the door and he has done, what should be considered, wonders for the program. Would anyone here like to have a coach who has won 70% of his games the past 3 seasons?

He is probably on the "too old" side for a lot of ADs to look at him, but he would be a good fit for Akron. Everyone wants a guy who cares about Akron...well? Everyone wants a guy who understands how to recruit at bottom feeders...well? Everyone wants a guy to put some points on the board....well? Everyone wants a guy who has proven himself at different levels....well? Everyone wants a guy who can bring in better athletic talent....well?

I think his track record at Wayne State is good enough for where we need to go in the next few years and he would be a good fit. I don't care about his age. There needs to be an adult to step in and get the program going in the right direction. After that, we can get the Will Muschamp type who jumps into his players and all the other nonsense that is supposed to make up a "high energy coach". It's nauseating what passes for good coaching these days.

Paul has done everything we need to do. Next time a new coach is needed....

[ZachTheZip]

He hasn't been a consistent winner, but he has been a consistent improver. He took a whole bunch of nothing and made it something great. That's the kind of guy we need right now. If we hired a coach who has only proven that he can be successful when placed in an already successful situation, what happens when you give him a situation that isn't already successful?

[Lee Adams]

I guess the first thing you better figure out is if the present coach here is going to be leaving oh,within the next 18 months.

[Doug Snyder]

It would be nice to bring him here as OC under ICoach. We could see what he could do at this level. If ICoach moves on because he built a winner...Paul could be the successor. If ICoach is dumped because he could not produce a winner...Paul could be an interim coach and we could see if he was worth keeping. If he is here....there are way more options. And I don't think he is too old. Nobody thought the Ohio coach was too old.

[zip37]

Using Buckzip's logic, Larry Kheres is not a very good coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Captain Kangaroo]

Nobody thought the Ohio coach was too old.

I think most people thought Solich was too old (to be a successful HC after Nebraska). Or too drunk. It just happens that most people were wrong.

[skip-zip]

Pass

Does that mean you pass on him as a head coach at this point in time? Or does that mean that, regardless of whatever he accomplishes outside of UA, you would NEVER want to see him back at his alma mater as a HC?

I can't say never because I can't predict the future. However, he has only coached D2 and has been mediocre. Sure he has had some decent seasons, but not consistently. If he was a good HC he would have moved up past D2 by now.

That's exactly what I say too.

[Buckzip]

Using Buckzip's logic, Larry Kheres is not a very good coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shall we compare NC between the 2?

Nice of you to pick one of the points and ignore the other.

[RACER]

it's funny how many zips fans don't think winters could coach.if i am paul winters no way i would

even coach at akron if offered the job.since we have been d-1 it's been a graveyard for coaches.

he would be better off building his program up.wait for the right opportunity to come along.

right now we are probably the worst team in d-1.unless coach I starts winning. the next coach is going to have a hard for any decent high school player to come here.

[Big Zip]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

[Doug Snyder]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

Here are my thoughts:

1. We already have a head coach. Period.

2. It is unlikely that an AD not from Akron will take the risk to hire Winters to be HC

3. Current OC was set to follow Haywood to Pittsburgh. He seems like the most likely to leave. Winters would be a great replacement/upgrade after the season.

4. Sometimes in life you have to reprove yourself with new bosses.

I don't know if Latina is highly regarded by ICoach and I don't know if he is thinking of leaving. He already planned to take a different job. If I was TW...I would look at this option. Encourage ICoach to make the change as a possible long term succession plan. My guess is that ICoach already has a long term succession plan (if he is successful with the Zips) and that is the current QB coach. So...this probably is just my fantasy and a waste of time.

In my business life we have always encouraged our employees to portray happiness to customers. Truth be told...it is easier to hire happy people rather than to train someone to be happy. Same applies here....it is easier to create loyalty by hiring loyal people. Look at how that worked out in basketball. With that in mind...I would pursue Paul Winters. Let's be honest...we are not taking a risk with a program rich in tradition like OSU, Michigan or Alabama....or even Miami of Ohio. This would be an easy risk for me to take.

[skip-zip]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

I've already stated many times that I would absolutely PASS on Winters, and have stated why. And I was pretty much done with the topic again until I saw this.

So, because Keith was an "Akron Guy" and has done very well with the basketball program, we could predict Winters future success because he is an "Akron Guy" too?

First, there is no comparison between Keith and Winters, in many, many ways, including that one was a previous D-1A MAC head coach, and the other has D-II as his highest level of head coaching experience.

Secondly, I am completely puzzled as to why some people continue to use "He's an Akron Guy" as his big qualifying criteria. We've had this discussion many times among long-time friends and supporters. And I can tell you, the overwhelming consensus among the people I know is that we would want the best coach....period....whether he hails from Akron or from Alaska.

Maybe we should have passed on Caleb since he wasn't an "Akron Guy"

[Doug Snyder]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

I've already stated many times that I would absolutely PASS on Winters, and have stated why. And I was pretty much done with the topic again until I saw this.

So, because Keith was an "Akron Guy" and has done very well with the basketball program, we could predict Winters future success because he is an "Akron Guy" too?

First, there is no comparison between Keith and Winters, in many, many ways, including that one was a previous D-1A MAC head coach, and the other has D-II as his highest level of head coaching experience.

Secondly, I am completely puzzled as to why some people continue to use "He's an Akron Guy" as his big qualifying criteria. We've had this discussion many times among long-time friends and supporters. And I can tell you, the overwhelming consensus among the people I know is that we would want the best coach....period....whether he hails from Akron or from Alaska.

Maybe we should have passed on Caleb since he wasn't an "Akron Guy"

There is a difference. Soccer was already an elite program when Caleb took over. He took it to the next level.

1. Basketball was a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

2. Baseball is a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

3. Let's assume ICoach fails and must be replaced. I am all in favor of getting the best guy to do the job. But Bowden is a D1AA guy...so he does not impress me. Unless you can get a Solich type (Tressel??) than I am in favor of giving Paul Winters a shot before some untried assistant. But this is NOT going to happen...ICoach will succeed!!!! The power of positive thinking

[Big Zip]

@skip-zip maybe you should read the entire thread to understand why I put in the response he is an akron guy. Here is a clue when I put an @ followed by someone's screen name I am responding to something that person posted....my response about Winters being an Akron guy was a response to Racer saying Winters wouldn't come here.

What I'm puzzled by is why Winters doesn't ever get credit for the Zips offense in the past. My selling point back then to get people to the games with me was they have a high powered offense that is a blast to watch. Even when they were losing it was fun to watch the offense in the LO era.

[Dave in Green]

@Big Zip, using @ to respond to a previous poster is a great idea. I like this much better than having to scroll through mountains of quotes from previous posts to get to a response. There will still be times when it may be less confusing to quote one small part of a previous post you're directly responding to in order to avoid confusion. But using @ before the other poster's name will work in a lot of cases without having to include any quotes at all. Thanks for pointing this out.

[RACER]

big zip i wanted winters to get the job.all i am saying is if he builds top d-2 program he may not want

to even coach at akron.he could win a national championship where he is now,and at akron that will never happen. on top of that we have never had a winning coach since we went to d-1.we have been the graveyard of coaches,and a bottom feeder in d-1.look at the guy from mount union,and coach porter.they have had chances to take other jobs,stayed where they are.

[skip-zip]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

I've already stated many times that I would absolutely PASS on Winters, and have stated why. And I was pretty much done with the topic again until I saw this.

So, because Keith was an "Akron Guy" and has done very well with the basketball program, we could predict Winters future success because he is an "Akron Guy" too?

First, there is no comparison between Keith and Winters, in many, many ways, including that one was a previous D-1A MAC head coach, and the other has D-II as his highest level of head coaching experience.

Secondly, I am completely puzzled as to why some people continue to use "He's an Akron Guy" as his big qualifying criteria. We've had this discussion many times among long-time friends and supporters. And I can tell you, the overwhelming consensus among the people I know is that we would want the best coach....period....whether he hails from Akron or from Alaska.

Maybe we should have passed on Caleb since he wasn't an "Akron Guy"

There is a difference. Soccer was already an elite program when Caleb took over. He took it to the next level.

1. Basketball was a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

2. Baseball is a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

3. Let's assume ICoach fails and must be replaced. I am all in favor of getting the best guy to do the job. But Bowden is a D1AA guy...so he does not impress me. Unless you can get a Solich type (Tressel??) than I am in favor of giving Paul Winters a shot before some untried assistant. But this is NOT going to happen...ICoach will succeed!!!! The power of positive thinking

This is confusing, but I am just trying to understand why you'd state that you wouldn't take one guy because he is only a D-1AA coach, but you are in favor of the other guy who is coaching at a lower level than that?

And, since Bowden's name is not frequently mentioned, you may not know that he actually coached here at one time earlier in his career.

[Doug Snyder]

@Doug he proved what he could do at this level when he was offensive coordinator here under Owens. Look at the offense his team ran and the points his teams put up. It wasn't because of our offense that we lost when Owens was here -- out defensive was bad. Heck in 2003 our offense was ranked 11th nationally -- 36.2 a game. @Racer Winters is not just a guy who if offered the job would see it as a possible next step in his career...he is from Akron, went to St. V and was the 1980 Athlete of the Year at Akron. I think an opportunity to make Akron into a winner would be an appealing one two him. We've got another guy who was playing baseball when Winters was here coaching our basketball team.

I've already stated many times that I would absolutely PASS on Winters, and have stated why. And I was pretty much done with the topic again until I saw this.

So, because Keith was an "Akron Guy" and has done very well with the basketball program, we could predict Winters future success because he is an "Akron Guy" too?

First, there is no comparison between Keith and Winters, in many, many ways, including that one was a previous D-1A MAC head coach, and the other has D-II as his highest level of head coaching experience.

Secondly, I am completely puzzled as to why some people continue to use "He's an Akron Guy" as his big qualifying criteria. We've had this discussion many times among long-time friends and supporters. And I can tell you, the overwhelming consensus among the people I know is that we would want the best coach....period....whether he hails from Akron or from Alaska.

Maybe we should have passed on Caleb since he wasn't an "Akron Guy"

There is a difference. Soccer was already an elite program when Caleb took over. He took it to the next level.

1. Basketball was a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

2. Baseball is a program in decline and not winning. Easy risk to take by hiring an "Akron" guy.

3. Let's assume ICoach fails and must be replaced. I am all in favor of getting the best guy to do the job. But Bowden is a D1AA guy...so he does not impress me. Unless you can get a Solich type (Tressel??) than I am in favor of giving Paul Winters a shot before some untried assistant. But this is NOT going to happen...ICoach will succeed!!!! The power of positive thinking

This is confusing, but I am just trying to understand why you'd state that you wouldn't take one guy because he is only a D-1AA coach, but you are in favor of the other guy who is coaching at a lower level than that?

And, since Bowden's name is not frequently mentioned, you may not know that he actually coached here at one time earlier in his career.

Bowdens' name was thrown around a lot in our last search. I like him personally but do not think he is a great coach. There are 4 types of coaches to choose from.. 1. HC from lower levels. 2. Current assistant from BCS school 3. HC from lower level D! (not many lower though) 4. Older retread like Solich from D1. Really...I think all can be successful. I think my preference would be a HC from D1AA who spent some time as an assistant at a D1 school (I know...Bowden fits that description). But..hiring a successful coach at our level will be a risky decision. It is hard enough at schools like OSU and Michigan where they can choose from anyone. We have to take a risk on someone that has yet to prove anything at our level (or on someone that may be old and lost his edge).

My reasoning with Paul Winters is that he has been successful, been a OC at a D1 school, is a local guy and graduated from Akron. It is a risk...but a risk I would take.

[Lee Adams]

Here we go with the Ianello won't last stuff,again. Ianello will be here AT LEAST through next season! If that doesn't work, would it be worth ASKING Winters if he would come here? Of, course it would be worth it. He has a D-II program that Akron used to play,winning. He could put points on the board. Would the current AD go there? Somebody in that office tell us,please!