Early HC Scouting

[Captain Kangaroo]

Other schools in Division 1 football seem to find success without Jim Tressel. In fact, every successful D-1 program is enjoying it's success this season without Jim Tressel. Why can't the Zips identify such a coach?

[skip-zip]

Why is everyone so into Tressel? He's not the greatest coach. Plus he's on the staff with the Colts. Have you seen the style of conservative offense that was and is run at OSU? Talk about boring. Maybe he'll put the Zips on probabtion too. Get blown out by better teams. I want someone who will bring extra fire to the Zips. Look at what Oregon, Oklahoma State and Bosie State are doing. I'm even impressed with the emergence of teams like Clemson and Kansas State. Of course you still have the SEC big boys like LSU and Alabama.I see all these good college teams across the country and the Zips just depress me. Why can't Akron be like these teams? I hate to say it, but the rest of the MAC seems to be getting better and we're getting worse. At least Can't is at the bottom like we are. We can't beat EMU and we get blown out by Temple and OU. I want to see results, and I don't see them.

Thank you. Have some of you forgotten about OSWho 9 straight losses to the SEC? His teams getting dismantled in their last two appearances in national title games? His 1-5 record in his last 6 games against Top-5 rated teams? His SOS in the 60s last year, playing with some of the most talented players in the country, which still couldn't produce a national championship opportunity? Some of you need to go run around with some of those brainwashed OSWho fans who proclaim his greatness, despite what the facts show.

[Dave in Green]

Let's be fair here.

Why start now?

Sniping is not the answer.

Agreed. Asking for clarification is not sniping. Thanks for taking the time to expand on your original statement, which was not totally clear to me. As always, I appreciate your contributions to these forums.

[zipseuph]

Why is everyone so into Tressel? He's not the greatest coach. Plus he's on the staff with the Colts. Have you seen the style of conservative offense that was and is run at OSU? Talk about boring. Maybe he'll put the Zips on probabtion too. Get blown out by better teams. I want someone who will bring extra fire to the Zips. Look at what Oregon, Oklahoma State and Bosie State are doing. I'm even impressed with the emergence of teams like Clemson and Kansas State. Of course you still have the SEC big boys like LSU and Alabama.I see all these good college teams across the country and the Zips just depress me. Why can't Akron be like these teams? I hate to say it, but the rest of the MAC seems to be getting better and we're getting worse. At least Can't is at the bottom like we are. We can't beat EMU and we get blown out by Temple and OU. I want to see results, and I don't see them.

Thank you. Have some of you forgotten about OSWho 9 straight losses to the SEC? His teams getting dismantled in their last two appearances in national title games? His 1-5 record in his last 6 games against Top-5 rated teams? His SOS in the 60s last year, playing with some of the most talented players in the country, which still couldn't produce a national championship opportunity? Some of you need to go run around with some of those brainwashed OSWho fans who proclaim his greatness, despite what the facts show.

Have you forgotten about our Record against the entire BCS? Our team getting dismantled by EVERYONE? Our last appearance in a national ti..... you know what I can't even finish that statement. Our record against Top-5 rated teams? Our SOS in the God only know's what, playing with scraps that couldn't get in anywhere else in the country? I'd take ole Jimmy's shortcomings over this mess any day.We have a chance to go after an EXPERIENCED head coach that has coached ABOVE OUR LEVEL and has played in 3 NATIONAL TITLE GAMES! "Oh but he lost 2" shut up. he was there. What head coach have we ever had that could have been thrown into JT's situation and gotten as far as him? Some of you need to take an actual look at the FACTS. Official record 94-22 .810, six B10 championships, 6-4 bowl record, 4-3 in BCS bowls. When was the last time we even had a season that we finished above .500? And we're gonna sit here and say this guy isn't good enough? Some of you need to accept the fact that this guy is our best bet for better recruits, experience, ticket sales, exposure, and forward progression.

[GP1]

What head coach have we ever had that could have been thrown into JT's situation and gotten as far as him?

None of them had access to Tressel's payroll.

[zipseuph]

What head coach have we ever had that could have been thrown into JT's situation and gotten as far as him?

None of them had access to Tressel's payroll.

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

[johnnyzip84]

This is a little weird, but I nominated BOTH of these guys just a few years ago and they're still right where they were, perhaps even more successful than before.Craig BohlMark FarleyThe trouble with either of them is that they're both probably unwilling to leave unless it's a relatively high-profile FBS program. They're probably not making too much less than Ianello as it is.

[Lance1969]

Prior to Ohio State ,Tressel was a HEAD COACH that won Champinships.

[GP1]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

[ZachTheZip]

What's more relevant to us: JT's record against the SEC or his record against the MAC? We don't need him to go undefeated every year, we just need him to put us into a bowl game and compete every year for the division title in the worst division in the FBS.His name alone gets us recruits better than anyone in the MAC, enough to win most conference games even if his playcalling isn't that great. It gets the program money, both from increased ticket and TV revenue and from people coming out of the woodwork to donate.

[zipseuph]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

He did nothing that had an impact on the game it self. You make it sound like he was taping the other teams practice or stealing signs. His players were getting some extra benefits from people outside of OSU (some of it by selling their own stuff) and if you think that's a benefit that a kid can only get at OSU then you're kidding yourself.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Please stop it with the tired O$U debate, or posts will be removed.Thanks

[jjackson123]

Caleb Porter

[bobbyake]

Caleb Porter

I think Caleb Porter should be involved in the selection committee

[RowdyZip]

Caleb Porter

I think Caleb Porter should be involved in the selection committee

Is this a bait post? Love Porter and the soccer program, but he should have very little (if any) input on personnel decisions in other sports.

[bobbyake]

Caleb Porter

I think Caleb Porter should be involved in the selection committee

Is this a bait post? Love Porter and the soccer program, but he should have very little (if any) input on personnel decisions in other sports.

the man knows how to win. He might be able to find someone that understands how to win in football.

[GoZips]

Caleb Porter

I think Caleb Porter should be involved in the selection committee

Is this a bait post? Love Porter and the soccer program, but he should have very little (if any) input on personnel decisions in other sports.

the man knows how to win. He might be able to find someone that understands how to win in football.

Caleb Porter would be an excellent choice for being a member of a search committee.Porter understands what it takes to win and do it the right way. Now explain how this would not translate on to football.

[Dave in Green]

I don't see how Porter's input as part of a search committee could hurt in the search for a coach in any sport.

[skip-zip]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

Emphasis on the word NOTHING. We didn't even have grass practice fields back then, even though we played many opponents with grass fields. There had to be high schools that were better equipped than us to elevate to 1-A. I think we've only now begun to understand what Gerry accomplished with meager resources at the absolute infancy of our D-1A era.

[Z.I.P.]

Please stop it with the tired O$U debate, or posts will be removed.Thanks

Cap'n, Clarification plz: Are you going to remove this whole thread? If so...+++ (especially the refs to Mr SV!)

[GP1]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

Emphasis on the word NOTHING. We didn't even have grass practice fields back then, even though we played many opponents with grass fields. There had to be high schools that were better equipped than us to elevate to 1-A. I think we've only now begun to understand what Gerry accomplished with meager resources at the absolute infancy of our D-1A era.

Even worse, the University had no idea as to what to do. People can say what they want about Faust, but he was at ND. He saw what needed to be done...maybe he didn't know exactly how to get there, but he knew what it should look like.

[zipseuph]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

Emphasis on the word NOTHING. We didn't even have grass practice fields back then, even though we played many opponents with grass fields. There had to be high schools that were better equipped than us to elevate to 1-A. I think we've only now begun to understand what Gerry accomplished with meager resources at the absolute infancy of our D-1A era.

Even worse, the University had no idea as to what to do. People can say what they want about Faust, but he was at ND. He saw what needed to be done...maybe he didn't know exactly how to get there, but he knew what it should look like.

This is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Faust, had everything at ND that JT would have had at OSU. You know what he did? 30–26–1, never won more than 7 games, never played for a national championship, had 4 consecutive losses against Air Force, and led ND to their first losing season since 1963. The numbers speak for themselves folks. Given his past with UA (hell the man wrote the forward for OUR history book) and the fact that this would be his golden opportunity for redemption, I don't think this is such a pipe dream. If TW had half a brain in his head he would pursue this.

[GP1]

This is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Faust, had everything at ND that JT would have had at OSU. You know what he did? 30–26–1, never won more than 7 games, never played for a national championship, had 4 consecutive losses against Air Force, and led ND to their first losing season since 1963. The numbers speak for themselves folks. Given his past with UA (hell the man wrote the forward for OUR history book) and the fact that this would be his golden opportunity for redemption, I don't think this is such a pipe dream. If TW had half a brain in his head he would pursue this.

Faust was plucked from a high school program. ND played about a gazillion times more difficult schedule than tosu. It's easy to win against the MAC and the crap that is the Big Ten. Just show up with bought players, beat a crappy schedule and it becomes pretty easy to make a national championship game.This is a Zips board, not the Hire Jim Tressel board, so let's talk Zips. A better example of what Faust is, in relation to his time at ND, is how an AD can make a horrible mistake in hiring someone. It isn't Faust's fault ND hired him. It isn't Coach I's fault UofA hired him. The fault lies with the AD. Our current problems lie with our AD's decision making.Tressel will never be the coach at Akron.

[skip-zip]

Give it to them. Give any of our coaches everything he had and tell me if you honestly think they'd do anything close to what he's done.

On a MAC level, I believe if the University had ANY clue, Faust could have done much better than what everyone saw at the end at Akron. Faust had nothing and had the highest percentage winning season in school D-1A history.What we don't know about Tressel is if he can win without cheating. Anywhere he goes, the NCAA is going to watch him like a hawk...which is why he'll never coach again.For those of you who think Tressel would come to Akron....dream on. It's about the same chance of Urban Meyer going to tosu.

Emphasis on the word NOTHING. We didn't even have grass practice fields back then, even though we played many opponents with grass fields. There had to be high schools that were better equipped than us to elevate to 1-A. I think we've only now begun to understand what Gerry accomplished with meager resources at the absolute infancy of our D-1A era.

Even worse, the University had no idea as to what to do. People can say what they want about Faust, but he was at ND. He saw what needed to be done...maybe he didn't know exactly how to get there, but he knew what it should look like.

I realize that the number of disadvantages that Faust had to deal with go far beyond just not having grass practice fields. Thanks for pointing this out. I just didn't want to rehash things that have been said over the years in other threads. ESPN did a great documentary on Gerry at one time. I think it was pretty accurate, and pointed out that Gerry's time at ND was really a "learning on the job" situation. Fortunately for us, we got him after that 5 year baptism. I guess this all raises few questions. 1) Even though ICoach wasn't the HC at Notre Dame, did he learn enough and make enough connections during his time there to produce victories at Akron?2) Should we expect even more from him because we have so many more advantages that we didn't have back then?3) Is a coach who was previously a Head Coach at a major program (like Gerry) actually our best option? I think Ohio U would agree with such a conclusion.

[zipseuph]

And here we go.

This is a Zips board, not the Hire Jim Tressel board, so let's talk Zips.

Here's why this statement is ridiculous. This IS a topic on hiring a new HC. JT is a former Akron coach who is currently out a HC position. If it wasn't for your blind hatred of OSU you wouldn't be near as passionate about arguing against. Second of all don't give me this "oh this is a zips bored we should talk zips stuff." Guess what, I'M TALKING ABOUT HIRING A FORMER ZIPS ASSISTANT!

ND played about a gazillion times more difficult schedule than tosu.

Yeah, cause all those military academies are real ball busters.

It's easy to win against the MAC.

Yeah, and guess who has experience doing it?

and the crap that is the Big Ten.

Do you really want to compare who Big Ten teams beat VS. the MAC? Again, we're not talking about national championships here. We are talking about getting someone to make us competitive in THE MAC!

It isn't Faust's fault ND hired him. It isn't Coach I's fault UofA hired him.

Because obviously said AD's just showed up, threw their ass's in a car and said "You're with us now"

Our current problems lie with our AD's decision making.

This much we can agree on.

Tressel will never be the coach at Akron.

Again, if TW had half a brain in his head, this wouldn't be such a stretch. Further more, I can't bring myself to buy into such a firm opinion by someone with such blatantly biased blinders on.