akronzips71 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think shutting down Moultrie was far bigger than Reggie Sydney.Bost's two early fouls hampered him all night.Anyone who thinks Mississippi State is over rated has a screw loose.The Dawgs got beat by a better team that was better focused andbetter prepared. Akron spent two weeks of drills working on shuttingdown MSU's favorite attacks. (note: I could not post this before the game lest they get wind of it.)Depth, depth, depth ... and Demetrius Treadwell played his butt off.He is the tenth man in the rotation.We are the 90th best team in the NCAA div-1 ... a lot of you believe this.We could end this year in the top 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Districtballer Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think shutting down Moultrie was far bigger than Reggie Sydney.Bost's two early fouls hampered him all night.Anyone who thinks Mississippi State is over rated has a screw loose.The Dawgs got beat by a better team that was better focused andbetter prepared. Akron spent two weeks of drills working on shuttingdown MSU's favorite attacks. (note: I could not post this before the game lest they get wind of it.)Depth, depth, depth ... and Demetrius Treadwell played his butt off.He is the tenth man in the rotation.We are the 90th best team in the NCAA div-1 ... a lot of you believe this.I think Mississippi State as of right now is not a top-40 team. That was clear as soon as Eastern Kentucky (a 15-16 team last year) played them to a 10-point game. I have no reason to sugar-coat or exaggerate what I saw out there. Akron looked exceptional out there and I'm not taking anything away from the impressive showing tonight by the Zips. I do think Mississippi State will be exposed this year though as a pretender as they have been for the last couple of years. Just last year Florida Atlantic and Troy out of the Sun Belt beat Mississippi State at their place as well. Rider out of the MAAC beat them at their place the year before that. Most coaches would have their players flogged for the 'defense' that the Bulldogs played tonight. I credit a lot of the Zips execution in their offensive sets for that, but it was still putrid besides that. Most objective basketball viewers would tell you that Mississippi State did not look like a good basketball team at all tonight. Those same viewers would also tell you that Akron looked like a very good one. Akron impressed me a lot. Mississippi State was disappointing. That doesn't take away from Akron. I'll tell you right now I don't expect to beat Akron this year. You guys need to pack the JAR and support this squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Now here is what is really sad:If not for the $%#%#$#$ football "team", we could have had a chance to escape the MAC.NATIONAL CHAMPION Soccer team.Basketball team 20+ wins 6 straight years (one of 6 in the NCAA Div 1) and I think we ALL believe it will be 7 in a row. TWO Madness appearances AND an NIT win. FIVE STRAIGHT MAC championship appearances.If not for football we may have outgrown the MAC in major sports and could get a better conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I know we're all euphoric right now. But let's be realistic for a second. MSU's Renardo Sidney is rated as the best NBA prospect who was on that floor tonight. But the guy's a head case. He obviously did not do any training in the off-season. He was so out of shape and out of breath at times that the commentators noted that he was only able to be on the floor every third play or so.With a serious, in-shape Renardo Sidney, MSU would be a totally different team. A couple of the spin moves he made on Zeke were breathtaking for a 6-10, 280-pound player. If Sidney was serious about his game, this would have been a much different game.This in no way diminishes the importance of the Zips' win. The Zips knew their opponent's weaknesses and took advantage of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Now here is what is really sad:If not for the $%#%#$#$ football "team", we could have had a chance to escape the MAC.NATIONAL CHAMPION Soccer team.Basketball team 20+ wins 6 straight years (one of 6 in the NCAA Div 1) and I think we ALL believe it will be 7 in a row. TWO Madness appearances AND an NIT win. FIVE STRAIGHT MAC championship appearances.If not for football we may have outgrown the MAC in major sports and could get a better conference.Not to side track this thread, take away from the big W tonght or open up the huge can of worms that is conference re-allignment, but I've long felt the same way. Put a football team out there that is regularly winning 7-8+ games and build a decent arena for hoops and Akron is probably a legitimate target for a conference like the Big East right now. That said, those are two VERY big hinderences to our attractiveness to other conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Districtballer Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I know we're all euphoric right now. But let's be realistic for a second. MSU's Renardo Sidney is rated as the best NBA prospect who was on that floor tonight. But the guy's a head case. He obviously did not do any training in the off-season. He was so out of shape and out of breath at times that the commentators noted that he was only able to be on the floor every third play or so.With a serious, in-shape Renardo Sidney, MSU would be a totally different team. A couple of the spin moves he made on Zeke were breathtaking for a 6-10, 280-pound player. If Sidney was serious about his game, this would have been a much different game.This in no way diminishes the importance of the Zips' win. The Zips knew their opponent's weaknesses and took advantage of them. This is a great post. I think a lot of the preseason prognostications were based on Sidney turning the corner. It's clear he still hasn't yet. Anyone with half a brain could see the type of ridiculous potential that had Sidney rated as the a top 5 prospect in the country tonight in limited flashes. If he does turn the corner, this team is sure-fire top 40 and will be a great win for the Zips. I also fully agree with the last statement. Good teams know how to target weaknesses and exploit them. Akron was masterful tonight. VERY impressive. You guys have to be in the conversation among some of the elite mids this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPCODE Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 @ Districtballer ... nice job of minimizing our win tonight. I think most of zipsnation appreciates your commentary. I, for one, think you are very passive aggressive in your approach to our program. For others out there who think this is our best regular season victory ever, this is not the first time we beat Miss. St. during the regular season. Dambrot & Co. beat Miss. St. a few years back in a tourney in Puerto Rico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Nice officiating!! How many extra possessions did the refs give them and we still won. Call another foul and put them at the line why don't ya.....So much for the Medical Examiner (Quincy) coming off the bench. Score, score, score....Slice and dice (the opponent) as any ME would do. Start and play 35 minutes a game...Coming off the bench was last year....Finally, a Juby Johnson in a Zip uniform...Walsh is the real deal..So much for worrying about the back-up point guard. We have one. Now he and Mac need to shoot the rock..Hoops is back... What a great time of the year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The truth is that it was just one game. We played harder than the other team and we had more athletic players and that's why we won. For past teams, playing hard wouldn't be good enough to win this game, but this game our athleticism carried us. We saw some flashes of brilliance but not a complete game from anybody, and our team chemistry is still coming together. And it was still enough to control a game against a team that would contend for the MAC championship.As I'm sure Dambrot would tell you, we haven't put it all together yet, not even close. And that's an exciting thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Districtballer Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 @ Districtballer ... nice job of minimizing our win tonight. I think most of zipsnation appreciates your commentary. I, for one, think you are very passive aggressive in your approach to our program. For others out there who think this is our best regular season victory ever, this is not the first time we beat Miss. St. during the regular season. Dambrot & Co. beat Miss. St. a few years back in a tourney in Puerto Rico.Don't mean to come across that way. I really was VERY impressed with you guys. You will make a lot of noise playing the way you did tonight. I don't think there are many mid-major squads that can boast the type of athletes and depth 1-10 that you guys have. I really like this squad and as I said a few posts back, it looks like the best Akron squad I've seen since we started playing you in 2008. I think this is a team that can definitely make the Sweet 16 with the right match-ups. GoZips was right on after watching this team play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I don't want to look too far ahead myself, in spite of this well deserved victory. Valpo and Duquesne will both be nice tests in Valpo. We shouldn't necessarily assume anything solely based on this great start. But I sure like our prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I know we're all euphoric right now. But let's be realistic for a second. MSU's Renardo Sidney is rated as the best NBA prospect who was on that floor tonight. But the guy's a head case. He obviously did not do any training in the off-season. He was so out of shape and out of breath at times that the commentators noted that he was only able to be on the floor every third play or so.With a serious, in-shape Renardo Sidney, MSU would be a totally different team. A couple of the spin moves he made on Zeke were breathtaking for a 6-10, 280-pound player. If Sidney was serious about his game, this would have been a much different game.This in no way diminishes the importance of the Zips' win. The Zips knew their opponent's weaknesses and took advantage of them.That's called coaching.A Mississippi State poster wrote, "if we had their coach, we win". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Akron spent two weeks of drills working on shuttingdown MSU's favorite attacks. (note: I could not post this before the game lest they get wind of it.)lol really? What did MSU think we were doing at practice, playing tiddly winks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yes, while Demetrius might well be the 10th man at this point, do you still think Quincey is the 6th man?Are you serious? The sixth man is the third or fourth best playeron a team. You NEVER want a let down when you sub in.I have NEVER called Diggs the sixth best player on the team. Norhave I ever implyed that.My thoughts on playing Quincy as the sixth man is based on his excellent skill set. He can ably play three different positions.Toniight he showed poise and leadership which I very much like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 @ Districtballer ... nice job of minimizing our win tonight. I think most of zipsnation appreciates your commentary. I, for one, think you are very passive aggressive in your approach to our program. For others out there who think this is our best regular season victory ever, this is not the first time we beat Miss. St. during the regular season. Dambrot & Co. beat Miss. St. a few years back in a tourney in Puerto Rico.Take a little time to know Districtballer better. Read some of his posts from previous years. Of all the fans of other teams who post on ZN.o, he is the most educated and best contributor of interesting and useful commentary.Civility is not as common as it used to be, and some no longer recognize it when they see it, especially on sports forums. Don't confuse civility with passive-aggressive behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Akron spent two weeks of drills working on shuttingdown MSU's favorite attacks. (note: I could not post this before the game lest they get wind of it.)lol really? What did MSU think we were doing at practice, playing tiddly winks?Sorry if you do not "get it". Early season practices hinge onrunning fundemental drills. The Zips did that in August.More recently many of the drills and sets were specifically tailored to what Mississippi State runs on both their offenseand defense. They read our boards just like our people read theirs.Dambrot wanted this win and he got it. The Zips were great.Question for you zippy5, you think maybe MSU coacheslooked at Akron tapes and had an assistant coach at the JohnCarroll game. Okay, they had two coaches there that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Akron spent two weeks of drills working on shuttingdown MSU's favorite attacks. (note: I could not post this before the game lest they get wind of it.)lol really? What did MSU think we were doing at practice, playing tiddly winks?Sorry if you do not "get it". Early season practices hinge onrunning fundemental drills. The Zips did that in August.More recently many of the drills and sets were specifically tailored to what Mississippi State runs on both their offenseand defense. They read our boards just like our people read theirs.Dambrot wanted this win and he got it. The Zips were great.Question for you zippy5, you think maybe MSU coacheslooked at Akron tapes and had an assistant coach at the JohnCarroll game. Okay, they had two coaches there that night.I think MSU's coach is way more successful than KD so far, based on what they showed on screen. I also think that KD may have a legendary career by the time he is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksu sucks Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Man, some of you guys are goofballs.Anyway, good win! Don't overlook Hiram(Hiram? Really?)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 ESPN Video highlights (be sure to vote it up and leave a comment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Is Hiram a Div 1 school?Oops, Div IIIDoes this game even count?Sure would be embarrassing to lose. But then GARDNER-WEBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIPCODE Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 @DIG ... I think I have read all of Districtballers posts over the years. One that I remember most was an early post of his contention that we had a good program but not one at the "level" of VCU. It may not be and may not have been, but why come one Zipsnation to proclaim it. Don't confuse passive aggressive behavior with civility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Districtballer Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 @DIG ... I think I have read all of Districtballers posts over the years. One that I remember most was an early post of his contention that we had a good program but not one at the "level" of VCU. It may not be and may not have been, but why come one Zipsnation to proclaim it. Don't confuse passive aggressive behavior with civility.Don't blame you for remembering such a post and I can understand how that would color your interpretation of my 'approach'. First off that was almost 4 years ago and in the context of a fairly testy period when neither of our teams were familiar with each other. It was the first Bracketbuster matchup and we were hoping for a high-tier game to help us with an at-large possibility and Akron was a little bit disappointing for most of our fans given the fact that you guys were having a bit of a down season with Jeremiah Wood out with an injury at the time of the selection and on top of that on the road at a place that historically was tough to get a win in and Wood coming back just in time for the game. It was a nightmare for our at-large hopes. Your fans knew nothing about us and vice versa from our fans. I read many posts on here likening us to Austin Peay and the like. I'm sure I posted things to that effect, but it certainly wasn't to come here and 'proclaim' it as you say. There was a decent level of back and forth between GoZips who first came to our boards before Bracketbuster selection time campaigning for a VCU-Akron and took exception when our fans weren't thrilled with Akron being our opponent. I can totally understand that as no fan wants to hear another team discount their own. He then proceeded to lecture us about Akron and about how it was likely we wouldn't win any of our games against you guys. Basically talking trash to us on our own site. So my initial posts are coming with that context in mind. I was invited here with this post: http://boards.caazone.com/showthread.php?6...2409#post762409You can look at how I came onto this board initially with my first posts here: http://zipsnation.org/forums//index.php?s=...ost&p=55435 I was in fact very civil given the goading I got from GoZips on our boards until being flamed by some fans here who were ignorant about VCU. It is interesting reading these comments in hindsight. Calling my approach passive/aggressive is laughable now reading some of GoZips comments in this thread. Ignorance makes for fine comedy after the fact. It seems that most of your fans didn't think the RPI was a valid measure of a team's quality and while we were in the 50-60 range, we got paired with you guys I believe 20ish spots lower and then had to go to your place. When our fans grumbled, a lot of your fans couldn't see our point of view and just took it to be arrogance. Of course unfamiliarity with us also caused some disrespect from your end, and probably still does for a lot of you guys. I would be naive if I said the same isn't true for a number of VCU fans. Suffice to say it was a lot more complex than me coming here to proclaim one thing or another. In the days since our initial displeasure, I have done my best to represent our fan base and team in as respectful a manner as possible. I can understand how posts from nearly 4 years ago might color your perception, but I'd hope you can take the 4 years of posts following that initial contact as proof enough that I have no ill will towards Akron, especially now in light of Shaka sharing in some of the Zips' heritage. There's nothing to be gained from a discussion of the 'level' of a program at this point. All I will say is this year Akron looks to be quite good, regardless of whatever 'level' they may be classified at by those who don't know any better. We will have our hands full this year. Past achievements or perception will do nothing to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but the thing that impressed me the most about last night is that it appears that the new guys are quickly understanding that Akron Basketball is about playing DEFENSE. Beyond that, I think I am seeing what I expected this year. Quincy is turning his potential into reality. He may be ready to darn near carry this team. On several occassions we were able to get past defenders to the basket. When was the last time, if ever, that we could say that about an Akron team?I know we've beaten this Miss. State program before, but to start the season with so many new players and beat any SEC team on the road is a good thing. And we can keep debating about how good Miss. State will be this year, but it's still too early to tell. I'll hope that in the coming weeks we may find out that we beat a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Don't mean to come across that way.I enjoy reading your comments and opinions on the Zips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Don't mean to come across that way.I enjoy reading your comments and opinions on the Zips. +1 I'd be a little disappointed if you didn't come across as VCU-centric at times. Isn't that to be expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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