Tree Continued

[Derrt]

So did the bar or dj press charges?

[GoZips]

So did the bar or dj press charges?

I am no legal beagle. That said: Here in Ohio the reasons for either the DJ or the

bar pressing charges would be for damages such as broken furniture, medical

expenses. The police file charges such as disorderly conduct, public intoxication,

resisting arrest, underage drinking. Unfortunately, according to the news report

they did file charges.

Hopefully all of this comes out as minor issues. For me, and why I am upset with

Tree is because he put himself in harms way by being where he did not belong.

Is he allowed to go to a bar? Yes, of course, legally. But, that right is offset when he

becomes a member of the men's basketball team. Then he voluntarily puts himself

under the rules set down by the NCAA, the University and coach Dambrot.

The best outcome for all of us and Tree is a short suspension and a great career.

[scottditzen]

Just for clarification, Euclid is in no way shape or form "inner city Cleveland."

It is by every definition, a suburb. And actually a very pleasant one at that.

Yours truly, The Euclid Chamber of Commerce.

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Where is race an issue? What an ignorant comment. I'm pretty sure thuggs and druggies come in all shapes and colors.

THAT SIR was my point.

He said that if it was Egner those comments would not have been made. Classic race card.

As stated above, I meant it more as judging someone based on where they are from. I mentioned Josh Egner because Green, Ohio doesn't have a bad reputation. Inner-city Cleveland does. It angers me to see assumptions made about who Treadwell hangs out with because he's from inner-city Cleveland. Nothing more, nothing less. I know GoZips isn't a racist and wasn't calling him one.

[The Hip Zip]

I may be wrong but my guess is that we had better get used to playing without him. This is a pretty serious few offenses. He could do time, no?

[akronzips71]

I may be wrong but my guess is that we had better get used to playing without him. This is a pretty serious few offenses. He could do time, no?

NO

[Dave in Green]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

[Zipmeister]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

[The Hip Zip]

I was thinking that the resisting arrest charge might be more damaging to Tree than the others.

[Dave in Green]

There was no "resisting arrest" charge against Tree or anyone else.

There was an "obstructing official business" charge against another person, not Tree.

[Dave in Green]

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

But NBA players make more money than most Fortune 500 excecutives.

[RACER]

im all for giving tree a second chance if nothing comes out of the legal problems.if im kd im telling him one more mistake, and your gone though.he's a young kid who made a mistake,but you need to learn from them.there are to many kids who have to pay thier way through college; so he needs to understand the opportunity he has.

[akronzips71]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

[tpsjugglerdude]

Tree will be playing vs Middle Tennessee today.

[akzipper]

Tree will be playing vs Middle Tennessee today.

I heard this also, I guess it would be safe to say that is a good sign for his future? We've seen players get suspended for far less, so maybe in all reality the situation isn't as bad as it initially seemed.

[Blue & Gold]

Tree will be playing vs Middle Tennessee today.

Good news.

[GoZips]

Tree will be playing vs Middle Tennessee today.

I heard this also, I guess it would be safe to say that is a good sign for his future? We've seen players get suspended for far less, so maybe in all reality the situation isn't as bad as it initially seemed.

If what he takes away from this misadventure is that he is above it all, we still lose.

Akron and Tree both need for him to grow up and live by the rules designed to

protect him.

Here is to hoping that a lesson was learned and we hear no more of late night

adventures by Tree or any of his team mates.

[Blue & Gold]

Tree will be playing vs Middle Tennessee today.

I heard this also, I guess it would be safe to say that is a good sign for his future? We've seen players get suspended for far less, so maybe in all reality the situation isn't as bad as it initially seemed.

If what he takes away from this misadventure is that he is above it all, we still lose.

Akron and Tree both need for him to grow up and live by the rules designed to

protect him.

Here is to hoping that a lesson was learned and we hear no more of late night

adventures by Tree or any of his team mates.

+1.

As with AA, I hope, for Tree's sake (as well as the team's), that Tree is a bit embarrassed and rather contrite over letting the team, KD & himself down like this. Some embarrassment & contrition is usually a healthy sign that a lesson was learned.

Go get 'em, Tree! We love ya!

Oh, btw, I really do like Tree. Though I don't really know him, I introduced one of the middle school kids I work with to Tree @ the basketball tent before a football abomination & Tree was really cool to the kid. He seemed to enjoy the kids he was interacting w/. So, anyone who likes kids is cool in my book.

[RootforRoo44]

Oh, btw, I really do like Tree. Though I don't really know him, I introduced one of the middle school kids I work with to Tree @ the basketball tent before a football abomination & Tree was really cool to the kid.

That could be ANY game! lol

[Lion Girl]

He was out < a week? Hope we don't become Can't.

[Zipmeister]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits this this type of behavior IS in his background.

[Dave in Green]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits this this type of behavior IS in his background.

You don't pay close attention, do you? The only undeniable behavior I've acknowledged is that he was an underage person in a bar at 2 a.m. The rest is all allegation.

It's inappropriate for Zips fans to subject a Zips player to a kangaroo court.

[Zipmeister]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits this this type of behavior IS in his background.

You don't pay close attention, do you? The only undeniable behavior I've acknowledged is that he was an underage person in a bar at 2 a.m. The rest is all allegation.

It's inappropriate for Zips fans to subject a Zips player to a kangaroo court.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Please reread everything in this series of posts.

PLUS I will rewrite my last post to make it even MORE CLEAR.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits that this type of behavior IS in DAVE's background.

[Dave in Green]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits this this type of behavior IS in his background.

You don't pay close attention, do you? The only undeniable behavior I've acknowledged is that he was an underage person in a bar at 2 a.m. The rest is all allegation.

It's inappropriate for Zips fans to subject a Zips player to a kangaroo court.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Please reread everything in this series of posts.

PLUS I will rewrite my last post to make it even MORE CLEAR.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits that this type of behavior IS in DAVE's background.

You need work on your writing skills, then, as "his" is clearly ambiguous within the context that you used it.

In any case, I'm pleased to see that your focus is on me and not Tree. Tree doesn't need the added aggravation of Zips fans getting down on him, and I'm always flattered to receive attention, even if only from the occasional oddball fan.

[Zipmeister]

@The Hip Zip, assault can be a serious charge, depending on all the circumstances. In Ohio, felony assault can get you 2-8 years in prison. This was not even close to felony assault. It was charged as misdemeanor assault. In Ohio, the maximum penalty for misdemeanor assault is 6 months in jail, depending on the defendant's prior record and the severity of damages.

I don't want to get a ping-pong game going here of "this is serious," "this is not serious." But there are probably thousands of bar fights across America every late Saturday night/early Sunday morning that result in misdemeanor assault charges. When it's not a repeat offender and no one is hurt, most result in a fine and probation. I'd expect that to be the case here.

Honestly, I hope we can all just try to understand the facts as they come out, try to put it all in perspective, and not be too obsessed with the fact that a Zips player made a mistake. It was not a good thing to happen, but it was also not as bad as it could have been.

I think Tree is going to get a second chance with the team, and I think we should all support him in his efforts to do better.

I made similar mistakes as a kid and somehow survived to become a productive and responsible adult who only occasionally gets called out on ZN.o.

There are even Fortune 500 companies that will hire people with this kind of background, but normally they are limited to lower level positions.

Please cut it out. There is no background. He is not convicted of anything.

There is a recent case in NY you might have seen on Youtube. A worker in McDonalds beat the living hell out of two women. The media chose only to show the portion where he was beating them with a metal rod: one got a fractured skull.

The good old liberal media *forgot* to show the part where the two female savages jumped over the counter and attacked him! He was arrested and charged with many assault counts.

We got word yesterday that the Grand Jury REFUSED TO INDICT HIM FOR ANYTHING, and he was cut loose.

The point being, some folks here have him convicted and imprisoned based on what they read in the newspapers. Give it a rest and let the process play out.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits this this type of behavior IS in his background.

You don't pay close attention, do you? The only undeniable behavior I've acknowledged is that he was an underage person in a bar at 2 a.m. The rest is all allegation.

It's inappropriate for Zips fans to subject a Zips player to a kangaroo court.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Please reread everything in this series of posts.

PLUS I will rewrite my last post to make it even MORE CLEAR.

I beg to differ. If you carefully read his post (I have bolded and underlined the appropriate words) you will see that Dave admits that this type of behavior IS in DAVE's background.

You need work on your writing skills, then, as "his" is clearly ambiguous within the context that you used it.

In any case, I'm pleased to see that your focus is on me and not Tree. Tree doesn't need the added aggravation of Zips fans getting down on him, and I'm always flattered to receive attention, even if only from the occasional oddball fan.

I'm thinking your reading skills could use a tad more work than my writing skills.

The subject of the sentence with which you are having difficulty is "Dave," and (as is normally the case) the adjective "his" refers to the subject.

Subsequently, I modified the sentence, substituting the possessive noun "Dave's" for the adjective to make the sentence more understandable for anyone who doesn't pay close attention.

At no point in this dialog did I make any reference to any current student-athlete.

[Dave in Green]

@Zipmeister, you forget to account for context. Everyone else is focused on the thread subject. You were the only one focused on another poster. It's reasonable to expect in the context of this thread that your use of "his" was intended to reference my comments about Tree and not comments about me. No one other than you appears to be more interested in me than in Tree. I'm a very poor basketball player.

You might want to give some thought to the practice of turning thread focus away from the main subject and onto another poster. I've been told that I've been guilty of that, and that most ZN.o members find the practice annoying and don't appreciate it. So I'm working on changing my style to focus entirely on Zips sports subjects and not other posters.

With that in mind, this will be my last post responding to any of your references to me. That will eliminate half of the annoyance to other forums members. If you eliminate your half of the annoyance, other forum members would be twice as pleased.