GJGood Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipperRoo44 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Pretty much saying Akron sucks, and always will. He must think that the "Coach killers" should have given their coaches more time. In all honesty our coach was killed our program and not the other way around. He should check his facts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 They only have to look at the next destination of some of our recent coaches, who have pretty much disappeared. I'm seeing D-II schools, or a return to a position coaching job. Not very encouraging to someone who is looking to move forward in their career. With that said, we've now seen two high level coordinators take jobs in the last few days, at schools that I don't think should be regarded any more positively than Akron. Pelini has gone to a low level Sun Belt school. Arkansas OC goes to UAB. Were these guys on our radar? Maybe they just wanted to go where it doesn't snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Is that Coach Bud Foster or Commander William Riker? For a guy who has never had the guts to sit in the big chair, he has an interesting opinions about leading a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he's looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as "coach killers" right now. "Their administration is crazy," Foster said. "They've got false visions of grandeur." Is that Coach Bud Foster or Commander William Riker? For a guy who has never had the guts to sit in the big chair, he has an interesting opinions about leading a program. Aww, snap! We don't have false visions of grandeur. Most of us, at least at this point, simply want to be competitive in the MAC and be bowl eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Is that Coach Bud Foster or Commander William Riker? For a guy who has never had the guts to sit in the big chair, he has an interesting opinions about leading a program. Great Star Trek reference GP1, but I don't think that Beamer is calling him "Number One" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Was reading that late last night, and somehow must have blocked out the "coach killer" portion. I actually would agree with him if we were talking about a program that was getting mediocre or slightly below average results and makes a change. Maybe if he knew more about the Akron situation (i.e. facilities upgrade, local high school talent going elsewhere, 2-22 over two seasons, etc...) he'd not be as harsh in discussing Akron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Is that Coach Bud Foster or Commander William Riker? For a guy who has never had the guts to sit in the big chair, he has an interesting opinions about leading a program. Great Star Trek reference GP1, but I don't think that Beamer is calling him "Number One" Not after they left a "number two" on the field last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” It does,give more balance to what the actual perception of the Akron job is outside of Akron. It also reinforces the view that for a coach to take this job he will be looking at more than just the facility. He will be looking at who he has to work for(we have all been there),the quality of life in the area(he may have a wife and kids who will be uprooted),the weather(oops) as well as money. Kind of brings one back to earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” Pretty much saying Akron sucks, and always will. He must think that the "Coach killers" should have given their coaches more time. In all honesty our coach was killed our program and not the other way around. He should check his facts.... +1. This is ironic coming from a coach at a program that used to be a perennial doormat...before they got the right coach in Beamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” It does,give more balance to what the actual perception of the Akron job is outside of Akron. It also reinforces the view that for a coach to take this job he will be looking at more than just the facility. He will be looking at who he has to work for(we have all been there),the quality of life in the area(he may have a wife and kids who will be uprooted),the weather(oops) as well as money. Kind of brings one back to earth. Please do us all a favor and stop making sense...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiroad1 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” It does,give more balance to what the actual perception of the Akron job is outside of Akron. It also reinforces the view that for a coach to take this job he will be looking at more than just the facility. He will be looking at who he has to work for(we have all been there),the quality of life in the area(he may have a wife and kids who will be uprooted),the weather(oops) as well as money. Kind of brings one back to earth. Many people here still refuse to be realistic. They think people trying to interject reality are "thinking small". Heck, why not hire Les Miles, Nick Saban or Mike Gundy? I exaggerate, but Akron is almost certainly not going to give a coach a $1,000,000/year contract either. Where would the money come from? If UA can double from what we paid Ianello, that would get us to $700,000. Even at that we would not be able to land a "big name". However, IF we went to $700,000 our coach would be making almost 50% more than what the next closest MAC coach makes. Would I be against UA paying a coach that much? Heck no. But I find it hard to imagine UA is going to set a new standard for pay in the MAC. Again, where is the money going to come from, and could Dr. Proenza take the heat from the greater Akron community if he did that. Not all of the taxpayers supporting the university are ardent Zip football fans. Many would be screaming for his head, unless it was funded from football operations, which it can't. If we really talked to Tressel about the coaching position, the impact he could have made for the entire university would have been truly unique. Nobody else brings anything close in terms of total impact. In that case, there may have been a couple of wealthy benefactors who said they would have been willing to put up some serious money for Tressel only. My point is that simple math suggests UA (or any other MAC school) simply cannot fund a large coaching salary from football operations. Too few tickets sold, no rich league television contract, and limited donor money. If I set my goal to get Gisele Bundchen to marry me, I'm not being realistic and I am going to be disappointed. But, guess what. I can still marry a hot, smart, and sincere non-celebrity and have a really great life. Akron is not going to move into the upper echelon of college football with this hire, but we can find a coach who can make us one of the top teams in the MAC. That's a necessary start, and we can then build from there. Is that small thinking, or being realistic? I think we got drunk on that Tressel talk last week. We need to think as if we were still trying to get the AD to fire Ianello. Who did we think we could get as a coach two weeks ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I know there is a strong sentiment here that our next head coach should have experience as a head coach somewhere else, but I have also seen rumors that we are considering people serving as offensive or defensive coordinators. Personally I just don't want a guy who has never been above a position coach or recruiting coordinator. I found this article about one quite successful BCS school coordinator who tearns to run his own program. In the article, the Akron vacancy is named specifically. Shouldn't this guy should at least be a strong candidate with his experience if we don't see being a previous HC as a prerequisite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies...RJm8N_blog.html Did you actually read what Foster said about Akron? "On Monday, Foster offered a glimpse into what sort of head coaching gig he’s looking for, openly discussing the vacancies at Memphis and Akron. Both fired their coaches after just two seasons and the Hokies defensive coordinator labeled the two schools as “coach killers” right now. “Their administration is crazy,” Foster said. “They’ve got false visions of grandeur.” It does,give more balance to what the actual perception of the Akron job is outside of Akron. It also reinforces the view that for a coach to take this job he will be looking at more than just the facility. He will be looking at who he has to work for(we have all been there),the quality of life in the area(he may have a wife and kids who will be uprooted),the weather(oops) as well as money. Kind of brings one back to earth. Many people here still refuse to be realistic. They think people trying to interject reality are "thinking small". Heck, why not hire Les Miles, Nick Saban or Mike Gundy? I exaggerate, but Akron is almost certainly not going to give a coach a $1,000,000/year contract either. Where would the money come from? If UA can double from what we paid Ianello, that would get us to $700,000. Even at that we would not be able to land a "big name". However, IF we went to $700,000 our coach would be making almost 50% more than what the next closest MAC coach makes. Would I be against UA paying a coach that much? Heck no. But I find it hard to imagine UA is going to set a new standard for pay in the MAC. Again, where is the money going to come from, and could Dr. Proenza take the heat from the greater Akron community if he did that. Not all of the taxpayers supporting the university are ardent Zip football fans. Many would be screaming for his head, unless it was funded from football operations, which it can't. If we really talked to Tressel about the coaching position, the impact he could have made for the entire university would have been truly unique. Nobody else brings anything close in terms of total impact. In that case, there may have been a couple of wealthy benefactors who said they would have been willing to put up some serious money for Tressel only. My point is that simple math suggests UA (or any other MAC school) simply cannot fund a large coaching salary from football operations. Too few tickets sold, no rich league television contract, and limited donor money. If I set my goal to get Gisele Bundchen to marry me, I'm not being realistic and I am going to be disappointed. But, guess what. I can still marry a hot, smart, and sincere non-celebrity and have a really great life. Akron is not going to move into the upper echelon of college football with this hire, but we can find a coach who can make us one of the top teams in the MAC. That's a necessary start, and we can then build from there. Is that small thinking, or being realistic? I think we got drunk on that Tressel talk last week. We need to think as if we were still trying to get the AD to fire Ianello. Who did we think we could get as a coach two weeks ago? Ya know,never thought about it that way but hiring a coach IS kinda like getting married. You do the courtship thing and tie the knot. Evrybody is happy! After a few years somebody starts to realize it wasn't what they thought and wants out. Voila...divorce. Thats a great analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 So if Akron were to go the BCS or top mid-major coordinator route, who may be available? Does anyone have head coaching experience in either the FBS or FCS? Who would you call like to see as a candidate from the coordinator pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 So if Akron were to go the BCS or top mid-major coordinator route, who may be available? Does anyone have head coaching experience in either the FBS or FCS? Who would you all like to see as a candidate from the coordinator pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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