Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Mike does a nice job. He would really like to stay with the BJ full time. But, they keep cutting instead of adding. I would be absolutely jacked to see MB as the full-time Zips beat writer! He actually cares about both our fine city and university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 George Thomas should be fired and replaced by Beaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 George Thomas should be fired and replaced by Beaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Man so much activity in the last 12 hours on this board. Too bad it's all negative. When the going is bad, every one is looking for a scapegoat and TW is looking like the best option, right? We may all agree that hiring Ianello was a stupid move but that's it. That is TW's only mistake. Yes it is a bad one, not close to being comparable to shooting 45 kids, but it was a SINGLE bad decision. Driving to Detroit to offer a candidate a job shows dedication and respect to that candidate. There is nothing wrong with that. If the offer was really bad (which i doubt), and if PW had sincere intentions towards his alma matter, he could have countered with his own offer, but he didn't. He led the AD to wasting 2-3 weeks of very valuable time and then simply walked away. Can anyone explain that? If he turned the offer down to get back at TW for not giving him the job 2 years ago then, I am glad he did because we don't want some one with that childish mentality and immature personality coaching and teaching our young men. Rob Ianello aside, How many of you really blame TW for not giving PW the job 2 years ago? 2 days ago with all the success he achieved in the last two years, people were still questioning his GLIAC losing record and his DII background, and his overall 7 years record. Can any one really blame TW for not giving him the job 2 years ago? when his records were much worse and without any post season appearances? Also before some of you write that no body wants to work for this "buffoon", remember that Porter, KD, Kest, and other successful coaches are happy to work for this buffoon and some of them were re-signed by him. Let's keep things in perspective. The guy made a mistake, a big mistake, 2 years ago and he is trying to fix it. He fired his "buddy" and he offered the job to the "right" guy. PW turning down the job, the global warming, pearl harbor, and 9/11 are not all TW faults. And by the way, using youtube and twitter is a positive thing, for which TW should get credit, not the other way around. Derogatory attempts of calling him twitter Tom or youtube Tom are simply silly. Oh and those of you asking for Proenza's head... I don't know what to tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 It is sacrilege to call for Proenza's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Man so much activity in the last 12 hours on this board. Too bad it's all negative. When the going is bad, every one is looking for a scapegoat and TW is looking like the best option, right? We may all agree that hiring Ianello was a stupid move but that's it. That is TW's only mistake. Yes it is a bad one, not close to being comparable to shooting 45 kids, but it was a SINGLE bad decision. Driving to Detroit to offer a candidate a job shows dedication and respect to that candidate. There is nothing wrong with that. If the offer was really bad (which i doubt), and if PW had sincere intentions towards his alma matter, he could have countered with his own offer, but he didn't. He led the AD to wasting 2-3 weeks of very valuable time and then simply walked away. Can anyone explain that? If he turned the offer down to get back at TW for not giving him the job 2 years ago then, I am glad he did because we don't want some one with that childish mentality and immature personality coaching and teaching our young men. Rob Ianello aside, How many of you really blame TW for not giving PW the job 2 years ago? 2 days ago with all the success he achieved in the last two years, people were still questioning his GLIAC losing record and his DII background, and his overall 7 years record. Can any one really blame TW for not giving him the job 2 years ago? when his records were much worse and without any post season appearances? Also before some of you write that no body wants to work for this "buffoon", remember that Porter, KD, Kest, and other successful coaches are happy to work for this buffoon and some of them were re-signed by him. Let's keep things in perspective. The guy made a mistake, a big mistake, 2 years ago and he is trying to fix it. He fired his "buddy" and he offered the job to the "right" guy. PW turning down the job, the global warming, pearl harbor, and 9/11 are not all TW faults. And by the way, using youtube and twitter is a positive thing, for which TW should get credit, not the other way around. Derogatory attempts of calling him twitter Tom or youtube Tom are simply silly. Oh and those of you asking for Proenza's head... I don't know what to tell you Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 It is sacrilege to call for Proenza's head. +1. He's the best thing to happen to Akron since Seiberling invented rubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Man so much activity in the last 12 hours on this board. Too bad it's all negative. The negativity is only coming from from the football board. I know there are a lot of people here that live and die for Akron football, but for those that love all Akron sports, there's been a lot of positive news in the past 12 hours. Best way to cool down your is to spend time on the other boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 What an emotional jerk ride we've been on. To go, in three-weeks time, from rumors of Jim Tressel to the difficult reality of losing out on Paul Winters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Wayne State may not be the backwater everyone assumes it to be. This story shows the university affiliations of the owners of all 122 of the big four professional sports teams. Wayne State is tied with Yale, Penn, Dartmouth and NYU for sixth place. There may be a lot deeper pockets and support there than you think. Dan Gilbert of the Cavaliers, Lily Tomlin, Casey Kasem and Hugh Downs are all Wayne State grads. Might add a little to the explanation of why he decided to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Wayne State may not be the backwater everyone assumes it to be. This story shows the university affiliations of the owners of all 122 of the big four professional sports teams. Wayne State is tied with Yale, Penn, Dartmouth and NYU for sixth place. There may be a lot deeper pockets and support there than you think. Dan Gilbert of the Cavaliers, Lily Tomlin, Casey Kasem and Hugh Downs are all Wayne State grads. Might add a little to the explanation of why he decided to stay. Enrollment of +32,000 and an endowment of +$223 million is nothing to sneeze at. The football program has been in the toilet historically, but Wayne St has always had pretty decent academics. I think this is the result of a conscious decision to not put too much emphasis on sports, as evidenced by their leaving the MAC shortly after being one of its charter members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 George Thomas should be fired and replaced by Beaven. I don't know... I've read Beaven's movie reviews and they just don't match up with what Georgie can cut and paste from real critics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 George Thomas should be fired and replaced by Beaven. I don't know... I've read Beaven's movie reviews and they just don't match up with what Georgie can cut and paste from real critics. Rimshot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 George Thomas should be fired and replaced by Beaven. Not gonna happen. Union Seniority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 82 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Oh and those of you asking for Proenza's head... I don't know what to tell you I'm not ready to call for his head; he's done incredible things for UA. But with all due respect, he shouldn't be above criticism, either. The football program has been in utter free-fall since that MAC championship season. A $70 million investment is being frittered away. Blaming ADs is fine, but at some point the guy who hires the ADs needs to stand up and be counted, and exert the leadership required to get this frigging boat turned in the proper direction. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xu9697 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Proenza should not be fired. He has done an awesome job in many areas. HOWEVER, I mentioned this in another post: If Proenza hired a guy liked TW and just let him hire his buddy without a true interview process (as some have alluded to), then he does need to be questioned and scrutinized for signing off on that and now he MUST MAKE SURE the process is "kosher" this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Proenza should not be fired. He has done an awesome job in many areas. HOWEVER, I mentioned this in another post: If Proenza hired a guy liked TW and just let him hire his buddy without a true interview process (as some have alluded to), then he does need to be questioned and scrutinized for signing off on that and now he MUST MAKE SURE the process is "kosher" this time. In my mind, Proenza's annual outrageous "bonus" checks should be weighed against botched decisions like Tom Wistrcill and the resulting chaos. Luis's one personal poor decision cost UA millions of dollars. How is that worthy of a "bonus?" I mean, the guy is way overpaid to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziptrumpet87 Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Proenza should not be fired. He has done an awesome job in many areas. HOWEVER, I mentioned this in another post: If Proenza hired a guy liked TW and just let him hire his buddy without a true interview process (as some have alluded to), then he does need to be questioned and scrutinized for signing off on that and now he MUST MAKE SURE the process is "kosher" this time. In my mind, Proenza's annual outrageous "bonus" checks should be weighed against botched decisions like Tom Wistrcill and the resulting chaos. Luis's one personal poor decision cost UA millions of dollars. How is that worthy of a "bonus?" I mean, the guy is way overpaid to begin with. If Gordon Gee can get one after the scandal there, then why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Proenza should not be fired. He has done an awesome job in many areas. HOWEVER, I mentioned this in another post: If Proenza hired a guy liked TW and just let him hire his buddy without a true interview process (as some have alluded to), then he does need to be questioned and scrutinized for signing off on that and now he MUST MAKE SURE the process is "kosher" this time. In my mind, Proenza's annual outrageous "bonus" checks should be weighed against botched decisions like Tom Wistrcill and the resulting chaos. Luis's one personal poor decision cost UA millions of dollars. How is that worthy of a "bonus?" I mean, the guy is way overpaid to begin with. Compare what he makes to CEO's of a company UA's size. We're lucky to have him for what he makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 RE: Compare what he makes to CEO's of a company UA's size. We're lucky to have him for what he makes. Don't get me started on CEO's and their "bonuses." Sweet mother.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 It is called supply and demand. Companies and universities have tried and evolved over the years, if the university didn't think that LP was worth what he was making, they wouldn't have renewed his contracts and added his bonuses. If anyone can, or knows someone who can do the same job for less, I am sure the board of trustees will be happy to listen. Otherwise...yeah I don't want to say something inappropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipRoo Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 CBS president Les Moonves made a salary this year of $3.5 million. Then he was lavished with a $27.5 million bonus, $23-million in stock option awards, pension money, and $2.5-million reimbursement for the taxes he had to pay. Seriously, you think there's nothing wrong with CEO compensation? Then we live in two different worlds, and yours is bankrupting America, Ada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 RE: Compare what he makes to CEO's of a company UA's size. We're lucky to have him for what he makes. Don't get me started on CEO's and their "bonuses." Sweet mother.... You and I most likely share opposite views towards capitalism. Can you tell me a time in history when it was different? Things are better now than ever because capitalism gives you the ability to become the next Kevin Plank. Where there's a problem, there's an opportunity. Can you tell me a time in history when it was easier for a poor person to become rich? Today, anyone can become a noble if they work hard at it and make the right decisions in life. CEO's make their pay because of the responsibilities they take on are very demanding and highly accountable. Finding great leadership is rare and when you find it, you have to keep it. Proenza is a perfect example of a great leader Akron cannot afford to lose. He's very hard to replace. It's high treason as a Zip faithful to question Proenza's pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Which would rather pay: Bill Muse, Peggy Elliott, or Luis Proenza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyake Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 CBS president Les Moonves made a salary this year of $3.5 million. Then he was lavished with a $27.5 million bonus, $23-million in stock option awards, pension money, and $2.5-million reimbursement for the taxes he had to pay. Seriously, you think there's nothing wrong with CEO compensation? Then we live in two different worlds, and yours is bankrupting America, Ada. CBS has the highest rated shows on cable. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/ CBS is outperforming the market by 37% over the last year http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&...t=big&hl=en CBS shareholders don't have a problem with his compensation. It's not corporations that are bankrupting America, it's Washington and the stupid political games they play with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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