psc2009 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 To me, with the current format, it spells disaster to any non-BCS team. Would a Boise State or TCU have ever made these playoffs? I can't imagine so. With four teams going, it's going to be two SEC teams, one Big Ten or PAC 12 team and one Big 12 team, year in and year out. The whole thing seems like the worst money grab and moves the MAC into second tier in its own division. http://themacdaily.com/?p=978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 TCU probably would have made it in 2009 & 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 It is tough for me to think of a scenario that involves anyting other than... 2 SEC Teams 1 Big 12 Every other "Power" conference fighting over the last remaining spot. Let them prove me wrong. Those times that Boise and TCU got into a major bowl game under the BCS system will not be allowed to happen this time around with a "Selection Committee" doing the choosing. What a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I don't think it means anything for the MAC. We don't have a Boise or TCU "type" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 You could be right, Skip. The selection process may just turn out to be a complete farce and totally political. TCU was a top 4 ranked team in '09 & '10 under the BCS process at that time. That may not happen again going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 While I agree the committee would likely have left TCU behind, I also think a few obvious snubs once this 4-team playoff is in place will rally support for an 8-team playoff sooner than later. Many pundits agree this is the next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 While I agree the committee would likely have left TCU behind, I also think a few obvious snubs once this 4-team playoff is in place will rally support for an 8-team playoff sooner than later. Many pundits agree this is the next step. I agree. It is too many teams and will some day lead to a 32 team playoff if the morons who run the ncaa have anything to say about it. The ncaa basketball tournament was expanded because of "snubs", but let's not kid ourselves. It's all about money. Once the schools and ADs see how much money the can make and claim on their resumes, it will be expanded to allow teams that don't belong in the playoff. Say goodbye to interest in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 To me, with the current format, it spells disaster to any non-BCS team. Or, it could be the best thing to happen to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Say goodbye to interest in the regular season. why? Is the NFL regular season worthless in regards to post season? What about high school? This change is making it so that more of a "true" champion is crowned. Coincidence that it happens the offseason after 2 teams from the same conference play in a rematch in the national championship? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Playoff or no playoff Akron never had a chance to play in a title game anyway. I would love for them to grow to at least contend to be a top 25 ranked program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 You could be right, Skip. The selection process may just turn out to be a complete farce and totally political. TCU was a top 4 ranked team in '09 & '10 under the BCS process at that time. That may not happen again going forward. Especially with an organization that has a history of selecting the name team that will fill the most seats, when it comes down to an open choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I see the committee putting three BCS conference teams from three different conferences plus one wildcard. At least I hope that's how it plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Playoff or no playoff Akron never had a chance to play in a title game anyway. I would love for them to grow to at least contend to be a top 25 ranked program. Exactly, a playoff means nothing to a team that is averaging 1 win per season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 This change is making it so that more of a "true" champion is crowned. Winner of a tournament or the best team in the country? The ncaa does have a system that, for most teams, means if they lose a regular season game they are out of the championship running. What's the difference between that and a playoff? If they ncaa wants a playoff, fine. Make it a four team playoff. If someone gets left out who believes they should have belonged, that's the breaks. I don't believe for a second that an eight team playoff does anything other than make a bunch of money for the ncaa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Say goodbye to interest in the regular season. I completely disagree. If the selection committee takes approopriate steps to find the four best teams and strength of scheudule is a major determining factor, as it is supposed to be, then the regular season should be even more important. BSC title contending teams will have to change how they schedule non-conference games. The days of playing two MAC teams and and a 1-AA team should be over. In fact, even picking four non-conference games against easy BCS schools should be over. Teams will have schedule tougher against teams that there is at least a chance you might lose to. Now, in time, if SOS isn't really considered in picking the four best, then I do agree that interest in the regular season will fade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I completely disagree. If the selection committee takes approopriate steps to find the four best teams and strength of scheudule is a major determining factor, as it is supposed to be, then the regular season should be even more important. I never thought of this and it is a good point. I always thought the bcs had some sort of strength of schedule in their calculation and for the most part, I believe the BCS has gotten it right. Like all decisions though, it leaves some unintended consequences that could be a huge negative for non bcs schools some would say (I say there wouldn't be many). For example, the financial ramifications for non bcs schools would be huge. I hate the games, but we NEED the money. In many ways, the bcs schools need the home games because their "building processes" over the past few years have left many unable to support that process. I don't want to see an 8 team playoff. Four teams is good enough for me. They can play the first four New Years Day and a week or two later play the championship. Except for the "more is always better" crowd, most people would be happy with that. We need to restore some sanity to college athletics and limiting it to four is a good way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 If strength of schedule is a factor non-BCS schools are ALWAYS going to be left out. All you can hope for is to schedule four top BCS schools, and win out, and then you might be considered. Sad but true, a win over Indiana will always be worth more than a win over Toledo or Houston. No matter how bad Indiana sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 SOS is always a factor in BCS selections. All of the computer programs used by the BCS (Sagarin, etc.) include SOS algorithms. All of the BCS voters consider SOS to some degree, whether consciously or subconciously. None of that is going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Playoff or no playoff Akron never had a chance to play in a title game anyway. I would love for them to grow to at least contend to be a top 25 ranked program.What if Bobby is on the commitee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 SOS is always a factor in BCS selections. All of the computer programs used by the BCS (Sagarin, etc.) include SOS algorithms. All of the BCS voters consider SOS to some degree, whether consciously or subconciously. None of that is going to change. But wouldn't you agree that having a selection committee, as opposed to a predetermined point system, will increase the likelihood of subjectivity with who is chosen? And with a history of making choices based on a team's name and projected tickets sales, that can't be a good thing for a TCU or Boise, or any other team from a non-upper-echelon conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 But wouldn't you agree that having a selection committee, as opposed to a predetermined point system, I don't see any reason why a selection committee and a point system wouldn't be a bad choice. The ncaa basketball tournament does that informally. My beef with the basketball tournament committee is it is filled with the good old boy network....Solve that problem and I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I don't see any reason why a selection committee and a point system wouldn't be a bad choice. The ncaa basketball tournament does that informally. My beef with the basketball tournament committee is it is filled with the good old boy network....Solve that problem and I'm all for it. And you don't feel that any "good old boys" will be a part of the group deciding who gets the top 4 playoff spots for football? It's funny that you mention the basketball tournament. Because, I see some of the same "ignore the little guys" philosopy that we should expect in the upcoming football process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 And you don't feel that any "good old boys" will be a part of the group deciding who gets the top 4 playoff spots for football? It's funny that you mention the basketball tournament. Because, I see some of the same "ignore the little guys" philosopy that we should expect in the upcoming football process. The good old boys will be part of it. Like I said, find a way to solve that problem and I'm all for it. In my opinion, the BCS is good enough at picking the final two. Let the computers have two more shots at picking teams and four teams will be enough. People will always complain and they should be ignored. Americans have had enough of college football by January 1 (see decliniing TV ratings for BCS Championship). Football fans are ready for the NFL playoffs in January. Four teams is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 The good old boys will be part of it. Like I said, find a way to solve that problem and I'm all for it. In my opinion, the BCS is good enough at picking the final two. Let the computers have two more shots at picking teams and four teams will be enough. People will always complain and they should be ignored. Americans have had enough of college football by January 1 (see decliniing TV ratings for BCS Championship). Football fans are ready for the NFL playoffs in January. Four teams is enough. Don’t wait around too long for a computer-based, four-team playoff. I think it’s obvious why the selection committee approach won out. It is merely a way to placate the Big 10, who no doubt feared getting left out of the playoff far too often under an unbiased selection procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 ...find a way to solve that problem and I'm all for it.Part of the solution, IMO, would be to wait until week 5 or 6 before you start ranking teams. This is only a start, but I have never been for BS preseason rankings. Teams start off too high that stay in the top 25 just because they were "originally" ranked. Some teams never make the top 25 because of the early over-ranked teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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