ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Some legitimate questions for you: If the Zips braintrust decided to drop to FCS, it would be a nationwide story. --> I don't think that it would be a national story. The Zips are almost never the stuff of the national news, mostly because they are irrelevant in college football. Do you think Akron would be lauded or lampooned by talk radio, TV and print media? --> I believe that the media would yawn, just like they usually do when it comes to the Zips. Would it help or hurt recruiting? --> That's a good question. UA's recruiting is atrocious now. Would it drop off? Or might it remain roughly the same, being able to sell the potential of actually winning to recruits? Are the current recruits good enough to leave Akron and gain playing time at better programs, right now? Are you worried about an exodus of players who win one game each year? Do you think a drop-down would increase or decrease donations to the Z-Fund? --> I would guess that donations to the Z-Fund are miniscule at this point in time. The typical local fans and alumni who have been likely to support UA are likely to stay with them, regardless of which division this team plays in. The sports programs at UA are almost entirely supported by university subsidies, are they not? Until football generates significant revenue, does it really matter how much the tiny Z-Fund generates? How much does winning one game a year three years in a row generate? What FCS conference should the Zips apply to? --> The MVC. Yes, I understand that it is a power conference in FCS. So, the argument for staying in the MAC and continuing to lose, is that we will also lose in the MVC? That is utterly illogical. Historically, UA is a lower level program with a VERY local flavor. Read: Acme Zip Game. That's where this program belongs for the long term. Local fans, the people who will actually pay to watch games and buy gear, will support a winning program, and the "no name" teams in the MVC are no more "no name" than the teams in the MAC. Football nerds know that Ball State had a miracle year a while back. Most fans cannot and will not distinguish between a like Ball State and an FCS school. I will argue it here and now: those of you who insist that this program cling to "big time" football are spitting in the face of history. This is a local program, it belongs in a second tier. If you think that Ball State or Northern Illinois will outdraw YSU or another FCS school you are WRONG. Where should Akron park their other sports? --> I don't know, but the notion that the fortunes of the soccer team and the BB team must somehow be lashed to the lousy football team is nuts. The soccer program, the BB program, the track program, the softball program, hell most of the athletic programs (yes, including the rifle team) eclipsed the football program many years ago. If anything, the football program is an anchor around the rest of the programs, not the standard-bearer. It is the albatross hung on the neck of the university. Send football to the MVC, find a home at the highest level possible for the winning programs, and go from there. Many, many other universities do the same. Why not Akron? Why do you think the Zips would have greater success in FCS? --> I believe that UA is an easier sell as a "local" college football program. It's not the place where FBS recruits go. It's just not. It's where Paul Winters goes because nobody recruited him, and plays with a chip on his shoulder. It's where the "tweeners" go. It's the program that wins games in FCS, is fierce, and brings in fans, and always remembers that it is, at heart, a local program. It's the program that has a coach with a horrible comb-over, plaid sansabelt pants and uses horrible, corny cliches to pump up his players, and they love him. It focuses on the next-generation Acme Zip game and doesn't wonder why nobody wants to watch the Zips lose to Ball Freaking State or Central Freaking Michigan. It's a program that can actually maybe hold onto a coach, and is not just a horrible, grey breeding ground for the next "hot" FBS coach. That whole concept is so played. GET OFF OF THAT HAMSTER WHEEL U OF A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Now wait a minute. Isn't that the primary reason why these forums exist in the first place? Touche! It's still only 7:15P here. And, I'm on vacation time tomorrow. I'll play for hours to come. You guys need to run off to bed very soon, and go to work tomorrow. Ouch. That stung a little didn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Touche! It's still only 7:15P here. And, I'm on vacation time tomorrow. I'll play for hours to come. You guys need to run off to bed very soon, and go to work tomorrow. Ouch. That stung a little didn't it? Not at all, considering Im off for the next month and Ive been staying up til 4am every night and sleeping in until noon each day. Maybe if I decide to get a little motivated Ill play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Not at all, considering Im off for the next month and Ive been staying up til 4am every night and sleeping in until noon each day. Maybe if I decide to get a little motivated Ill play the game. Yeah, but I'm actually employed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Yeah, but I'm actually employed. As am I, in the summer. I make enough working 3 months a year to live comfortably the whole year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 As am I, in the summer. I make enough working 3 months a year to live comfortably the whole year. OK, so we have established that I am gainfully employed as a productive member of society. You are, most likely, a drug dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 OK, so we have established that I am gainfully employed as a productive member of society. You are, most likely, a drug dealer. LOL. Although I do live in Akron, no need to stereotype me as a drug dealer. If I were, why wouldnt I sell year round? Wow we are getting off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 LOL. Although I do live in Akron, no need to stereotype me as a drug dealer. If I were, why wouldnt I sell year round? Wow we are getting off topic. LOL indeed. You're alright LZip. We're both Zips fans, different opinions. It's all good. See you at the FCS Championship game a few years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 LOL indeed. You're alright LZip. We're both Zips fans, different opinions. It's all good. See you at the FCS Championship game a few years from now. All good indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 This is fun +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Did anyone hear that the MAC got seven teams into Bowl Games this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Did anyone hear that the MAC got seven teams into Bowl Games this year?I'm looking forward to the Beef 'O' Brady Bowl tomorrow. Reasons to Watch BSU vs CFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 How do you come to that conclusion? Akron Aeros Canton Invaders Cleveland Force Cleveland Caps Cleveland City Stars Cleveland Gladiators All set attendance records. Not everybody in NEOhio is infatuated with pretending to be top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Did anyone hear that the MAC got seven teams into Bowl Games this year? My issues with with the whole shootin' match also include the ridiculous bowl system, although I hate to include that here. The Onion could scarcely devise a more silly, ridiculous and watered down mess than a "bowl system" wherein 70 teams out of 119 make it to a bowl. Did you watch that horrible, nasty and depressing "game" at the blue turf in Boise last weekend? I can't even remember which essentially anonymous teams played in that one, but one of them was a MAC team (Toledo maybe) that got beaten by a bunch. The stands 1/3rd full. I love football, but not ANY football. Watching Toledo play in that game further reinforced the folly of Akron's 25-year struggle. Any poster on this board would be very happy to have Toledo's football program, but here's the thing: Toledo football is just as crappy, lousy and irrelevant as all of the other crappy programs subsisting in the bottom third of FBS. Being an FBS bottom dweller is the worst option I can imagine in college football. When I picture the winning, smaller, programs in the midwest (yes, including Mount Union), I picture the sun shining, fans and the team on a Saturday morning having a great time, winning some games and loving their coach and program. When I picture the MAC, or really any of the bottom third of FBS, I picture grey, rain, a few thousand lonely fans in too-large stadiums and everything uninspired and mediocre. And fans aspire to become Toledo, or some similar program? Akron is a small fish in a very big pond when it comes to college football. Let's just go to our smaller pond and have a blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Did anyone hear that the MAC got seven teams into Bowl Games this year? Apparently nobody wants to talk about that. Why aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Akron Aeros, Canton Invaders, Cleveland Force, Cleveland Caps, Cleveland City Stars, Cleveland Gladiators All set attendance records. Not everybody in NEOhio is infatuated with pretending to be top level.Not that this is the proper thread to discuss this, but I'm not seeing your correlation. By naming random area pro and minor league teams means that if the Zips move down a level they will be successful? Seems like you might be making a case against yourself. I've never even heard of the Stars or Caps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Apparently nobody wants to talk about that. Why aren't you? Thread is 5 pages long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Not that this is the proper thread to discuss this, but I'm not seeing your correlation. By naming random area pro and minor league teams means that if the Zips move down a level they will be successful? Seems like you might be making a case against yourself. I've never even heard of the Stars or Caps?? The correlation is, even though the Aeros aren't in MLB, the Gladiators aren't in the NFL, and the Invaders/Force/Crunch/Caps/City Stars were not in the Barklay's Premier League, they still drew well and broke attendance records. In the Force/Gladiators case they drew >18,000. The point is, this region will support a winning team. It doesn't have to be the top level of the sport, it just has to WIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Thread is 5 pages long. He was asking why nobody was talking about seven MAC teams getting into bowl games. Try to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 He was asking why nobody was talking about seven MAC teams getting into bowl games. Try to keep up. Wow you are right. Just realized this whole thread has been derailed by the Akron FBS vs FCS "debate" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Wow you are right. Just realized this whole thread has been derailed by the Akron FBS vs FCS "debate" it happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 My issues with with the whole shootin' match also include the ridiculous bowl system, although I hate to include that here. The Onion could scarcely devise a more silly, ridiculous and watered down mess than a "bowl system" wherein 70 teams out of 119 make it to a bowl. Did you watch that horrible, nasty and depressing "game" at the blue turf in Boise last weekend? I can't even remember which essentially anonymous teams played in that one, but one of them was a MAC team (Toledo maybe) that got beaten by a bunch. The stands 1/3rd full. I love football, but not ANY football. Watching Toledo play in that game further reinforced the folly of Akron's 25-year struggle. Any poster on this board would be very happy to have Toledo's football program, but here's the thing: Toledo football is just as crappy, lousy and irrelevant as all of the other crappy programs subsisting in the bottom third of FBS. Being an FBS bottom dweller is the worst option I can imagine in college football. When I picture the winning, smaller, programs in the midwest (yes, including Mount Union), I picture the sun shining, fans and the team on a Saturday morning having a great time, winning some games and loving their coach and program. When I picture the MAC, or really any of the bottom third of FBS, I picture grey, rain, a few thousand lonely fans in too-large stadiums and everything uninspired and mediocre. And fans aspire to become Toledo, or some similar program? Akron is a small fish in a very big pond when it comes to college football. Let's just go to our smaller pond and have a blast. Oh, FOR THE LOVE OF G**, PLEASE STOP!!! MAC Daily Points of FACT: Toledo was competitve until the 4'th quarter They lost their top defensive player on the FIRST play of the game Then they lost their star running back in the first quarter. Their opponent was #17 Utah State, not a lower tier fbs team like say #111 Kentucky, or #112 Illinois. Source - Congrove BTW - Following the game, USU's coach accepted Wisconsin's offer to lead their team Those are hard pills for any team to swallow. They have NOTHING to do with Akron's ability to compete in the MAC or d1a. If you hate this program and the MAC as much as you purport to and find it so dreadful to follow then move on. Your excessive use of irrelevant and poorly researched facts lends me to belive you know nothing of which you speak. If the pastures are so green in the lower fields, why are so many migrating this way? Temple, Cincy, and Memphis were not upper tier material. Then again, neither are Duke, WA St., IA St., Vandy, AZ, etc... The delineation isn't as percise as you imagine it to be. Back to the Topic at hand: Yes the MAC deserved its 7 bowl bids. No a 6-7 team didn't deserve a bowl game over LA Tech, simply because the Sun Bowl couldn't wait for an answer. Yes, it truely is all about money. But NO i don't wish to see a LOSING team in a Bowl Game. I'd rather watch two good teams like Utah State and Toledo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Where should Akron park their other sports? --> I don't know, but the notion that the fortunes of the soccer team and the BB team must somehow be lashed to the lousy football team is nuts. The soccer program, the BB program, the track program, the softball program, hell most of the athletic programs (yes, including the rifle team) eclipsed the football program many years ago. If anything, the football program is an anchor around the rest of the programs, not the standard-bearer. It is the albatross hung on the neck of the university. Send football to the MVC, find a home at the highest level possible for the winning programs, and go from there. Many, many other universities do the same. Why not Akron? Atlantic Ten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 It's the program that has a coach with a horrible comb-over, plaid sansabelt pants and uses horrible, corny cliches to pump up his players, and they love him. We are NOT bring back Jim Dennsion!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 @Wally B, thanks for the good perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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