ditchrider1 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Seems like a golden opportunity to try to weasel our way into a better conference for Basketball? If we make a small run in the tourney do you think we could make a play to get in to the A10? Also, with a potential new arena on the rise, it seems like it would be a nice fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomzip Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Seems like a golden opportunity to try to weasel our way into a better conference for Basketball? If we make a small run in the tourney do you think we could make a play to get in to the A10? Also, with a potential new arena on the rise, it seems like it would be a nice fit We have to win a game in the post season before ever thinking about leaving the MAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Seems like a golden opportunity to try to weasel our way into a better conference for Basketball? If we make a small run in the tourney do you think we could make a play to get in to the A10? Also, with a potential new arena on the rise, it seems like it would be a nice fit Just... no. This would bring down all other sports aside from basketball. Stay where we are... build a winner here. Short-sighted moves like these will hurt more than they help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchrider1 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just... no. This would bring down all other sports aside from basketball. Stay where we are... build a winner here. Short-sighted moves like these will hurt more than they help. Even just a Basketball only move? Of course football may be able to actually compete in FCS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap95@zips.uakron.edu Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Not like having split membership killed the big east or annything. I would be a possibility, if the arena, and if we win tonight. ten years ago, killing off the football program would have been plausible, but not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontrealExposloveZippy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Creighton (Missouri Valley) is heading to the Big East as well-- Unless we're heading to the Big 10 or some other "power" conference staying in the MAC is probably wise for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchrider1 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Creighton (Missouri Valley) is heading to the Big East as well-- Unless we're heading to the Big 10 or some other "power" conference staying in the MAC is probably wise for now Do you think we would actually jump from the MAC to the Big 10 or another Power conference? Butler went from the Horizon to the A10 and now to the Big East. This is a stepping stone if we ever hope to move to a Big conference. The A10 is a great league, probably the best non power conference along with the MVC. The A10 got 5 bids to the tourney...MAC is stuck at 1 bid. I think it would be foolish to at least not explore it. What is the tagline for the basketball program, Think Bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Do you think we would actually jump from the MAC to the Big 10 or another Power conference? Butler went from the Horizon to the A10 and now to the Big East. This is a stepping stone if we ever hope to move to a Big conference. The A10 is a great league, probably the best non power conference along with the MVC. The A10 got 5 bids to the tourney...MAC is stuck at 1 bid. I think it would be foolish to at least not explore it. What is the tagline for the basketball program, Think Bigger? I am 100% on board with this move. Jumping to a 5 bid league would double or triple our prestige, plus it would quintuple our chances of getting an at large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontrealExposloveZippy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Do you think we would actually jump from the MAC to the Big 10 or another Power conference? Butler went from the Horizon to the A10 and now to the Big East. This is a stepping stone if we ever hope to move to a Big conference. The A10 is a great league, probably the best non power conference along with the MVC. The A10 got 5 bids to the tourney...MAC is stuck at 1 bid. I think it would be foolish to at least not explore it. What is the tagline for the basketball program, Think Bigger? Well since there is no A10 football it would just be the bball program to the A10, so that would be an upgrade from MAC basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Well since there is no A10 football it would just be the bball program to the A10, so that would be an upgrade from MAC basketball. It wouldn't just be the BBall team, though. It would be every sport except football, and football would be kicked out of the MAC. Also keep in mind that with most of the A-10's strength leaving, it might not look like such a great move in the near future. They're about to get downgraded back to MAC-level since Temple, Xavier, and Butler are all gone and other schools will likely end up leaving to the Big East by next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontrealExposloveZippy Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 It wouldn't just be the BBall team, though. It would be every sport except football, and football would be kicked out of the MAC. Also keep in mind that with most of the A-10's strength leaving, it might not look like such a great move in the near future. They're about to get downgraded back to MAC-level since Temple, Xavier, and Butler are all gone and other schools will likely end up leaving to the Big East by next year. Why would football get kicked out of the MAC? UMASS plays football in the MAC and basketball in the A-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksu sucks Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 This is the last thing on my mind right now, but... I'm 100% behind putting hoops first when it comes to conference realignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Anybody watching us get our tails handed to us by VCU right now that still wants to move to the A-10 is nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odhgibo Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Anybody watching us get our tails handed to us by VCU right now that still wants to move to the A-10 is nuts. Why not get out heads handed to us (for awhile) in a good conference than let the overall weakness of the MAC fool people into thinking that a good record equals an elite team? Zips not ready to compete at the very highest level, but what you're seeing here is not what VCU did for 95% of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGood Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I don't think we should go anywhere just yet. I see MAC basketball starting to improve as the West is starting to put a little more into their programs again. The time to move would be after the MAC improves in basketball and after the Zips football program sees more success. At that time I'd say we could move "up" to a conference in all sports. Right now I'd stand pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Anybody watching us get our tails handed to us by VCU right now that still wants to move to the A-10 is nuts. The A10 is a highly, highly competitive league. We saw it last night. The Zips would have to play the likes of St. Louis, VCU, Butler, etc. on a regular basis. The MAC isn't close to that league in terms of quality of teams. We could compete well, but we don't have the almost guaranteed game in the conference championship like we do in the MAC and post season play wouldn't be guaranteed by winning the regular season title. If you want better competition, the A10 is the place for you. If you want an easy trip in the NCAA Tournament and watching the Zips destroy a terrible league, stay in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 GP1 I have to agree with you. If there is room in the A10 to move this team and the opportunity exists do it now. We've tried to lead with the football team forever and it hasn't worked. You finally have a coach in place that can continue to raise the level of play and a better conference would help him with recruiting. The reputation of the MAC took a serious hit last night and the ability to get national recognition no matter what our record next year is going to be next to impossible. The residual effects of this loss will ruminate in the heads of the media and basketball fans. Nobody cares that we weren't at full strength because I don't think they actually heard that as loud as they hear Akron 19 game winning streak. Now they all wonder who the hell we played during that streak. The texts and comments I've already gotten from my friends shows me that people simply don't believe this team was any good -- and they told me so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 GP1 I have to agree with you. If there is room in the A10 to move this team and the opportunity exists do it now. We've tried to lead with the football team forever and it hasn't worked. I don't know if it is a basketball or football discussion. It can be both. Why couldn't we do A10 for men's basketball and MAC for everything else? UMASS does it. Why couldn't we do the same thing? The discussion I don't like is, "Butler and VCU may leave, so let's join." We should want to join because Butler and VCU are in the league, not because we want them gone and we think it would be easier to win. We already get enough easy wins in the MAC and shouldn't want to duplicate that in the A10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchrider1 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 ABORT!!! ABORT!!!! STAY IN THE MAC!!! Just kidding...I would still take a conference move in order to get better over the long haul. Playing in the MAC will not prepare you for a deep tournament run. I know Can't State made a run and OU did as well but in the grand scheme of things I think playing the best will make you the best and will build a consistently good team that can make the tourney every year, and without the auto-bid. Also, VCU was out of their minds. They would have beaten 90% of the teams in the tournament last night the way they played. Akron looked like a different team and not a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I (mistakenly) thought the A-10 was losing it's luster when Xavier and Butler decided to join the Big East. But barely. It's still going to be a great basketball conference. In looking at the A-10 website: Charlotte Dayton Duquesne Fordham George Washington LaSalle UMass Rhode Island Richmond St. Bonnaventure St. Joseph St. Louis VCU They've got 13 schools. That's quite a few already. But after last night (and the results from our previous two trips to the NCAA) I'm thinking dominating the MAC is simply fool's gold. I'd be for a move to the A-10, even if it meant getting smacked around for a few years. But I'm depressed right now. Idk. Was last night a fluke? Or was last night a call for a change in perspective? [edit:] UMass is the only school with D-1 football. I know Charlotte is trying to go D-1 (right?). How does Charlotte plan on handling their football situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I don't know if it is a basketball or football discussion. It can be both. Why couldn't we do A10 for men's basketball and MAC for everything else? UMASS does it. Why couldn't we do the same thing? I wasn't trying to make it a basketball/football thing but I was trying to make the point that if we are waiting on someone to ask us to join their conference with our sorry football program we will be waiting awhile. We need to strike while the iron is hot with basketball and find us a better place to play. I suspect the MAC wouldn't allow us to stay like UMASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Was last night a fluke? Or was last night a call for a change in perspective? [edit:] UMass is the only school with D-1 football. I know Charlotte is trying to go D-1 (right?). How does Charlotte plan on handling their football situation? It was both a fluke and a call for a change in perspective. With Diggs, AA and no flu, the VCU is a better team than Akron in terms of player talent and coaching. They win last night no matter what. Coach Smart is a better coach than Dambrot not because he beat him last night, but because he is. He gets better players, his game performance is better, he is better at developing players, he is better in big games and he produces results in the post season. That's not opinion, it's fact. I've told you guys before I go to some UNCC games every year and it is a very, very good league. If all you go to are MAC games, you begin to think all of D-1 basketball is like the MAC. Most of it is better. A move to the A10 COULD turn Akron into a UNCC. Good program in a good league that wins more than it loses. Has a good coach that is not the best coach in his league. A team that may only make the NCAA Tournament once every 10 years or so, but will make the NIT a lot. There are a lot of Dambrots in the A10. There are few like Smart and the guy from Butler. That's a perspective fans should look at when thinking about a move to the A10. Allow me to look into my crystal ball to see the future of UNCC football. They joined one of the worse I-AA leagues and will proceed to win five games against I-AA teams over the next 2-3 years. People will scream the only way to improve the program is to join the ACC and upgrade the stadium to 40,000 seats. Year four they will go 3-9 and fans will think the only thing they need is a coaching "upgrade" to really get to 6-6 and move up to the ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odhgibo Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 I (mistakenly) thought the A-10 was losing it's luster when Xavier and Butler decided to join the Big East. But barely. It's still going to be a great basketball conference. In looking at the A-10 website: Charlotte Dayton Duquesne Fordham George Washington LaSalle UMass Rhode Island Richmond St. Bonaventure St. Joseph St. Louis VCU They've got 13 schools. Charlotte is heading to C-USA. Absent some further change(s), the A10 will have 12 schools next year. With Butler and Xavier leaving, it will lose it's status as an "on the cusp" league. It's still miles ahead of the MAC. Probably 3 invitations each year, plus 4-5 teams in other tournaments. Provides exposure all along the East Coast plus Pittsburgh and St. Louis. I'm all for it, even though it would be an eye opening slap in the face to those used to MAC competition. Alas, the university president still seems to think that football rules the roost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akzipper Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 People are missing the point. A10 does not have football, so there is absolutely no reason to even consider it. Not to mention they will be left with only VCU, St.Louis and 11 mediocre teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odhgibo Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 People are missing the point. A10 does not have football, so there is absolutely no reason to even consider it. Not to mention they will be left with only VCU, St.Louis and 11 mediocre teams. Yeah, LaSalle looked very mediocre today. VCU and SLU are miles better than any other MAC team. The East Coast schools vary from year-to-year, but they occasionally have very good teams. When's the last time EMU or NIU ever had even a decent team? When Earl Boykins played? Football is the albatross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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